Remote Start Alarm Installation In A Manual Help Needed, Neutral Sensor? Options

[TRD-ST204]

I have a 94 Celica GT and I want to install a remote start alarm. My car is a manual so I don't want it to jump forward if it is accidentally left in gear. I spoke to some people who installed alarms and the tell me that some manual cars have a neutral sensor that can be tapped into that is connected to the ECU. Seeing that my car is a 94 I don't think that we have anything like that in our cars. So I am I right or wrong? Thanks in advance.

This post has been edited by TRD-ST204: Apr 19, 2010 - 11:27 PM

[GriffGirl]

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[pittfirefighter]

I have a 94 Celica GT and I want to install a remote start alarm. My car is a manual so I don't want it to jump forward if it is accidentally left in gear. I spoke to some people who installed alarms and the tell me that some manual cars have a neutral sensor that can be tapped into that is connected to the ECU. Seeing that my car is a 94 I don't think that we have anything like that in our cars. So I am I right or wrong? Thanks in advance.

the neutral switch is what you have to bypass...
when you start your car, the clutch must be pressed in to start it...
if you install a remote start, the car must "think" the clutch is pressed in
there is no way to safely install a remote start in a manual car
i would recommend not doing it

[Tech-Nics]

^^^ listen to the man. Installing a remote start on a manual is a no no. Had a buddy..well still do have this buddy...anyways he installed a remote start on his Crapbolt and for some reason or another turned off his car with the shifter in 2nd. Few hours later he was showing off his remote start. Next thing you know the car went into maximum overdrive and went into his garage. Mind you the garage door was closed! HAHA!! At least the car didn't end up in the kitchen but his parents had to pay big bucks to repair the damage to the wall in the garage and a new door.

Personally I didn't know that you could even wire a remote starter to a manual car. Learn something new everyday.

[nics]

^^^ listen to the man. Installing a remote start on a manual is a no no. Had a buddy..well still do have this buddy...anyways he installed a remote start on his Crapbolt and for some reason or another turned off his car with the shifter in 2nd. Few hours later he was showing off his remote start. Next thing you know the car went into maximum overdrive and went into his garage. Mind you the garage door was closed! HAHA!! At least the car didn't end up in the kitchen but his parents had to pay big bucks to repair the damage to the wall in the garage and a new door.

Personally I didn't know that you could even wire a remote starter to a manual car. Learn something new everyday.

my friend almost lost his legs, luckily i was there.. remote was on his pocket, started on accident

no no for a MT car

[96stgreendemon]

there is a thread on here about a guy with a remote start that forgot he left it in gear and the damn thing took off down the street, no joke

[schmooot]

OK I have to clear up a few things here. I've seen this type of thread a few times and most people seem to have no idea when it comes to this stuff so listen closely. You CAN install a remote start module in a manual transmission vehicle, it just has to be made for a manual transmission vehicle! People get into trouble when they install the correct one the wrong way (there are certain safety features/wires which must be hooked up), or they install the wrong one.



I have a remote start on two of my manual vehicles and there is no way to remote start them in gear because I have wires them correctly

Here is how they work

The module is tied in to the following things:
ebrake (so the module knows when the parking brake is applied)
brake pedal
clutch bypass switch (so it can start without the clutch being depressed)
door triggers (very important)

and the other standard stuff like tach signal and ignition wires.

First every time I wish to remote start my truck the module needs to be sure the truck is in neutral. You know how in an auto with a remote start you can push the button while the car is running and the module then takes over...then you can turn the key off and get out and the car stays running? Well in a manual you need to do the same thing...then the box is in ready mode.

Let me explain it a little better.

I drive my truck into the driveway and park, then I put it in neutral, pull the e-brake and push the button on my remote, the module has just taken
over running the truck. I can now turn the key off and take it out (truck is still running). Now I get out and close the door. At this point the module knows 3 things: the doors are closed, the e-brake is on, the truck is still in neutral (obviously because it is still running). When I push the button on the remote again the truck turns off. Now it is in "ready mode" and any time from this point on the truck will start when I push the button because the module knows it is not in gear. If I were to come out ten minutes later and open the door/hood/trunk the lights flash and the module turns "ready mode" off because it no longer is sure the truck is in neutral. I the have to get in, start the truck and redo the entire procedure if I wish to use the feature again.

It sounds like a lot but it is kind of routine. In the winter when I know I wish to remote start the next morning I take the extra few seconds to put the truck in "ready mode" before going inside..then it starts the next morning. If I neglect to do this I just have to live with a cold truck.

[nics]

I have a remote start on two of my manual vehicles and there is no way to remote start them in gear because I have wires them correctly

I prefer my car in a parking gear (which is 1st gear) for safety in case something goes wrong with my e-brake.

ebrake (so the module knows when the parking brake is applied)
brake pedal

when the "accident" happened, e-brake was applied


I agree that remote start is very helpful at winter time. But I'm just stating personal experience.

[yarik83]

installing a car starter on a stick shift car is just as wise as climbing over a lion fence in the zoo and having seen the lion look well fed draw an assumption that you are safe.

Most likely you WILL endanger other people. Police don't take lightly to that. Your consciousness should be a guide to tell you that you should not even try.

[zonz540]

I did it on my Civic back in high school and when i had my tires balanced and rotated at work they left it in gear. Being winter, i started my car from inside the warehouse 10 min before i clocked out. When i came out, it had jumped the curb and almost ran into the building.... Not so great of an idea.... But, if youre still interested, PM me and ill get you the diagram.


Nobody on 6GC can be responsible for what happens if something unintentional does happen. USE THE E BRAKE

This post has been edited by zonz540: Apr 22, 2010 - 12:17 AM

[schmooot]

I install these for a living, there is no possible way that it will start your car if it is left in gear. Ever. There are safety features built into the system that prevent this from happening. The only time it does happen is when some idiot bypasses the safety features while installing it or after it is installed. Or like I said before you cannot install a remote starter intended for an automatic on a manual vehicle...it doesn't have the features

This post has been edited by schmooot: Apr 23, 2010 - 4:36 PM

[hurley97]

Nobody is answering his question. He's not asking about the neutral start switch or how to bypass it or what stories you have about it. He's asking if there is a neutral position sensor built into the ecu somewhere that he can tap a fail-safe from, so if you try to start the vehicle and it doesn't see that its in neutral it will not remote start. To be honest I don't think our cars have any such thing but that's only because I've never come across it before so I'm not entirely sure.

[zonz540]

Nobody is answering his question. He's not asking about the neutral start switch or how to bypass it or what stories you have about it. He's asking if there is a neutral position sensor built into the ecu somewhere that he can tap a fail-safe from, so if you try to start the vehicle and it doesn't see that its in neutral it will not remote start. To be honest I don't think our cars have any such thing but that's only because I've never come across it before so I'm not entirely sure.

According to the ecu diagrams I found, the clutch sensing wires cannot be found at the ecu. You'll need to use a relay to do a bypass AT the clutch. The car will see the clutch switch as engaged and allow the car to start. It is possible, I've done it. The newer alarms have some failsafe features built in for standards. They are a pain, but they'll keep your car from randomly launching.

This post has been edited by zonz540: Apr 24, 2010 - 1:02 AM

[TRD-ST204]

Thank you for all of your replies, although I did not find my answer. The good part is that I no longer need to know the answer because my alarm for my manual car is designed and built just like Schmooot described. I feel safe with the product I have and its level of safety so I'm going to install it. Thanks again!

[schmooot]

http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/diagrams/pr...83&MakeID=2

there is your wiring/install guide for your car. Don't take it at face value though because I've known them to be incorrect a couple times...use it as a guide and test all your wires before you tie into them.

Everything is there except for the clutch bypass wire, you should be able to tap this wire at the actual clutch pedal switch (first you will need to get out the old multimeter or test light and figure out if this switches high or low, then depending on what polarity the clutch bypass output on the unit is you can either tie directly to it or use a relay.......or sometimes the actual remote unit allows you to choose the output polarity)

In addition you will also need to grab the e-brake switch wire. Just make sure you read the install instructions and follow them precisely and you should have no problems. You can pm me if you run into troubles....setting it up initially can be a bitch sometimes

Don't forget the door triggers and hood switch are crucial as well

This post has been edited by schmooot: Apr 30, 2010 - 9:50 AM

[ST-204R]

Gday. you can install a remote start on a manual car. there is kit that basicaly if controlled by an attachment that is on the gear stick.. it will only allow the car to remote star if the car is in neutral. a n/o relay that can only be closed when the gear stick is in a certain position, for the tech heads if you still are interested please let me know i have install these thing before. ive even made one and has always work with out fail. So please dont listen to all the nay sayers saying it too dangerous lol nothin cool than a car thats alreay idling before u even open the door.

i will help as much as i can

cheers mate

[solidxsnake]

I can't believe how many people missed the OP's question.

HE IS NOT LOOKING FOR A CLUTCH SWITCH BYPASS. He is looking for something to detect if the car is in gear or in neutral.

As for a remote start in a manual, I feel like it's a moot point. I used to have an auto with a remote start (my old '95 Celica) but now that I have a standard-shift car ('02 Corolla), I feel like it would be useless. I never park the car out of gear, so I couldn't use the remote start on it anyway.

[zonz540]

Theres not a neutral sensing switch in the 6th gen. I dont think i ever came across one while i was running an install bay, let alone on a car that was at least 10 years old... The OP needs to do a clutch bypass if he really wants his remote start. Thats most likely why everybody brings it up.

[mengman]

You can always make your own neutral sensor
Link
Okay its not the prettiest mod but it works , maybe ....

[KAOS]

OK I have to clear up a few things here. I've seen this type of thread a few times and most people seem to have no idea when it comes to this stuff so listen closely. You CAN install a remote start module in a manual transmission vehicle, it just has to be made for a manual transmission vehicle! People get into trouble when they install the correct one the wrong way (there are certain safety features/wires which must be hooked up), or they install the wrong one.



I have a remote start on two of my manual vehicles and there is no way to remote start them in gear because I have wires them correctly

Here is how they work

The module is tied in to the following things:
ebrake (so the module knows when the parking brake is applied)
brake pedal
clutch bypass switch (so it can start without the clutch being depressed)
door triggers (very important)

and the other standard stuff like tach signal and ignition wires.

First every time I wish to remote start my truck the module needs to be sure the truck is in neutral. You know how in an auto with a remote start you can push the button while the car is running and the module then takes over...then you can turn the key off and get out and the car stays running? Well in a manual you need to do the same thing...then the box is in ready mode.

Let me explain it a little better.

I drive my truck into the driveway and park, then I put it in neutral, pull the e-brake and push the button on my remote, the module has just taken
over running the truck. I can now turn the key off and take it out (truck is still running). Now I get out and close the door. At this point the module knows 3 things: the doors are closed, the e-brake is on, the truck is still in neutral (obviously because it is still running). When I push the button on the remote again the truck turns off. Now it is in "ready mode" and any time from this point on the truck will start when I push the button because the module knows it is not in gear. If I were to come out ten minutes later and open the door/hood/trunk the lights flash and the module turns "ready mode" off because it no longer is sure the truck is in neutral. I the have to get in, start the truck and redo the entire procedure if I wish to use the feature again.

It sounds like a lot but it is kind of routine. In the winter when I know I wish to remote start the next morning I take the extra few seconds to put the truck in "ready mode" before going inside..then it starts the next morning. If I neglect to do this I just have to live with a cold truck.

The command start on my Celica GT-S works exactly the same way; I've never had issues with it.

Just have to be smart about it I guess...

[whitie_bear]

installing a car starter on a stick shift car is just as wise as climbing over a lion fence in the zoo and having seen the lion look well fed draw an assumption that you are safe.

Most likely you WILL endanger other people. Police don't take lightly to that. Your consciousness should be a guide to tell you that you should not even try.

this is a moronic response...does ANYONE who made any accusations about remote start and manual tranny EVER HAD A REMOTE STARTER ON A CAR WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION

ITS CALLED RESERVATION MODE for all the morons out there...AUTOMATIC REMOTE STARTERS do not have this safety feature...and idiots like your friends who have almost killed themselves have installed these remote starters on their MANUAL TRANSMISSION vehicles

there are no neutral sesnors or any of that bull SH!T... what you must do before leaving your MANUAL TRANSMISSION car with a remote starter installed that accepts MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS (ensure you have engaged the manual transmission mode, this usually means cutting a jumper wire or flipping a switch)...anyway if i want to remote start, i have to leave my car in RESERVATION mode...to do this you bring your car to a stop on your driveway, you engage the ebrake, you then press on the brake pedal, you then remove keys from ignition and CAR CONTINUES TO RUN!!!! once you exit the vehicle, and the last door is closed, the car shuts off and is in RESERVATION MODE, as soon as you open a door, this procedure must be repeated if you wish to remote start (which makes the process annoying if you forgot your coat inside the car, then you have to set reservation mode again)

THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WHEN YOU HAVE THE MANUAL REMOTE STARTER INSTALLED TO LEAVE THE CAR IN GEAR.

how do i know this...well what happens if you have your car in gear, and its running and you exit the vehicle...as soon as your foot leaves that clutch its jumping down the road...therefore you would NEVER be able to leave your car in gear AND IN RESERVATION MODE as reservation mode makes you exit your car which is running!!! and if it was manual and in gear you would know about it when leaving your car


your friends who remote started and almost killed themselves or other people, had a automatic transmission style remote starter installed on their car...that is why, because they did not have to enter RESERVATION mode


there is no neutral switch...and no this is not my job, but i install alarms on friends cars etc. if you have basic alarm wiring knowledge, some of you wouldnt have made the statements you did...which is fine, but dont badmouth something you have no funking idea about!!!!

[schmooot]

installing a car starter on a stick shift car is just as wise as climbing over a lion fence in the zoo and having seen the lion look well fed draw an assumption that you are safe.

Most likely you WILL endanger other people. Police don't take lightly to that. Your consciousness should be a guide to tell you that you should not even try.

this is a moronic response...does ANYONE who made any accusations about remote start and manual tranny EVER HAD A REMOTE STARTER ON A CAR WITH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION

ITS CALLED RESERVATION MODE for all the morons out there...AUTOMATIC REMOTE STARTERS do not have this safety feature...and idiots like your friends who have almost killed themselves have installed these remote starters on their MANUAL TRANSMISSION vehicles

there are no neutral sesnors or any of that bull SH!T... what you must do before leaving your MANUAL TRANSMISSION car with a remote starter installed that accepts MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS (ensure you have engaged the manual transmission mode, this usually means cutting a jumper wire or flipping a switch)...anyway if i want to remote start, i have to leave my car in RESERVATION mode...to do this you bring your car to a stop on your driveway, you engage the ebrake, you then press on the brake pedal, you then remove keys from ignition and CAR CONTINUES TO RUN!!!! once you exit the vehicle, and the last door is closed, the car shuts off and is in RESERVATION MODE, as soon as you open a door, this procedure must be repeated if you wish to remote start (which makes the process annoying if you forgot your coat inside the car, then you have to set reservation mode again)

THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WHEN YOU HAVE THE MANUAL REMOTE STARTER INSTALLED TO LEAVE THE CAR IN GEAR.

how do i know this...well what happens if you have your car in gear, and its running and you exit the vehicle...as soon as your foot leaves that clutch its jumping down the road...therefore you would NEVER be able to leave your car in gear AND IN RESERVATION MODE as reservation mode makes you exit your car which is running!!! and if it was manual and in gear you would know about it when leaving your car


your friends who remote started and almost killed themselves or other people, had a automatic transmission style remote starter installed on their car...that is why, because they did not have to enter RESERVATION mode


there is no neutral switch...and no this is not my job, but i install alarms on friends cars etc. if you have basic alarm wiring knowledge, some of you wouldnt have made the statements you did...which is fine, but dont badmouth something you have no funking idea about!!!!

I said that already. People don't tend to read long posts

[zonz540]

What schmooot said ^
Plus, not all remote starts have a "reservation mode." When i ran an install bay a few years ago, none of the remote starts we sold had this. DEI integrated this feature just a year or two ago and its not even available on all of their models.

[f1yen]

I added a remote start to my car, installed a bypass to the clutch switch(had an aux power that could be used for that) and installed a switch on the side of my shifter stand, that is triggered when I am in 1st or 2nd. and use that as a remote starter defeat. Has come in handy, and yes I have seen my car go for some lurching b4 i made that switch. I can post pictures l8r if wanted, I have the whole center counsole exposed already for other problems.