Toyotas bungle..., and they keep piling on?! Options

[easternpiro1]

I may be wrong but i havent seen any threads about toyota's collosal $h!t storm thats raining on their heads right now.... does anybody have the inside track as to whats going on? i know what the news says, but theyre often full of it...

I personally thing that the US is going at toyota EXTREMELY hard for their first major flaw in AGES... could this be to weaken toyota while bolstering ford and GM?! SURE SEEMS LIKE IT!


hyprocrites... after all the damn recalls that american cars have REPEATEDLY?!?! pisses me off!

also... i got a letter from toyota about my gas pedal lmao! ITS A CELICA!!

[Spider77]

Well, I havent heard much, execpt what you see on the news and whatnot. But I did find it funny that I've been getting letters from Honda dealerships wanting me to trade in my Celica...."while its at its peak used car value"

[easternpiro1]

yeah and even kia has the nerve to have commercials about the same thing! trade in your toyota for a kia! LMAO everybody is taking the chance to jump on the juggernaught!!

[SwissFerdi]

I personally thing that the US is going at toyota EXTREMELY hard for their first major flaw in AGES... could this be to weaken toyota while bolstering ford and GM?! SURE SEEMS LIKE IT!

This.

[azian_advanced]

Well, I havent heard much, execpt what you see on the news and whatnot. But I did find it funny that I've been getting letters from Honda dealerships wanting me to trade in my Celica...."while its at its peak used car value"

http://www.4wheelsnews.com/report-honda-wo...toyotas-recall/

funny since based on the article, honda dealers are not 'supposed' to jump on this bandwagon the way ford and gm are.. and also funny that a honda dealer knows you drive a celi.

[Spider77]

I know right? I think they've been digging through records. Now I keep getting stupid emails.

[CelicaST_CALI]

I find it funny that people are saying that Toyota's credibility and reliability are all gone because of dumb asses who were to lazy to take their oem mats out b4 putting in the wal mart ghey rubber ones(this was before the gas pedal fiasco).

[Hanyo]

Basically it boils down to two problems that toyota is doing a recall for.

1) bad floor mats causing gas pedals to jam on
2) bad gas pedals causing the gas pedal to jam on
3) bad ecu programing causing the throttle to stay open even when the brakes are applied. (infinity and other car makers cut off the throttle when you hit the brakes)
4) toyota denying the problem existed until it was too late, and the fix was slow to come out and some people have doubts that the fix will work. Causing a huge public relations problem.
5) The press made an over the top claim telling people not to drive their cars until toyota had the problem fixed. scaring the **** out of everyone.
6) They traced toyota's records and found out the unwanted acceleration back to 2000 built toyotas, right when toyota started using drive by wire technology.


That is what i have gotten from the news and my own research, more stuff would have came up recently that I am unaware of.

But seriously, stuck gas pedals is something everyone has to deal with. Its not a brand new phenomenon.

This post has been edited by Hanyo: Mar 2, 2010 - 6:24 AM

[SwissFerdi]

Drive by cable > drive by wire.

[Hazmat]

I personally thing that the US is going at toyota EXTREMELY hard for their first major flaw in AGES... could this be to weaken toyota while bolstering ford and GM?! SURE SEEMS LIKE IT!

This.

x2

[GriffGirl]

I personally thing that the US is going at toyota EXTREMELY hard for their first major flaw in AGES... could this be to weaken toyota while bolstering ford and GM?! SURE SEEMS LIKE IT!

This.

x2

Damn, I hadn't even thought about it that way until seeing that post. Yeah, that totally makes sense.

Well whatever it is, my opinion about Toyota hasn't changed the slightest bit. I'd still take a recalled Toyota over a sh*tty American car any day. Although in all fairness, it does look like the US mfrs are stepping it up FINALLY. They could be the best cars in the world, but until Toyota becomes the Yugo of Japanese auto makers, I'll still buy a Toyota.

[Hazmat]

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Well whatever it is, my opinion about Toyota hasn't changed the slightest bit. I'd still take a recalled Toyota over a sh*tty American car any day. Although in all fairness, it does look like the US mfrs are stepping it up FINALLY. They could be the best cars in the world, but until Toyota becomes the Yugo of Japanese auto makers, I'll still buy a Toyota.
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Pretty much what I was thinking. I <3 Toyota

[SwissFerdi]

Although in all fairness, it does look like the US mfrs are stepping it up FINALLY.

Yes, but what's being put out is still not all that great. Hallmark American cars are still trucks, SUVs, and pony cars. While they may be pretty good in their own right, they're not what's needed for the auto industry and the environment right now.

[CelicaST_CALI]

Well whatever it is, my opinion about Toyota hasn't changed the slightest bit. I'd still take a recalled Toyota over a sh*tty American car any day. Although in all fairness, it does look like the US mfrs are stepping it up FINALLY. They could be the best cars in the world, but until Toyota becomes the Yugo of Japanese auto makers, I'll still buy a Toyota.

I disagree to some point,i decided to do my senior project on the Bankruptcy of GM.It seems that Frtiz Henderson(former CEO of GM) has been rehired as a consultant.I quote from motor tend"At $59,090 per month, Henderson will make the equivalent of a $709,080 per year salary, or about $2,955 an hour based on his 20-hour-per-month work schedule."

Full story:Link


I think they are making steps to improve themselves,but bull**** like this shows that they still don't value the tax payers dollar.

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Feb 27, 2010 - 11:44 PM

[hurley97]

There is a lot that the news does not tell people and lot that Toyota has said that does not get aired due to governmental control.

-99% of the cases of stuck accelerators are actually driver error
-If someone uses a factory floor mat hooked into the factory clips provided the mat will never slide forward and get stuck under the pedal. Never.
-There have been less than 20 cases of legitimate stuck accelerator pedals (made by CTS) out of 4.2 million cars equipped with the affected pedals, all cases in cars with well over 100k miles.
-If the accelerator pedal does in fact get stuck the car will not rev more than 2500-3000 rpm and can easily be overcome by the brake system.
-Car and driver has an article about a test bring the Camry up to 70mph, and hitting the brakes with the accelerator still pinned to the floor and the vehicle still came to a stop in 190ft which is only 16ft longer than the same test without the accelerator depressed. The Ford Taurus braking distance from 70mph to a stop without the accelerator depressed while braking was 191ft.

These are just a few things Toyota is telling their dealerships. Whether they are feeding us crap to make us feel better, I don't know, but I believe it.

[SwissFerdi]

-Car and driver has an article about a test bring the Camry up to 70mph, and hitting the brakes with the accelerator still pinned to the floor and the vehicle still came to a stop in 190ft which is only 16ft longer than the same test without the accelerator depressed. The Ford Taurus braking distance from 70mph to a stop without the accelerator depressed while braking was 191ft.

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Feb 28, 2010 - 12:39 PM

[Hanyo]

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

to be honest, i am excited about this toyota fiasco. This mean i can get a used toyota cheap from people who are scared of there toyotas.

[BonzaiCelica]

all I see is that this is a good chance for toyota to start all over again with a new line up of sports cars!!! screw economy vehicles.... ha in my dreams...

[keison2000]

I have to agree with most of you guys. The U.S is just attempting to cause damage to Toyota. American cars have gotten better, but I'd still take a Toyota over any American made car..... I guess I too, will take advantage of the lower prices on Toyota parts and vehicles...

[richee3]

I read one statistic with the Corollas that there were less than 100 cases of the power steering out of 4.3 million cars sold. If that's the case, I blame driver error.

[Random_Stranger]

I subscribed to Toyota USA on youtube... THat's where I keep up to date.

[dabazied]

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

to be honest, i am excited about this toyota fiasco. This mean i can get a used toyota cheap from people who are scared of there toyotas.

I don't understand what hp has to do with braking tests, like going from 100-0 with a 85 hp car and a 850 hp car shouldn't make a difference except with weight and the brakes, correct?

[Hanyo]

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

to be honest, i am excited about this toyota fiasco. This mean i can get a used toyota cheap from people who are scared of there toyotas.

I don't understand what hp has to do with braking tests, like going from 100-0 with a 85 hp car and a 850 hp car shouldn't make a difference except with weight and the brakes, correct?

they are testing how well a car can stop with the throttle pinned to the ground. It would be kinda retarded for a high horsepower mustang to have 903 stopping distance wouldn't it?

This post has been edited by Hanyo: Mar 1, 2010 - 1:59 AM

[dabazied]

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

to be honest, i am excited about this toyota fiasco. This mean i can get a used toyota cheap from people who are scared of there toyotas.

I don't understand what hp has to do with braking tests, like going from 100-0 with a 85 hp car and a 850 hp car shouldn't make a difference except with weight and the brakes, correct?

they are testing how well a car can stop with the throttle pinned to the ground. It would be kinda retarded for a high horsepower mustang to have 903 stopping distance wouldn't it?

Didn't see that part, but yeah, that makes a world of difference.

[CAMAricer]

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

This.

This post has been edited by CAMAricer: Mar 1, 2010 - 2:31 AM

[easternpiro1]

To add to this (I have the article right here), they also performed 100-0 MPH tests, braking with the throttle fully open. The Camry did it in 435 feet, the G37 convertible in 326, and the Roush Stage 3 Mustang in 903 feet. Although 100-0 is less relevant than 70-0, you don't see that kind of stuff getting on the news either.

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

to be honest, i am excited about this toyota fiasco. This mean i can get a used toyota cheap from people who are scared of there toyotas.

I never thought of it that way!!! hmmmmm (plotting and schemeing... as scared as old people are of obama, i can convince them that their toyota is satan as well!!)

well there is a reason behind the 903 feet, its because the roush mustang has a ton of horse power, not because the brakes are bad.

This.

and what is that "this." mean? im a square... i have an idea, but enlighten me further lol

[Galcobar]

"This"

Possible translations: This is an accurate answer/response. Pay attention to this post. I agree with this.

[hatchy_gt-s]

Off topic kind of but...
Honda is having a recall for their Accord, Civic, Odyssey, CR-V, and Acura TL because of airbags deploying.






CHEVY IS RECALLING THEIR CARS DUE TO POWER-STEERING GOING OUT!!!!!!!!
the pontiac g5 and the colbalt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H2AeZhHaV4
eat **** chevy, there goes that an extra $1000 for your toyota from gm.

This post has been edited by hatchy_gt-s: Mar 2, 2010 - 10:45 AM

[Hanyo]

update:

apparently the recall has not worked. Some owners still feel the pedal get stuck, and the ecu brake over ride flashing doesn't work all the time.

[GriffGirl]

update:

apparently the recall has not worked. Some owners still feel the pedal get stuck, and the ecu brake over ride flashing doesn't work all the time.

It's too soon to tell though if the recall has not worked. Toyota is looking into it, and IIRC it's a VERY small number of people who have made claims that they're still having the same problem. It could totally be psychosomatic. Call it "automotive hypochondria" perhaps?

[hatchy_gt-s]

update:

apparently the recall has not worked. Some owners still feel the pedal get stuck, and the ecu brake over ride flashing doesn't work all the time.

It's too soon to tell though if the recall has not worked. Toyota is looking into it, and IIRC it's a VERY small number of people who have made claims that they're still having the same problem. It could totally be psychosomatic. Call it "automotive hypochondria" perhaps?

The other problem is people are saying that they are having problems 2 get their 5 seconds of fame. Toyota is checking the black box on the "new issues" and finding some to be false claims.

[kormysh8]

IMO there all false claims. these people are just scaring themselves and making them think there busting, but really its all driver error.. hopefully thats the case lol

[keison2000]

I think the media needs to stop picking on toyota when there are many recalls by several different big automakers...

[hatchy_gt-s]

IMO there all false claims. these people are just scaring themselves and making them think there busting, but really its all driver error.. hopefully thats the case lol

Actually no they are a problem, I have drive 8 of them that have gone to wide open throttle and I know I can drive

[GMan]

> hatchy_gt-s
> '99 GT-S Hatchback
> From covington, KY
> Actually no they are a problem, I have drive 8 of them that have gone to wide open throttle and I know I can drive

Could you elaborate ?

Seems to me to be the " Audi Unintended acceleration" all over again ?
Possibly; drivers Thinking they are pressing the brakes when they are pressing the gas pedal ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudden_unintended_acceleration

Even IF the car went open throttle, the brakes can still stop (At Least slow ) the car ?
I have the Mar. '10 issue of Car and Driver. " Runaway Toyotas "

Run away Toyotas

"brakes are stronger than the engine"

How many drivers on the board think 90mph is "unsafe" ?
Oh the Crazy Trans-Warp speed !

Regards;
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This post has been edited by GMan: Mar 16, 2010 - 3:56 PM

[tankd0g]

"Unintended acceleration" is one of the more popular complaints on the NHTSA site, it all kicked off for Toyota a few years ago when some guy in Texas ran his Tacoma through a store front and blamed the ghost in the machine. At the time, the F150 has many more unintended acceleration complaints on the site than the Tacoma, in spite of this the press manufactured an epidemic and Toyota initiated a huge floor mat recall. A few years later and we have a cop and his family in California killed in a loaner Lexus when the pedal sticks due to an incorrect length floor mat being installed. Toyota should have said, hang on right there, this **** isn't our fault, a dealer put a mat from an SUV in that car and that caused the crash.

Instead they recall floor mats in just about everything they make, for the second time. Fine, maybe the clips they were using were not up to snuff, it's worth noting however that no car I have owned from 1989 to 2001 even had any sort of clip to secure the floor mats and I'm still around to tell the tale. The Lexus in question does have one of those stupid push button starts, which should be abolished, but no one is talking about that. If you want a push button start like a race car, then you should have a push button kill switch like a race car.

So the US government now owns GM and suddenly there's a televised senate hearing where Toyota has to defend itself against complaints that GM has just as many of if not more. Coincidence? Farce is more like it. What does Toyota do? Caves in again and releases some sort of product update where they stick a wedge of scrap metal in your pedal to prevent a failure they know doesn't exist. Now the loonies are really coming out of the woodwork, I saw a prius driver in California on TV yesterday who claimed his pedal was stuck to the floor, as he lead police on a 90mph chase while taking to 911. Funny then, isn't it, that the pedal magically became unstuck when the police had him boxed in and he was able to stop without incident. The guy's interview was some of the worst acting I've seen come out of California since Leno claimed he had nothing to do with bumping Conan.

This post has been edited by tankd0g: Mar 11, 2010 - 7:46 PM

[easternpiro1]

"Unintended acceleration" is one of the more popular complaints on the NHTSA site, it all kicked off for Toyota a few years ago when some guy in Texas ran his Tacoma through a store front and blamed the ghost in the machine. At the time, the F150 has many more unintended acceleration complaints on the site than the Tacoma, in spite of this the press manufactured an epidemic and Toyota initiated a huge floor mat recall. A few years later and we have a cop and his family in California killed in a loaner Lexus when the pedal sticks due to an incorrect length floor mat being installed. Toyota should have said, hang on right there, this **** isn't our fault, a dealer put a mat from an SUV in that car and that caused the crash.

Instead they recall floor mats in just about everything they make, for the second time. Fine, maybe the clips they were using were not up to snuff, it's worth noting however that no car I have owned from 1989 to 2001 even had any sort of clip to secure the floor mats and I'm still around to tell the tale. The Lexus in question does have one of those stupid push button starts, which should be abolished, but no one is talking about that. If you want a push button start like a race car, then you should have a push button kill switch like a race car.

So the US government now owns GM and suddenly there's a televised senate hearing where Toyota has to defend itself against complaints that GM has just as many of if not more. Coincidence? Farce is more like it. What does Toyota do? Caves in again and releases some sort of product update where they stick a wedge of scrap metal in your pedal to prevent a failure they know doesn't exist. Now the loonies are really coming out of the woodwork, I saw a prius driver in California on TV yesterday who claimed his pedal was stuck to the floor, as he lead police on a 90mph chase while taking to 911. Funny then, isn't it, that the pedal magically became unstuck when the police had him boxed in and he was able to stop without incident. The guy's interview was some of the worst acting I've seen come out of California since Leno claimed he had nothing to do with bumping Conan.

THIS.

[Goonter]

"THIS" .. LOL straight up in capital letters.