Subayota Celiceza?, Toyota to Partner up with Subaru Options

[SlvrCelica09]

Hey guys, duno if anyone has seen this, but it certainly caught my eye:

http://www.scoobyblog.com/2008-02-05/subayota-celiceza

should be interesting.. says it may come out in 2011

[playr158]

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepost my friend

[Stambo]

but who knows if its actually gonna happen.
If it does happen the real question is, AWD or RWD? Both would be very fun tho

[njccmd2002]

Im waiting for some real news, no gossip. I hope is RWD, that will save me from buying a 1st gen celica

[Random_Stranger]

I did hear that it won't be a "Celica" but be a car for the Scion line, because supposedly the 6th gen Celica killed the sales for the celica name by being way overpriced for what it is. Looking like a sports car, and lacking the speed, yet being reliable and fun to drive. That's just what I heard, they said because of that, it affected sales of the 7th gen and more than likely done with the Celica line. I dunno though.

Every Japanese car make kinda had their own lil "Honda Civic" going on (cars that compete and compare in some aspect). Toyota had Celica, Mitsubishi has Eclipse, Honda has Civic, Nissan I guess their Sentra and lord knows wtf is up with Mazda over their and their crazy creations.

[Supersprynt]

This is very old new - however the latest is that this has been put on hold due to the crappy economy.

[yarik83]

find latest and greatest from 7tune website. It looks like just about every other site references it in one way or another. Latest "concept" is a sad sad version of original idea. Supposedly target audience is your mom and dad and their older siblings.

[block]

This is very old new - however the latest is that this has been put on hold due to the crappy economy.

i thought i read it was a go because toyota desperately needed a sporty car to attract more buyers? i just read it like 2 weeks ago

[richee3]

I did hear that it won't be a "Celica" but be a car for the Scion line, because supposedly the 6th gen Celica killed the sales for the celica name by being way overpriced for what it is. Looking like a sports car, and lacking the speed, yet being reliable and fun to drive. That's just what I heard, they said because of that, it affected sales of the 7th gen and more than likely done with the Celica line. I dunno though.

Come on, if GM can somehow save the Camaro, Toyota can save the Celica! I won't get started on my new Camaro rant, but trust me, I could go on for days. Don't get me started on Solstices either. I know this concept will probably never become a reality, but I would start saving tomorrow and be first in line to buy one if it ever was to come true.

[3WayStunna]

Toyota messed up with the celica when they didnt introduce the st205 stateside. And secondly, failed even more miserbly when they didnt include any real sportscar to their lineup after the celica/mr2/supra. Honestly, they need to get their head out of their asses, screw this "teaming up" crap and bring back a sports car in general, made and designed for toyota, to be sold by toyota. Excuse my language, but its my opinion.

Meh, oh forgot to add, they couldve easily sold a cheaper GT4 stateside if money was an issue. Ionno, one without WTA intercooling, maybe the Mcpherson setup from the other celicas.

EDITED FOR GREAT JUSTICE:

Toyotas north american marketing strategy----



This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Sep 8, 2009 - 10:45 AM

[njccmd2002]

toyota in the us is economy, thats it period.

I guess if you want performance its lexus. If you want something sporty looking and boxy and ugly its scion.

Who can afford lexus? Mom, dad and granpa. Scions are for kids, and we are left in the middle with no options. Toyota starts to dissapoint me... But they dont care, they have their sales with the camry...

[Random_Stranger]

I have a feeling sooner or later they will be able to bust out those sports cars once again, but as for now, I am amazed how they are dominating in sales in the USA. Sure others will argue that they "aren't" number one, but I remember reading an article on how they are afraid to be No.1 in the USA, and I would say if they are not, they are pretty damn close. They continue to do this, eventually, they are going to need to bust out those sports cars. I mean, it's almost like Ford are their rivals here and if Ford can bust out those mustangs, we (Toyota, and since I am a hardcore fanboy) need to hit back with something! Just 1 thing and keep it going, maybe a change every 6 years or something, The MR2, the Supra, just something consistent. Celica isn't bad for what it is, but since they do have the TC, I can understand why "Celica" would be terminated, however, they can beef up the Celica to a special GT-Four like vehicle, while not really taking away from the future "Celica" or "Celicas". Maybe just add a new head and a turbo charger with a rwd or awd version of the car, that is very cheap and effective.

Not like there were a lot of MR2's, Supras anyways, and I even hear that the GT-Four is very rare overseas as well, even though we never got one here in North America. So wtf?!

[richee3]

I agree with you, Faust, that Toyota does need some kind of sports car, but I also agree with njccmd that they have the sales they want with the Camry and the Corolla. When you are the head of Toyota, it's not about building the fastest car. It's about how you can pad your wallet a little bit more. I agree that Toyota does need a dedicated sports car out there, not something that you want to buy to haul the kids around in and look good doing it, but an actual, good sports car. The tC is a lame replacement for the Celica. I understand Toyota's goal behind it, trying to build something sporty but economical so kids can afford it, but that's where they went wrong- it's aimed at kids my age. How many 19 year olds are out buying the best sports cars? The tC seems too much like the Corolla to me. I think Toyota needs to come out with a car specifically designed to take on the Mustang. They have the tC to get their share of sales from potential Civic buyers, but they have nothing to take on the sports car market. If they came out with a sports coupe with a 6 cylinder, they could be taking sales from the Mustang. It's well known that Toyota's goal is reliability and economy, so I'm sure they could find a good balance between something quick and something to take out the Mustang. But then again, who are a bunch of guys from 6gc.net to tell the main guys at Toyota what to do?

[presure2]

Toyota messed up with the celica when they didnt introduce the st205 stateside

do you realize toyota sold exactly 81 celica alltrac's in the USA in '93?
there are lots of reasons toyota didnt bring the 205 stateside, and that is prolly the biggest one.

[Random_Stranger]

Well that's what I am going to school for. I want to eventually be able to legally and be taken seriously when it comes to building and designing cars. I would LOVE to work for Toyota, even if I were a lowly custodian employed by Toyota. Let alone pitch a new design, or idea and have them use it, and of course make a wallet out of it. I love Toyota so damn much, it's not even funny. Sometimes I wonder if God even questions my loyalty when it comes to Him or Toyota... lol (Ok.. let's not get into that debate).

Toyota messed up with the celica when they didnt introduce the st205 stateside

do you realize toyota sold exactly 81 celica alltrac's in the USA in '93?
there are lots of reasons toyota didnt bring the 205 stateside, and that is prolly the biggest one.

That's a good point, but at the same time, why is the resale value so high then? I would imagine the car would be total garbage and sold for a lot less, being traded amongst people like Tilla Tequilla.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Sep 8, 2009 - 6:09 PM

[Stambo]

If they came out with another gt4, and got back in to the WRC i think sales would go up, and be able to compete with evo's n sti's. Just look at how many people with evo's n sti's. That whole deal really blew up not to long ago.

[presure2]

That's a good point, but at the same time, why is the resale value so high then? I would imagine the car would be total garbage and sold for a lot less, being traded amongst people like Tilla Tequilla

because they ARE a nice car, and there is a market for them.

part of the reason they didnt sell at the time was the price, they were just too damn expensive.

[Random_Stranger]

That's a good point, but at the same time, why is the resale value so high then? I would imagine the car would be total garbage and sold for a lot less, being traded amongst people like Tilla Tequilla

because they ARE a nice car, and there is a market for them.

part of the reason they didnt sell at the time was the price, they were just too damn expensive.

Oh yeah, I can see that. But now is a good chance to bring them back, just because of Evo's and STi's, people want something different.

[njccmd2002]

If they came out with a sports coupe with a 6 cylinder.

In their minds they think they have. A Solara coupe V6 and vert. But if you ask me, i only see Moms driving around, in their midlife crisis.

That's a good point, but at the same time, why is the resale value so high then? I would imagine the car would be total garbage and sold for a lot less, being traded amongst people like Tilla Tequilla

because they ARE a nice car, and there is a market for them.

part of the reason they didnt sell at the time was the price, they were just too damn expensive.

There is a market cause we exist. LOL, finally people realize the potential of matchbox cars LOL

however many are making tons of money selling crap, cause you guys do realize we are importing all the crap japans disposes. And we call it JDM. RPM garage calls it the rarest of the rarest.

Anothers man trash is our treasure. Ironic.

[DEATH]

This is the best conversation we've had about Toyota and the Celica line in many years and it started with a repost of a repost of a repost...
You ask me? WE are TRD, WE are the future of the Celica line.
I'm proud to be part of this group who keeps the dream alive and better everyday.
Fcuk Toyota and their BS [unless they find it in their hearts to give us a $60k stripped down version of the LFA with the drivetrain and looks intact - and then bless those wonderful folks over there]

[malpaso]

Folks this topic is again about what already was told about year ago...

topic #1: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=60316
topic #2: http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=61802

In short. CEO of German branch of Toyota has confirmed that Toyota and Subaru age making new car. Body will be Toyota and engine Subaru. Since than many people call it "Toyobaru" (just google that word and you see). There are announced two versions:

a) GT with 2litre, 4cylinder "boxer" engine and rear wheel drive with 200HP
b) AWD GT (so no GT-four) with engine from Impreza STi with 300HP

This is known... but since "financial situation of the world" they postponed release from 2009 to 2011. So... rumors can continue for another two years and I bet there will be even more topic about this "shocking new information" .

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 9, 2009 - 2:09 AM

[BonzaiCelica]

boxer engine noooo!!!! and with subaru, friggin horrible. Just when you thought toyota was starting to get back into the racing scene they decide to use subaru's 4 cylinder boxer engine. eww

toyota needs to make another engine with yamaha.

if the gt is going to be rear wheel drive, they should make some more horsepower, so that they can compete with the s2000.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Sep 9, 2009 - 1:46 AM

[fibrewizard]

new toyota release artist impression........confirmed in the USA, Aus,

[richee3]

I have driven the V6 Solara, and although it feels quick, it's certainly not a sports car, sports coupe, or sports anything. I wanted one for a while because they feel quick but have the practicality of a Camry.

however many are making tons of money selling crap, cause you guys do realize we are importing all the crap japans disposes. And we call it JDM. RPM garage calls it the rarest of the rarest.

Anothers man trash is our treasure. Ironic.

You just hit the nail on the head. Another thought is that America keeps outsourcing our jobs to other countries because of cheap labor. Toyota keeps outsourcing their jobs to America. America is Japan's Mexico, as it were. And when the Japanese are done with all the good stuff, they scrap their cars and send what's left here, just like you said.

Death, strong words there. But I have to say I completely agree.

[Random_Stranger]

new toyota release artist impression........confirmed in the USA, Aus,

Wow, that looks very Supra-ish (potentially, because let's face it, they wouldn't do this unless it was a sporty vehicle they planned on keeping around which means changing the body style and such as the years progress, otherwise, it will take on an older more popular classic name, such as Celica, MR2 or Supra....... That or unless it is true that it is for their Scion line, but....... nevermind).

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Sep 9, 2009 - 4:07 PM

[gomezjose26]

boxer engine noooo!!!! and with subaru, friggin horrible. Just when you thought toyota was starting to get back into the racing scene they decide to use subaru's 4 cylinder boxer engine. eww

toyota needs to make another engine with yamaha.

if the gt is going to be rear wheel drive, they should make some more horsepower, so that they can compete with the s2000.

i believe that subaru should not make a car with toyota. subaru has a good thing going(yes making a car with toyota will give it more spotlight but subaru is a car people buy because its what they want(what i call the subaru lifestyle).) and to be honest i take subaru more seriously than toyota, toyota just seems to pump out cars to make money(in my opinion toyotas now are pretty bland like the camrys/corrollas of the 90's, they are soo focused on what honda/nissan does that they all end up making the same car IMHO) subaru on the other hand gives you a no BS car. they offer you what the car is; unlike a celica/tc/ civic si or any fwd "sports" car they just dont give you the "feel" of a sports car subaru delivers in my opinion great cars and they are only going to get better. toyota being the great company that it is has the abitlity to produce a true rwd sports car that will eat up anything gm, ford, could possibly make. imo the toyburu or w/e its called is a bad idea for both companies. toyota has the ability and more importantly the capital to make it happen. i hope toyota does make a true sports car and im waiting for that day. sorry if i offend anyone its just that like both companies but subaru is just special to me.

[Spider77]

Well, after seeing this one here..I decided to go searching somewhere and I cant remember where I read it at, but somewhere online they said it should make a showing at the 09 Tokyo autoshow...oct 23.

[fibrewizard]

boxer engine noooo!!!! and with subaru, friggin horrible. Just when you thought toyota was starting to get back into the racing scene they decide to use subaru's 4 cylinder boxer engine. eww

toyota needs to make another engine with yamaha.

if the gt is going to be rear wheel drive, they should make some more horsepower, so that they can compete with the s2000.

i believe that subaru should not make a car with toyota. subaru has a good thing going(yes making a car with toyota will give it more spotlight but subaru is a car people buy because its what they want(what i call the subaru lifestyle).) and to be honest i take subaru more seriously than toyota, toyota just seems to pump out cars to make money(in my opinion toyotas now are pretty bland like the camrys/corrollas of the 90's, they are soo focused on what honda/nissan does that they all end up making the same car IMHO) subaru on the other hand gives you a no BS car. they offer you what the car is; unlike a celica/tc/ civic si or any fwd "sports" car they just dont give you the "feel" of a sports car subaru delivers in my opinion great cars and they are only going to get better. toyota being the great company that it is has the abitlity to produce a true rwd sports car that will eat up anything gm, ford, could possibly make. imo the toyburu or w/e its called is a bad idea for both companies. toyota has the ability and more importantly the capital to make it happen. i hope toyota does make a true sports car and im waiting for that day. sorry if i offend anyone its just that like both companies but subaru is just special to me.

toyota own a part share in subaru.....
its easier and cheaper to make 2 cars from one chassis design......

whether its right or wrong its good business.....IMO...... but i am sceptical about a boxer powered rwd.....
subaru have the market in 4WD vehicles... it would be stupid of them and toyota to compete head to head for suach another car....
Hense a RWD toyota version...... and from what ive read they will look different just share the same chassis.....

so for those that wish to ... it would be quite possible to then turn the celica into a 4wd weapon......using the subaru gear.. as it's made for the same chassis.......

massive plus for those in the modding business.....

[richee3]

I know that Toyota makes great cars, and I know that the STi is one of the most fun cars out there. I don't see anything wrong with combining two good things. Granted, I wish the Celica was still around, and I wish Toyota had a good sports car out there, but I don't see anything wrong with this car. You better believe that if I have the money, I'll be buying one. I drove by a car dealership the other day that had a 2010 Mustang GT sitting next to a 2010 Challenger. And I've never noticed it until I saw them sitting next to one another, and I don't see it when they are apart, but sitting next to each other, they looked virtually identical. The concepts I see here don't look a thing like either one of them, and that's worth a lot to me. That's what I love about the 6gc. The only cars that resemble it are the Hyundai Tiburon, which the Celica looks way better, and the Supra. And I'm not the least bit ashamed when somebody tells me how awesome my "Supra" is.

[gomezjose26]

boxer engine noooo!!!! and with subaru, friggin horrible. Just when you thought toyota was starting to get back into the racing scene they decide to use subaru's 4 cylinder boxer engine. eww

toyota needs to make another engine with yamaha.

if the gt is going to be rear wheel drive, they should make some more horsepower, so that they can compete with the s2000.

i believe that subaru should not make a car with toyota. subaru has a good thing going(yes making a car with toyota will give it more spotlight but subaru is a car people buy because its what they want(what i call the subaru lifestyle).) and to be honest i take subaru more seriously than toyota, toyota just seems to pump out cars to make money(in my opinion toyotas now are pretty bland like the camrys/corrollas of the 90's, they are soo focused on what honda/nissan does that they all end up making the same car IMHO) subaru on the other hand gives you a no BS car. they offer you what the car is; unlike a celica/tc/ civic si or any fwd "sports" car they just dont give you the "feel" of a sports car subaru delivers in my opinion great cars and they are only going to get better. toyota being the great company that it is has the abitlity to produce a true rwd sports car that will eat up anything gm, ford, could possibly make. imo the toyburu or w/e its called is a bad idea for both companies. toyota has the ability and more importantly the capital to make it happen. i hope toyota does make a true sports car and im waiting for that day. sorry if i offend anyone its just that like both companies but subaru is just special to me.

toyota own a part share in subaru.....
its easier and cheaper to make 2 cars from one chassis design......

whether its right or wrong its good business.....IMO...... but i am sceptical about a boxer powered rwd.....
subaru have the market in 4WD vehicles... it would be stupid of them and toyota to compete head to head for suach another car....
Hense a RWD toyota version...... and from what ive read they will look different just share the same chassis.....

so for those that wish to ... it would be quite possible to then turn the celica into a 4wd weapon......using the subaru gear.. as it's made for the same chassis.......

massive plus for those in the modding business.....

im aware of toyota owning i belive 18-20% of subaru, its just that id rather not see it happen even if its a celica. toyota has the full potential of building great sports cars on their own like the supra it was and still is a good true sports car. have they forgotten what it took to make the supra? toyota is a great powerful company that could easly make a better car than subaru, have the engineers/designers forget how they made gt4's/mr2's/supras? toyota has the experiance to create their own sports car. subaru should stick to awd its what they do best. i would not drive a subaru with a toyota badge. what about lexus they make great cars maybe toyota should look into stripping down and redesigning it. its a great base for a toyota sports car. plus the competition between companys is what truly improves a brand. were would the sti stand with out an evo, supura/rx7/3000gt/skyline they are all responses to one another the merging and cooperation of companies is good for business but bad for the cars, in the end there would be less sports cars offered, and it would dilute a companies full potential.

This post has been edited by gomezjose26: Sep 10, 2009 - 8:08 AM

[keison2000]

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

[xs94st]

^^^Word.

[Random_Stranger]

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

Preach on Brotha Keison! Preach on! Amen to that!

[richee3]

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

Hands down the quote of the day.

[BonzaiCelica]

very good discussion everybody. wow I couldn't believe it when presure 2 said that only 81 all trac celica were sold in 1993. then i searched it and it was a fact. what a shame

[easternpiro1]

I have driven the V6 Solara, and although it feels quick, it's certainly not a sports car, sports coupe, or sports anything. I wanted one for a while because they feel quick but have the practicality of a Camry.

however many are making tons of money selling crap, cause you guys do realize we are importing all the crap japans disposes. And we call it JDM. RPM garage calls it the rarest of the rarest.

Anothers man trash is our treasure. Ironic.

You just hit the nail on the head. Another thought is that America keeps outsourcing our jobs to other countries because of cheap labor. Toyota keeps outsourcing their jobs to America. America is Japan's Mexico, as it were. And when the Japanese are done with all the good stuff, they scrap their cars and send what's left here, just like you said.

Death, strong words there. But I have to say I completely agree.

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

i agree with keison x20000000

and richee youre right we do get japan's junk... and be that as it may, they need to drop subaru, stop BULL$#!ttING and just start remanufacturing the 4th gen 3sgte (which was discontinued RECENTLY 2003-04?)

BADA-BING cheap solution 265whp for starters. but im a dreamer so what do i know?

[yarik83]

There are reasons why things are they way they are. Latest rumor is that celica will be catered to your dad and your grandpa. Latest rumor is that people are also trying to buy environmentally and gas efficient vehicles. What boggles my mind though is that while toyota keeps scratching their head I see the general trend sort of "leave" toyota cars.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.

Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.

As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.

Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.

[easternpiro1]

800 500 and 400 dollars a month FOR WHAT EXACTLY!?!?!?!?!?!????????? please tell me youre including insurance gas etc and not JUST CAR PAYMENTS... lol my credit isnt THAT BAD...

all jokes aside i agree on that point. and toyota is PERFECTLY capable of providing a vehicle within that price range, BUT as stated before, toyota is admittedly afraid of their own potential.... sorta like the democrats

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Sep 13, 2009 - 9:29 PM

[yarik83]

I meant in car payments mate. Owning an evo every month probably equates to 1200 ish. Thats for the Raliant X model. Average evo 9 sells for around 25K with 8.7 percent apr at a dealership. 2008 evo x comes with 0 percent apr at a dealership but is also costs 40 grand ;-(

edit: estimates are just based off calculator on their site

This post has been edited by yarik83: Sep 14, 2009 - 8:44 PM

[blu94gt]

All I know is that if hyundai can put out a sports car, then toyota needs to get on the ball...

and Hyundai will have earned my business with a Genesis coupe if Toyota doesn't get the picture soon.

I love the Celica, but when I finish my degree in a year or 2 the car will be well over the 200k mark and I'll be needing something.

As far as the Toyobaru, I think it could be a good car. The boxer engine has potential, and tons of aftermarket support. They are every bit as reliable as a Toyota motor, and sound pretty mean too. RWD or AWD the car will be good. I just hope there isn't a huge price markup, they need something in the low 20's to compete with the Genesis coupe and the Civic Si.

[yarik83]

http://www.7tune.com/086a-target-market-change-power-drop/

[SlvrCelica09]

that model looks soo sick

[gomezjose26]

http://www.7tune.com/086a-target-market-change-power-drop/

it looks nice kinda looks like the genesis just better but 160ps!! fail.

[gomezjose26]

There are reasons why things are they way they are. Latest rumor is that celica will be catered to your dad and your grandpa. Latest rumor is that people are also trying to buy environmentally and gas efficient vehicles. What boggles my mind though is that while toyota keeps scratching their head I see the general trend sort of "leave" toyota cars.
Just look outside your window and count number of all wheel drive subaru wrx. You can stop counting at 10 because you will be done counting in probably next 10 minutes.

Sure lets built fuel efficient vehicles... but lets also at least try to retain your dignity or something. There are now far more evolutions and sti's cruising around than there are honda and toyota vehicles. Not everywhere, of course but toyota has arguably kissed their sports vehicles good bye. I think what is happening is that as all of us car tuners growing up we tend to "upgrade" to what is available.

As for revival of celica... we are going to see exactly what is it in just little bit. Tokyo motor show is just around the corner in october. I think.... well I know.. that if this little promotional concept car will turn out to be a sports dud then my next vehicle will be either evo9 or evo10. My 11 year commitment to toyota brand,,, and my parent's commitment to toyota brand is stretching thin.

Bottom line is that people buy sports cars knowingly that they will be eating gas like crazy but deliver all the fun in the world. What car manufacturers need to do is keep producing sports cars but price them lower. Lets look at evo vs sti debacle. One costs 30 and one costs 40. Both vehicles are comparable but one comes out to $800/mo and another to about $500 and therefore you see far more sti's than evo's. If toyobaru was a all wheel drive bucket of fun priced at $400 per month I swear I would jump on that idea so fast its not even funny.

i see more of the newer mustangs more then anything else, havent seen a sti or an evo for a while.ive seen more massaratis than subarus lol and a wrx for me is around $350 a month and i have no credit history, i guess you just have to talk to the dealer.

toyota is like austin powers, its lost its mojo.

This post has been edited by gomezjose26: Sep 15, 2009 - 7:44 AM

[SwissFerdi]

http://www.7tune.com/086a-target-market-change-power-drop/

Sorry, but . It looks like a Solstice.

[yarik83]

It looks exactly like solstice.

When I commented on prices I went to www.mitsubishicars.... there evolution 10 aka raliant comes in mr, mrs, gsr models. gsr is cheaper but according to the calculator mr costs about 800 with 0APR. I would agree that one could bargain down the price and cost of deposit and trade in also play role when determining final price. Overall with no hanky panky evo is obviously more expensive. I would consider wrx but they seem to have made it look like ford focus 5 door and I like that baby in sedan.
I am just debating things with myself. I am being moved to new office which is only 16 minutes by bicycle. In all likelyhood I will either consider working on a celi or give someone here a really good deal on it and buy evo for offroad use. UNLESS... come october toyota pulls head out of their arse and reveals me a awd machine on steroids.