switching 94 gt to a 2000s gts motor Options

[homeboy]

Will this work? Sensors, tranny, etc..
I found a guy who loves to do mods. He said if I get the motor, he'll do the work free; simply spread the word about him. Is it going to cost a lot in conversions? I need to do something. I threw a rod racing at 120. I miss my car reaallll bad.
If this won't work, does anybody know where to find a cheap motor or rebuild kit?
Thanks, peace out

[Ryouxrs]

Will this work? Sensors, tranny, etc..
I found a guy who loves to do mods. He said if I get the motor, he'll do the work free; simply spread the word about him. Is it going to cost a lot in conversions? I need to do something. I threw a rod racing at 120. I miss my car reaallll bad.
If this won't work, does anybody know where to find a cheap motor or rebuild kit?
Thanks, peace out

it is deff. possible, you biggest issues will be fabin a header, and getting an emanage, or hydro to tune the engine, and its gonna be a wiring nightmare, plus the fact that the 2zz engine even from a junk yard is atleast $2000 plus the c60 transmission. it will be expensive and time consuming, but if u got the $$$ go for it.

[95CelicaST]

Will this work? Sensors, tranny, etc..
I found a guy who loves to do mods. He said if I get the motor, he'll do the work free; simply spread the word about him. Is it going to cost a lot in conversions? I need to do something. I threw a rod racing at 120. I miss my car reaallll bad.
If this won't work, does anybody know where to find a cheap motor or rebuild kit?
Thanks, peace out

Serves you right for street racing.

At the top of the forum there is a thread called "Engine FAQ, swaps, intakes, exhaust,ect, READ THIS FIRST BEFORE POSTING"

in that there is this thread:

Pay close attention to the second paragraph under non-feasible.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1311

This post has been edited by 95CelicaST: Apr 11, 2009 - 4:25 PM

[RavenAegis45]

^^Harsh^^

but very true. if you got the time and money go for it but the 2ZZ was never designed for our cars. not to mention your down-sizing your engine from a 2.2L to a 1.8L so that alone would be a deterrent to most. Simply put its going to cost ALOT! its definitely not going to be reliable. and its going to suck as a daily driver. nuff said

[GriffGirl]

downsizing from a 2.2 to a 1.8 isn't the problem here. It's not about displacement, it's about compression. But it's a moot point since it's not a likely swap. I guess anything is possible, but what if the mechanic gets halfway through and says oh sh1t, I can't do this, and throws in the towel since he's doing it for free anyway?

You wanna do a less common swap, do a 6 cylinder swap.

[RavenAegis45]

downsizing from a 2.2 to a 1.8 isn't the problem here. It's not about displacement, it's about compression. But it's a moot point since it's not a likely swap. I guess anything is possible, but what if the mechanic gets halfway through and says oh sh1t, I can't do this, and throws in the towel since he's doing it for free anyway?

You wanna do a less common swap, do a 6 cylinder swap.

well it depends honestly on wat your looking for. an ST's 7A is also a 1.8L but its designed vastly different. so unless you plan to drive over 5000 rpms just to get decent torque figures the 2ZZ isnt a great choice unless you plan on applying force induction. And parts alone are going to be expensive you might as well get a complete GTS even if he does it for free.

[Ryouxrs]

downsizing from a 2.2 to a 1.8 isn't the problem here. It's not about displacement, it's about compression. But it's a moot point since it's not a likely swap. I guess anything is possible, but what if the mechanic gets halfway through and says oh sh1t, I can't do this, and throws in the towel since he's doing it for free anyway?

You wanna do a less common swap, do a 6 cylinder swap.

well it depends honestly on wat your looking for. an ST's 7A is also a 1.8L but its designed vastly different. so unless you plan to drive over 5000 rpms just to get decent torque figures the 2ZZ isnt a great choice unless you plan on applying force induction. And parts alone are going to be expensive you might as well get a complete GTS even if he does it for free.

this is not true with the 2zz other than it is expensive, it gets its maximum torque before 4k rpm, it is gutless from then on till lift at 6800 rpm, its great off the line, and in the top end, especially if u get a cable throttle body that came in the matrix and corrola xrs's, instead of the drive by wire crap that came in the gts's.

[JDM_Factory]

this is not a wise decision...

Fabbing motor mounts, wiring, sourcing, and any bumps on the road is gonna take much MUCH longer.

[njccmd2002]

i think you might be able to pull off better with tags and title to just by a 7th gen. they are cheap now days,

[homeboy]

i think you might be able to pull off better with tags and title to just by a 7th gen. they are cheap now days,

That is a real nice thought. But parents don't have the money, my job shut down a few paychecks after I started, and I don't have a way to get to a job anymore because I have that crazy overprotectve mother who thinks its dangerous to walk in my tiny town. MY celi cost my dad $1650 wrecked, <$2000 when everything was done. Love my little car.

[njccmd2002]

yeah but just the engine with swap is around 7k, so your best bet is to find used engine from somebody that swapped.

[95CelicaST]

If you had an ST it would be cheaper to step up to a better motor, but a 3SGTE will cost you a couple grand, then wiring, exhaust, random bugs with every swap, etc. It is a general rule of thumb to have about 6 grand set aside to cover all your costs with a 3SGTE. Since a 2ZZ swap hasn't ever been done into a 6th gen celica it is going to cost A LOT more. Plus I'm sure since your riding mom and dad's pocketbook nothing will fly but another 5SFE.


But if you're serious about it why don't you PM Dr. Tweak and ask what it would cost.

[Ryouxrs]

If you had an ST it would be cheaper to step up to a better motor, but a 3SGTE will cost you a couple grand, then wiring, exhaust, random bugs with every swap, etc. It is a general rule of thumb to have about 6 grand set aside to cover all your costs with a 3SGTE. Since a 2ZZ swap hasn't ever been done into a 6th gen celica it is going to cost A LOT more. Plus I'm sure since your riding mom and dad's pocketbook nothing will fly but another 5SFE.


But if you're serious about it why don't you PM Dr. Tweak and ask what it would cost.

X2

[homeboy]

If you had an ST it would be cheaper to step up to a better motor, but a 3SGTE will cost you a couple grand, then wiring, exhaust, random bugs with every swap, etc. It is a general rule of thumb to have about 6 grand set aside to cover all your costs with a 3SGTE. Since a 2ZZ swap hasn't ever been done into a 6th gen celica it is going to cost A LOT more. Plus I'm sure since your riding mom and dad's pocketbook nothing will fly but another 5SFE.


But if you're serious about it why don't you PM Dr. Tweak and ask what it would cost.

X2

well i'm starting to wonder if this motors gonna be hot or something cuz he told me to do it all for $1500...

[bccentaur3]

Why are you relying on mommy and daddy's money? If you were to spend your own money you would take better care of the motor in the first place rather than racing around town blowing up your motor. The motor isn't a performance motor.. I owned a 7th gen gts and it was a blast to drive. Well the first couple of weeks. After that its just plain jane boring. You want fun day in and day out get a 3sgte under the hood. And use your own money. You'd appreciate it more.

[Smaay]

the 2ZZ makes more HP than the 5S and weighs half as much so it would be an upgrade, but the major issue will be motor mounts and the fact that the egine is backwards. the intake and exhaust are on opposite sides.

[homeboy]

Why are you relying on mommy and daddy's money? If you were to spend your own money you would take better care of the motor in the first place rather than racing around town blowing up your motor. The motor isn't a performance motor.. I owned a 7th gen gts and it was a blast to drive. Well the first couple of weeks. After that its just plain jane boring. You want fun day in and day out get a 3sgte under the hood. And use your own money. You'd appreciate it more.

Mom's crazy overprotective. She "lost" my birth certificate so I couldn't get my permit. Finally convinced her to let me get a job; they closed after 3 paychecks. So, I have no money, no job, and now no ride to get to a job if one of the freaking 100 places I put in an application at ever calls. And dad told me if I kept good grades and stayed outta trouble, he'd get me a car. I had a $2000 budget for my 3.7 gpa. So I don't exactly feel spoiled or anything here... But yea, I was dumb for racing it.

[bccentaur3]

Wow!! I didn't get squat for my 3.7 GPA in HS.. I was also all-conference in football... But good for you. To save yourself money use that $2000 and get a 98+ 5s motor.. Then when you get power hungry BOOST it.

[Ryouxrs]

Wow!! I didn't get squat for my 3.7 GPA in HS.. I was also all-conference in football... But good for you. To save yourself money use that $2000 and get a 98+ 5s motor.. Then when you get power hungry BOOST it.

X2!!! much cheaper, and a much bigger gain than just swapping in a stock 2zz

[trdproven]

anything is possible, its just not worth the power in return for the hard labor of that motor.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Apr 21, 2009 - 9:57 AM

[jimmykay]

Mom's crazy overprotective. She "lost" my birth certificate so I couldn't get my permit. Finally convinced her to let me get a job; they closed after 3 paychecks. So, I have no money, no job, and now no ride to get to a job if one of the freaking 100 places I put in an application at ever calls. And dad told me if I kept good grades and stayed outta trouble, he'd get me a car. I had a $2000 budget for my 3.7 gpa. So I don't exactly feel spoiled or anything here... But yea, I was dumb for racing it.

A. I doubt that your mom is crazy overprotective.

B. you have no job. Why are you wanting to spend all of your parent's money on beefing up THEIR car that you broke by racing?

C. In case you haven't heard, we're in the middle of a recession. There are few places that are hiring. Keep looking and once you find a job, save up your own money if you want to turbo it.

D. $2000 for a 3.7? you're so lucky.

/rant

[GriffGirl]

Mom's crazy overprotective. She "lost" my birth certificate so I couldn't get my permit. Finally convinced her to let me get a job; they closed after 3 paychecks. So, I have no money, no job, and now no ride to get to a job if one of the freaking 100 places I put in an application at ever calls. And dad told me if I kept good grades and stayed outta trouble, he'd get me a car. I had a $2000 budget for my 3.7 gpa. So I don't exactly feel spoiled or anything here... But yea, I was dumb for racing it.

A. I doubt that your mom is crazy overprotective.

You're not living this kid's life, so don't assume. I grew up with a pretty overprotective mother myself, and have seen it with others the type of mom who "lost" the birth cert. so the kid couldn't get his/her license. This really does happen. I'm not saying one way or the other in this case, but don't assume you know this kid.

B. you have no job. Why are you wanting to spend all of your parent's money on beefing up THEIR car that you broke by racing?

If he has $1500, whether he earned it or his parents gave it to him, don't you think that's between the OP and his parents? Again - I just think this is really judgmental. We're not living the OPs life, he is. He's a dumbass for racing his car, yes. But cut the kid some slack until you/we know the details.

C. In case you haven't heard, we're in the middle of a recession. There are few places that are hiring. Keep looking and once you find a job, save up your own money if you want to turbo it.

He said his mom won't let him get another job (?). Agreed though - replace the 5s w/a used one for a few hundred bucks, and boost it.

D. $2000 for a 3.7? you're so lucky.

WORD UP I wish I had it like that when I was in HS. I was lucky and my mom was able to provide well for me, but I DEF wasn't spoiled like that (which I'm glad for)

/rant

x2

[jimmykay]

sorry homeboy, and thanks griff
I'm not living your life, I don't know your situation and I don't know if your mom is overprotective or not.
I was just thinking that to a 16yr old, your parents may seem very overprotective, however, to a 20, 30, 40 yr old, the perspective may change.

please disregard my previous post. I guess I just have a case of the Mondays. Too bad its Wednesday.

This post has been edited by jimmykay: Apr 22, 2009 - 11:59 AM

[GriffGirl]

sorry homeboy, and thanks griff
I'm not living your life, I don't know your situation and I don't know if your mom is overprotective or not.
I was just thinking that to a 16yr old, your parents may seem very overprotective, however, to a 20, 30, 40 yr old, the perspective may change.

please disregard my previous post. I guess I just have a case of the Mondays. Too bad its Wednesday.

I couldn't agree more with your statement about what seems overprotective at 16 seems like just good common sense at 30 etc. Damn growing up SUCKS.

So do Mondays on Wednesdays. Crap it's only WEDNESDAY? Sheesh. Let's go have a drink somewhere until it's Friday.

[eggman40]

my best advice is to just be patient and wait until you have more money to play with. even with the cheapest power option, 2k is really cutting it close. Not only that, once you get more power in the car, there are more things that will require maintenance, or will become more likely to break. the car will become expensive to maintain.
So just wait until you have a steady job and could afford to replace worn wheel bearing, or a broken axle, or a cracked radiator....etc all these random things will come up when you build your motor, or swap one out completely. good luck and be safe, dont go three digits on the freeway anymore.