Windows Vista, Yes it sucks ass Options

[soulshadow]

I recently bought a HP Laptop at Best buy and it came with Vista. Well all I can say is that Vista really sucks ass. I have a USB to serial adapter to run my MegaSquirt and apparently the dumb ass OS Does not know how to reconigze the device even when the drivers are made for Vista. It keeps saying Drivers not found. Thanks microsoft for making one of the dumbest and 5hittest OS on the market today. I even tried to install Windows XP only to find out that HP blocked out any window OS below Vista.
Gosh I hate this freakin Laptop and I can't return it too since I need it for school.

[mmmchocolate]

hahahahaahahahahahahaah that sucks something hairy! i got myself a nice XP you should never buy laptops from best buy, they dont know anything there and you get a piece of crap! now you cant get rid of it....lol

[lagos]

I keep hearing that there are a lot of issues with those usb to serial cables in general, even under XP.
Also, how can HP block you from installing another OS?

[95CelicaST]

HP can't block you from reloading another OS, because it's all handled outside of the OS. I think that PEBKAC.


Try Windows 7.

[Legit94GT]

Thats funny cause i bought an HP with vista on it and have had ZERO problems with connecting anything, or running anything...

[Hanyo]

I keep hearing that there are a lot of issues with those usb to serial cables in general, even under XP.
Also, how can HP block you from installing another OS?

hp can't stop you from downgrading to XP, but they might not make drivers for certain parts of the laptop (ex: bluetooth driver or sound card driver, ect)




soulshadow,

here is a solution, you send me your laptop and I will send you my leet IBM T43 thinkpad with windows XP.

try VPC and with xp

http://lifehacker.com/software/windows/gee...l-pc-238071.php

[forkee]

i have vists ultimate edition and love it. never ran into any issues

[Culpable04]

I have vista on my Laptop ( acer aspire ) installed it on my mom's PC, and my sister PC and the issues they have run into are related to PEBKAC, none windows related. and I haven't had any issues with it either. it gets annoying asking for permission before you do ANYTHING, but besides that, I have no complains.

[forkee]

fyi you can turn off those nagging auto permission asking windows

go to control panel, user accounts, turn user account control (UAC) on or off, then uncheck the box

[97celiman]

Thats funny cause i bought an HP with vista on it and have had ZERO problems with connecting anything, or running anything...

same the new hp's couldnt tell yuo what kind, although my buddy has vista and hes had a sh@tload of probs with wireless stuff, it does have directx10 which is nice...so i hear

[Kwanza26]

Direct X 10 is BS... can hardly tell the difference between 9 and 10. My only problem with Vista... very slow at basic copy/paste functions... along with folder access. AND... the way Vista handles sound with audiodg (windows audio) is crap crap crap. Randomly surges and takes up 99% cpu processing during gaming... which pretty much freezes the system for several seconds. Overall, I would rate 6.5 out of 10.

[hurley97]

I have Vista Ultimate and I had problems connecting to Manny's e-Manage Ultimate (that's why I didn't get it) and I read somewhere about downloading some drivers so windows would recognize certain USB devices and I tried a few things but nothing seemed to work, but I'm not great with computers so maybe that's my problem.

I did read that some people have absolutely no problems with Vista, some people can only connect to certain things, and some people have problems connecting everything without finding the drivers elsewhere. I couldn't connect to the e-Manage but my AEM F/IC and Innovate wideband connect just fine so I guess that's ok. I don't play games on my laptop so I really don't notice anything beings really slow.

[cnelson]

I run Vista Prem. x64bit with 4gb of ram. Not slow on anything.. I can have, iTunes, Photoshop, Aim, Firefox, and Limewire running without getting slow.

Also, best buy was a bad choice IMO. They just went under, so I doubt you'll be able to get much help from them.

To install XP;

Buy XP
Format the drive
Install XP
(pray all the drivers work)

Good luck.

EDIT:: As for laptops I've had a number of friends tell me vista sucks. Perhaps I'm just luck I got myself a nice desktop, and kept my old HP tablet laptop running, windows xp tablet pc edition. you wanna talk about slow? go get that crap... ahhh.

This post has been edited by cnelson: Jan 18, 2009 - 11:56 AM

[lagos]

Direct X 10 is BS... can hardly tell the difference between 9 and 10. My only problem with Vista... very slow at basic copy/paste functions... along with folder access. AND... the way Vista handles sound with audiodg (windows audio) is crap crap crap. Randomly surges and takes up 99% cpu processing during gaming... which pretty much freezes the system for several seconds. Overall, I would rate 6.5 out of 10.

Windows 7 fixes a lot of that stuff.
Its all the benefits of Vista, with the speed of XP.

It's also worth pointing out that a lot of people HATED XP when it first came out. It was slower then 98se and had more compatibility problems. It wasn't until service pack2 came out that people accepted it.


This post has been edited by lagos: Jan 18, 2009 - 12:27 PM

[soulshadow]

I fixed most of my problems now with running a Virtual Machine within Vista. Pretty much XP inside Vista. So far I had to download a registry cleaner to get rid of junk that Vista collected. Seems like Vista likes to hog junk and keep it in one pile. This HP laptop does indeed not allow you to install XP and even if you found a way there is no drivers to support it. I bought it at BestBuy because they offered a 18Month interest free on it. Specs:
4.5lbs
6 cell Battery for 4 hrs
Geforce 9300GS 512 mb video card
4gb ram
300Gb Hdd
fingerprint,DVD,remote.
Centrino 2.0 Ghz
I bought it mostly to carry around and use for gaming during the free time from class.

[Celiracer18]

From what I've seen and experienced with Vista is that 95% of the "problems/errors" are completely PEBKAC. Ive been running it for what seems like an eternity now with ZERO real problems. I'm running it on my home server and ran it for over 2000 hours completely stable. It's the lack of interest in the actual use of a computer now that has given Vista the bad stigma that it has. about 99% of the users dont even know why vista "uses" the amount of ram that it does. Which brings me to the point of people putting it on old/wimpy machines that shouldnt be running it.

IMO Vista is great but people are too damn lazy to work things out like they did in XP. Anyways enough with my banter, all of the vista haters will get what they want when they release the reshelled version also named windows 7. (okay not really reshelled but basically the same thing, I mean even on the early versions of 7 they still had vista written everywhere)

[forkee]

(okay not really reshelled but basically the same thing, I mean even on the early versions of 7 they still had vista written everywhere)

exactly. thats why i was disappointed. they had completely copy and pasted the help files from vista straight to 7 without even changing a word. it literally had vista written all over.

whether or not the difference is night and day, its the same OS but with a different look and a few tweaks. you want night and day, compare vista to XP. at least thats a total rewrite.

http://i.gizmodo.com/5138232/windows-xp-vi...ore-performance

The interesting bit is that, using the testing workloads they came up with, they were able to find that Vista and 7 were almost exactly the same, barring some tweaks, and very different from XP under the hood.

This post has been edited by forkee: Jan 25, 2009 - 11:08 AM

[lagos]

(okay not really reshelled but basically the same thing, I mean even on the early versions of 7 they still had vista written everywhere)

exactly. thats why i was disappointed. they had completely copy and pasted the help files from vista straight to 7 without even changing a word. it literally had vista written all over.

This is what happens with every single development version of windows! XP had windows2000 help files and branding all over it. Win98 had windows 95 stuff in it. This is all part of the development, and exactly the reason why companies dont want users to have these alpha or beta versions of the software.

[forkee]

yea but vista had nothing from xp. nothing that i can recall from the vista beta

[97lestyousay]

I hate the constant update crap. There is also no driver for my old sony dscs-75 camera that works with vista.

[blu94gt]

Which brings me to the point of people putting it on old/wimpy machines that shouldnt be running it.

Amen brother. Pretty much everyone I've talked to that complains about Vista, when I go to their computer to help them out it turns out they've got some POS machine that they expect to run everything perfectly.

Even a lot of these new laptops and pre-built computers being sold with Vista on them aren't powerful enough to run the operating system at full capacity: I.E. with the aero interface, etc, much less expect to be able to run games well. Hell the computer I built only scores 5.0/5.9 on the little Vista test scale, but runs 64-bit Vista with no problems.

[garin]

windows sucks, windows vista sucks harder, buy a mac.

[blu94gt]

windows sucks, windows vista sucks harder, buy a mac.

Got a Macbook, wouldn't have any other laptop. But I need my Windows PC for Microsoft Visual Studio, programming stuff, etc. Plus it runs a lot more games lol

[97celiman]

haha ya my dad is now looking into a macbook from his almost 6 yr old dell laptop with 512mb of ram...lol

i dont use my computer for anything cept internet, microsoft office (i installed 03 and got rid of 07), itunes, thats about it. i am not computer savvy i dont think i use and OS to its full potential. so vista is not a huge deal to me, i see its faults but i dont have to deal with them. makes me mad microsoft is coming out with 7 like 3 months after i got this though. o well

[trdproven]

From my professional IT experience, Vista is a resource hog, driver compatibility issues, application compatibility issues (NEED VISTA VERSIONS), and many bugs. XP is still the top choice.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Feb 3, 2009 - 7:30 AM

[trdproven]

windows sucks, windows vista sucks harder, buy a mac.

Problems with MACs, although very good computers, is that you do not have a wide range compatibility of devices, applications, and choices period. They are not for the typical home user but specialized for that matter. Linux, PC based OS is similar, I've tried at least 5 different Linux distros and application support and selection is just terrible. I love the security and stability of MACs but love the versatility of Windows. To me it doesn't matter, I can fix PCs all day long not afraid of anything blue screens, error beeps, etc. Funny thing is now that MACs are running Intel chips right?

[soulshadow]

Macs are easy to learn, but I hate the fact that its not organized the way you want it to be. Plus I hate the stupid 1 click button. I need my 2nd click and many of my *cough programs dont work on a mac.

[95CelicaST]

Which brings me to the point of people putting it on old/wimpy machines that shouldnt be running it.

Amen brother. Pretty much everyone I've talked to that complains about Vista, when I go to their computer to help them out it turns out they've got some POS machine that they expect to run everything perfectly.

Even a lot of these new laptops and pre-built computers being sold with Vista on them aren't powerful enough to run the operating system at full capacity: I.E. with the aero interface, etc, much less expect to be able to run games well. Hell the computer I built only scores 5.0/5.9 on the little Vista test scale, but runs 64-bit Vista with no problems.

Your average joe-computer-user doesnt want to buy a high end gaming system. The average user wants to walk in to a store, pick a computer, and have it work well. Vista isn't an appropriate OS to have for those systems, but you dont have a choice. The great thing with XP is that it runs on next to nothing. Vista essentially requires that you have a high end expensive system to function decently. Hell, my old work dropped 3K on a system to monitor our switches (needed to spend our budget). We ran vista 32 and 64 bit and they both scored terrible.... on a xeon processor and 6gb of DDR3 RAM.


My 1.6ghz atom netbook runs 7 flawlessly, and scores high on the scale as well.

[lagos]

windows sucks, windows vista sucks harder, buy a mac.

Linux, PC based OS is similar, I've tried at least 5 different Linux distros and application support and selection is just terrible.

What kind of IT professional are you?
When was the last time you tried Linux?

I don't really understand what you would be missing in terms of apps. Sure, Linux is not a gamers OS, but neither is the Mac. But besides that, anything that you can do on a windows or mac machine, you can do on a linux system.

I use linux on a daily basis, and never felt like I was missing anything. Firefox is there, I can check email, I use open office, edit photos, etc...etc...

The great thing about linux apps is that there is no bloatware to them. Sure, windows has a huge selection of shareware, but its all bloated down with nagging requests to register, or apps that try to autolaunch on their own and hide in your system try. Linux on the other hand has zero of that. Everything is free, lightweight, and fast.

The only app that I can think of that linux is missing, would probably be Photoshop, but thats just a matter of adobe getting up off their ass and realizing their customers want linux support.