WTB: 3s or BEAMs, lol just curious whats out there. Options

[JuMPiiN]

So im pretty sure my 2.2 just crapped out on me, and im looking into getting a 2nd or 3rd gen 3s or a BEAMs. And hopefully just using my stock tranny with a upgraded clutch and flywheel. So if anyone could tell me who to talk to about doing the swap and so on please let me know, and i would like to get my hands on one with the uncut wiring harness please. Thanks in advance for any help i get. And im looking to do this asap i have the money saved up to do so, and this is my daily so im looking to get it back on the road as soo as possible, so i figure if im going to have to put another engine in why not put in a 3s.or a BEAMs. AS if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

This post has been edited by JuMPiiN: Apr 19, 2010 - 9:03 AM

[TerBeau]

So im pretty sure my 2.2 just crapped out on me, and im looking into getting a 2nd or 3rd gen 3s or a BEAMs. And hopefully just using my stock tranny with a upgraded clutch and flywheel. So if anyone could tell me who to talk to about doing the swap and so on please let me know, and i would like to get my hands on one with the uncut wiring harness please. Thanks in advance for any help i get. And im looking to do this asap i have the money saved up to do so, and this is my daily so im looking to get it back on the road as soo as possible, so i figure if im going to have to put another engine in why not put in a 3s.or a BEAMs. AS if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

http://reading.craigslist.org/pts/1676388079.html

let me know if this listing works. It's a beams for a good price with complete harness and ecu. Let me know if ur interested I'll get shipping qouyes and do the work

[njccmd2002]

buy from ebay and there are three swapped beams threads, we can help you.

[JuMPiiN]

So im pretty sure my 2.2 just crapped out on me, and im looking into getting a 2nd or 3rd gen 3s or a BEAMs. And hopefully just using my stock tranny with a upgraded clutch and flywheel. So if anyone could tell me who to talk to about doing the swap and so on please let me know, and i would like to get my hands on one with the uncut wiring harness please. Thanks in advance for any help i get. And im looking to do this asap i have the money saved up to do so, and this is my daily so im looking to get it back on the road as soo as possible, so i figure if im going to have to put another engine in why not put in a 3s.or a BEAMs. AS if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

http://reading.craigslist.org/pts/1676388079.html

let me know if this listing works. It's a beams for a good price with complete harness and ecu. Let me know if ur interested I'll get shipping qouyes and do the work

I wouldnt have to move any transmission mounts, engine mounts ext. in order for it to work. I've been thinking for the past few weeks about this and I dont really want to go boost I think a BEAMs is my best option. Plenty of power for me, and makes a great DD.

Could you go ahead and check a shipping quote to 71111 ?

My friend orded his Honda engine from this website and i was wondering if any of you have heard of it or maybe bought from it ? www.jdmtigerjapanese.com Says they ship the engine anywhere in my state for just 180$ and thats engine and transmission. thanks in advance.

[_Jim_]

Personally, I think think the beams is a waste of money for what you get...but I know there are fans of this engine around here so I will keep it at that.

For around the same price you can swap to a GEN3 3sgte. Same amount of work, basically the same money as a beams, but much better HP, and IMO MUCH better motor...dollar for dollar.

I can get you a GEN3 3sgte with complete W2A IC system for 2200 with free shipping to your door.

Or I can do a GEN3 3sgte without the factory W2A IC system (Perfect if you want to go with a front mount intercooler) for 1800 with free shipping to your door.

So this motor is 1500 with another $200 in shipping fees, so you are at 1700 already. See what I mean that for the same amount of money you can get the GEN3 3sgte swap...which is clearly the better of the two motors.

Let me know if you are interested.

[JuMPiiN]

The only reason I'm how do you say sketchy, about the GEN3 is that I dont want to upgrade my transmission if I dont have too. I've heard that my stock one cant hold 250hp, then I've heard it should be fine with a new clutch and flywheel, and then I've heard that it could last for a week a month or years. Or i could just pay an additional like 1200 for another transmission which is what i would like to avoid doing. Im looking for something that can give me the basic amount of horsepower which is like 230ish at the most is what im after. I honestly dont want anything above that.

In all seriousness, could i just get a 5s and buy a turbo kit from you Jim ? and it give me about the same amount of HP im after ? Or should i just get a Gen2 or Gen3. I'm just scared of the Gen3 for the above reasons.

This post has been edited by JuMPiiN: Apr 19, 2010 - 7:34 PM

[njccmd2002]

beams engine is a simple drop in engine.

Yes, 3sgte is cool, but its just not a simple swap. Your stock tranny will hold, god knows how long.

Yes the e153 is available for 1000 more and then the axles, the piping, the if you do the top cooler then better get a hood, and yada yada yada.

BEams comes with its own tranny. Ill be honest with you, its not as fast as a turbo, but its fun, and better compared to the 5s.

Everybody wants 300 hp?, no. At least not me. I love my beams and dont regret it. Now parts are more rare, but it can be found.

[_Jim_]

The only reason I'm how do you say sketchy, about the GEN3 is that I dont want to upgrade my transmission if I dont have too. I've heard that my stock one cant hold 250hp, then I've heard it should be fine with a new clutch and flywheel, and then I've heard that it could last for a week a month or years. Or i could just pay an additional like 1200 for another transmission which is what i would like to avoid doing. Im looking for something that can give me the basic amount of horsepower which is like 230ish at the most is what im after. I honestly dont want anything above that.

In all seriousness, could i just get a 5s and buy a turbo kit from you Jim ? and it give me about the same amount of HP im after ? Or should i just get a Gen2 or Gen3. I'm just scared of the Gen3 for the above reasons.

Let me clear the air here on this topic. The S54 WILL BE FINE for using with a GEN3 3sgte. The S54 has been beaten to death by MANY users above and beyond 300whp (360bhp). So if you arent looking for 400whp (470bhp) then dont worry about it.

If you are looking for 230hp (about 190whp) then any motor will be fine for you.

Since you current 5s is out of commission, I would swap. If you had a perfectly running 5s, I would gladly sell you the turbo kit off of shannons car...but it wont be cost effective for you since you will have to put in another 5s. But yes, the turbo kit I am selling on a stock 5s will EASILY make 230hp at about 7psi. We made as much as 285whp (350hp) on shannons car at 17psi on a stock unopened 5s.

But for your case, I would swap to a GEN3 since you have a bum motor anyway. You will spend about them same at this point, and have a better motor. A GEN3 will make 230hp with literally no mods done to it. every mod you deide to do later will only make you happier that you went with a GEN3 3sgte. Because when the HP bug bites you, you are a bit stuck with a Beams, the same as you are with the 5sfe. Every mod you do to a GEN3 will drastically increase HP, to the point that you will feel EVERY mod you do.

So you start with your 230hp right out of the box stock GEN3, then later on add an intake for the turbo....then a boost controller and turn up the boost a bit. At this point you spent about $70 in mods and increased you HP to about 300hp (240whp)...then when you get tired of that....you throw on an exhaust system and turn the boost up to 18psi. you are now at 360hp (310whp)...etc. The GEN3 is a VERY fersitile engine and is perfect for the guy (or girl) who is looking for a little more umph then what they have now, or an all out street machine.

[JuMPiiN]

beams engine is a simple drop in engine.

Yes, 3sgte is cool, but its just not a simple swap. Your stock tranny will hold, god knows how long.

Yes the e153 is available for 1000 more and then the axles, the piping, the if you do the top cooler then better get a hood, and yada yada yada.

BEams comes with its own tranny. Ill be honest with you, its not as fast as a turbo, but its fun, and better compared to the 5s.

Everybody wants 300 hp?, no. At least not me. I love my beams and dont regret it. Now parts are more rare, but it can be found.

I dont want 300hp lol ive had a car in the past that had over 300 and bc of that i wrecked it... i want half of what i had then 200ish. I figure the beams is the best bet bc all i honestly want CAI and exhaust and im happy..... Which is a honestly direct drop into a 96 GT. Like i can just take my 5s out and the tranny out and then pop in the next engine and tranny and wire everything good to go. I want something thats basic with no cutting ext.

[JuMPiiN]

The only reason I'm how do you say sketchy, about the GEN3 is that I dont want to upgrade my transmission if I dont have too. I've heard that my stock one cant hold 250hp, then I've heard it should be fine with a new clutch and flywheel, and then I've heard that it could last for a week a month or years. Or i could just pay an additional like 1200 for another transmission which is what i would like to avoid doing. Im looking for something that can give me the basic amount of horsepower which is like 230ish at the most is what im after. I honestly dont want anything above that.

In all seriousness, could i just get a 5s and buy a turbo kit from you Jim ? and it give me about the same amount of HP im after ? Or should i just get a Gen2 or Gen3. I'm just scared of the Gen3 for the above reasons.

Let me clear the air here on this topic. The S54 WILL BE FINE for using with a GEN3 3sgte. The S54 has been beaten to death by MANY users above and beyond 300whp (360bhp). So if you arent looking for 400whp (470bhp) then dont worry about it.

If you are looking for 230hp (about 190whp) then any motor will be fine for you.

Since you current 5s is out of commission, I would swap. If you had a perfectly running 5s, I would gladly sell you the turbo kit off of shannons car...but it wont be cost effective for you since you will have to put in another 5s. But yes, the turbo kit I am selling on a stock 5s will EASILY make 230hp at about 7psi. We made as much as 285whp (350hp) on shannons car at 17psi on a stock unopened 5s.

But for your case, I would swap to a GEN3 since you have a bum motor anyway. You will spend about them same at this point, and have a better motor. A GEN3 will make 230hp with literally no mods done to it. every mod you deide to do later will only make you happier that you went with a GEN3 3sgte. Because when the HP bug bites you, you are a bit stuck with a Beams, the same as you are with the 5sfe. Every mod you do to a GEN3 will drastically increase HP, to the point that you will feel EVERY mod you do.

So you start with your 230hp right out of the box stock GEN3, then later on add an intake for the turbo....then a boost controller and turn up the boost a bit. At this point you spent about $70 in mods and increased you HP to about 300hp (240whp)...then when you get tired of that....you throw on an exhaust system and turn the boost up to 18psi. you are now at 360hp (310whp)...etc. The GEN3 is a VERY fersitile engine and is perfect for the guy (or girl) who is looking for a little more umph then what they have now, or an all out street machine.

your a good salesman ! haha but anyways if it can hold 300 at the most, and is a direct swap with my stock transmission i'll go this route. I just thought the BEAMs was easier But if the 3s swap is direct and easy then i'll prob be going this route. You said you could ship it to my door or the shop im doing it at for 1700 ?

[_Jim_]

beams engine is a simple drop in engine.

Yes, 3sgte is cool, but its just not a simple swap. Your stock tranny will hold, god knows how long.

Yes the e153 is available for 1000 more and then the axles, the piping, the if you do the top cooler then better get a hood, and yada yada yada.

BEams comes with its own tranny. Ill be honest with you, its not as fast as a turbo, but its fun, and better compared to the 5s.

Everybody wants 300 hp?, no. At least not me. I love my beams and dont regret it. Now parts are more rare, but it can be found.

Why is the GEN3 3sgte not an easy swap? Did you have to do wiring to make your Beams swap work...YES. Now I havent looked into what is involved in coverting a beams harness, but I have done several GEN3 3sgte swaps...and the wiring is cake.

He has a GT, so he has a trans...so that is a saving right there. and IT WILL HOLD.

No need for Intercooler piping if you keep the stock W2A IC which is very efficient....and you seem to be miss informed on this...The stock W2A IC WILL CLEAR a stock USDM hood.

I just dont get the hipe I suppose. I dont see the point in buying a beams for the same money as a GEN3 3sgte when you get nothing out of it.

Gen3 makes more HP (which you dont HAVE to run 300hp, keep it stock as hell and be happy with the 230hp it comes with...which is more then beams to begin with) more common of a swap, more support, more performance, better availabilty of parts, and an overall bigger community.

Like I said...I know there are fans of the beams on here, which is why I dont want to turn this into a debate for those that already have it...but dollar for dollar, I cant think of one reason to swap to a beams.

[_Jim_]

your a good salesman ! haha but anyways if it can hold 300 at the most, and is a direct swap with my stock transmission i'll go this route. I just thought the BEAMs was easier But if the 3s swap is direct and easy then i'll prob be going this route. You said you could ship it to my door or the shop im doing it at for 1700 ?

Hahaha, a salesman is only as good as what he is selling. I just let the facts of how great a swap the GEN3 is sell itself, makes my job that much easier.

The S54 is a direct swap onto the 3sgte. You will just need to run a "hybrid" clutch. Tweak sells them, as well as most of the big name clutch companys. All it is, is a 5s disk with a 3s pressure plate.

If you want to go with a FMIC, I can remove the factory Water to Air Intercooler stuff, and ship it anywhere in the continental US for $1800 USD

If you want the GEN3 with complete factory Water to Air intercooler system, it is $2200 with free shipping to anywhere in the continental US.

[njccmd2002]

i retract myself and any future beams vs boost. conversations.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: Apr 19, 2010 - 8:33 PM

[JuMPiiN]

Alright and could i do the swap myself in about a weeks time ? Or would i have to take it to a shop, I have basic knowledge, I'd like to do it myself i just dont want to mess anything up.

Also I keep running into the same write up about doing this swap, It states that my stock exhaust wont bolt to the 3s so id have to get a custom one, and it says that i would need a very rare LHD wiring harness and i couldnt use the one it comes with, also it says that even if i did it myself it would still cost 5-6K which im honestlly looking to spend like 3-3500 As i dont want to clean my entire savings on my car.

This post has been edited by JuMPiiN: Apr 19, 2010 - 8:23 PM

[richee3]

BOOST!!!!!!!!

[Ted95]

beams engine is a simple drop in engine.

Yes, 3sgte is cool, but its just not a simple swap. Your stock tranny will hold, god knows how long.

Yes the e153 is available for 1000 more and then the axles, the piping, the if you do the top cooler then better get a hood, and yada yada yada.

BEams comes with its own tranny. Ill be honest with you, its not as fast as a turbo, but its fun, and better compared to the 5s.

Everybody wants 300 hp?, no. At least not me. I love my beams and dont regret it. Now parts are more rare, but it can be found.

Why is the GEN3 3sgte not an easy swap? Did you have to do wiring to make your Beams swap work...YES. Now I havent looked into what is involved in coverting a beams harness, but I have done several GEN3 3sgte swaps...and the wiring is cake.

He has a GT, so he has a trans...so that is a saving right there. and IT WILL HOLD.

No need for Intercooler piping if you keep the stock W2A IC which is very efficient....and you seem to be miss informed on this...The stock W2A IC WILL CLEAR a stock USDM hood.

I just dont get the hipe I suppose. I dont see the point in buying a beams for the same money as a GEN3 3sgte when you get nothing out of it.

Gen3 makes more HP (which you dont HAVE to run 300hp, keep it stock as hell and be happy with the 230hp it comes with...which is more then beams to begin with) more common of a swap, more support, more performance, better availabilty of parts, and an overall bigger community.

Like I said...I know there are fans of the beams on here, which is why I dont want to turn this into a debate for those that already have it...but dollar for dollar, I cant think of one reason to swap to a beams.

ive driven both, the BEAMS is a fun but it really is no comparrison to the 3s. you can still make 230hp with the 3s if you run stock boost, which is what like 14psi i believe? but when something pulls up along side of you revvvvin like crazy u can jus reach over and boost up the boost a lil and BOOOM good bye ur gone and the kid with the riced out civic is left in the dust lol.

i recently bought a 3s off of jim and im very pleased with it (i havent put it in yet tho) but buy it with the W2A IC bc there is more work if you dont bc you have to make your own FMIC. but you can still make 230hp with the 3s eassssilyyy and you cna also get alot moree to if you need too! also dustin (batman772) said in his thread that he gets 25mpg at i think 15psi which is just as good as the 5s with more then DOUBLE the hp

[hurley97]

A lot of the things you're concerned about with the 3S are the same that Cam (ted95) was, he also thought he wanted a beams. He drove our Beams and Dustin's 3S and now he owns a 3rd gen 3S.

There are fans of the Beams, I love our Beams. But those that have a Beams motor usually know they want it and its not for power goals at all. The third gen 3S definitely has more power, in that respect you get a whole lot more power and ability to expand for your money. But I do disagree that the Beams is a "waste of money" and I disagree that the 3rd gen 3S is a "better motor" because once you've had the chance to get close and see how the Beams works, its actually a very interesting and much more advanced motor overall. But very little room to expand with the Beams, it is what it is.

[TerBeau]

So im pretty sure my 2.2 just crapped out on me, and im looking into getting a 2nd or 3rd gen 3s or a BEAMs. And hopefully just using my stock tranny with a upgraded clutch and flywheel. So if anyone could tell me who to talk to about doing the swap and so on please let me know, and i would like to get my hands on one with the uncut wiring harness please. Thanks in advance for any help i get. And im looking to do this asap i have the money saved up to do so, and this is my daily so im looking to get it back on the road as soo as possible, so i figure if im going to have to put another engine in why not put in a 3s.or a BEAMs. AS if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

http://reading.craigslist.org/pts/1676388079.html

let me know if this listing works. It's a beams for a good price with complete harness and ecu. Let me know if ur interested I'll get shipping qouyes and do the work

I wouldnt have to move any transmission mounts, engine mounts ext. in order for it to work. I've been thinking for the past few weeks about this and I dont really want to go boost I think a BEAMs is my best option. Plenty of power for me, and makes a great DD.

Could you go ahead and check a shipping quote to 71111 ?

My friend orded his Honda engine from this website and i was wondering if any of you have heard of it or maybe bought from it ? www.jdmtigerjapanese.com Says they ship the engine anywhere in my state for just 180$ and thats engine and transmission. thanks in advance.

ill call the guy tomorrow!! and get info and go look at it! and ill see if i canget a shipp quote

[TerBeau]

So im pretty sure my 2.2 just crapped out on me, and im looking into getting a 2nd or 3rd gen 3s or a BEAMs. And hopefully just using my stock tranny with a upgraded clutch and flywheel. So if anyone could tell me who to talk to about doing the swap and so on please let me know, and i would like to get my hands on one with the uncut wiring harness please. Thanks in advance for any help i get. And im looking to do this asap i have the money saved up to do so, and this is my daily so im looking to get it back on the road as soo as possible, so i figure if im going to have to put another engine in why not put in a 3s.or a BEAMs. AS if someone could point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated.

http://reading.craigslist.org/pts/1676388079.html

let me know if this listing works. It's a beams for a good price with complete harness and ecu. Let me know if ur interested I'll get shipping qouyes and do the work

ok hw said it was out of a 98 celica rhd wireing harnessso u may need to extend the harness or something so basically he said its basically a strait drop! in

[JuMPiiN]

I actually emailed that guy and he told me he'd take 1200 for it. I think im honestly going to go BEAMs. I dont have big power goals honestly and im looking to do it myself. Thanks for your offer Jim but i think imma go BEAMs just to be different and one of the few who has one. Like i said im not looking for power. Plus i honestly dont think i have the money to maintain a 3s or even swap it in. Bc what if my tranny does give then im SOL lol.

[njccmd2002]

if you going beams, please, please read my signature.

meaning, get a complete engine

[Ted95]

I actually emailed that guy and he told me he'd take 1200 for it. I think im honestly going to go BEAMs. I dont have big power goals honestly and im looking to do it myself. Thanks for your offer Jim but i think imma go BEAMs just to be different and one of the few who has one. Like i said im not looking for power. Plus i honestly dont think i have the money to maintain a 3s or even swap it in. Bc what if my tranny does give then im SOL lol.

well if you go beams expect to have a loudd asss car lol, stefs and dustins beams (hurley97 and batmann772) is pretttty loud bc its a N/A motor. but ya make sure the guy has EVERYTHING you need for the swap. goodluck my dude.

[JuMPiiN]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

This post has been edited by JuMPiiN: Apr 20, 2010 - 9:09 AM

[Ted95]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

they did it themselves at mannys (presure2) garage, manny helped out with the swap as well. anddd i dont have the answers for the axels but i think u need new ones, dont quote me on that lol.

This post has been edited by Ted95: Apr 20, 2010 - 1:46 PM

[_Jim_]

GL with the Beams Jumpin, let us know how it goes.

And for the Beams fans...maybe I was a bit harsh saying waste of money. I should have said over priced. I would consider the beams swap a "nice" swap for someone in this situation who blew up there 5sfe and needs to pull the motor anyways, but not for 1700 shipped to his door. A new low mileage 5s will run you about $600.....so if the beams swap was say $800, then hell why not.

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

The way I see it is, the person who wants to swap to a beams, more then likely (but not always) blew up there 5s, and there mentality is since they need to pull the motor anyway, why not just throw in something with a bit more power, right? Well that makes sense to me, but the money they are spending on a Beams swap...they can get a 98+ 5s motor (which is a GREAT motor by the way, ESPECIALLY if you plan of ever boosting down the road), and a set of performance cams for the 98+ 5s motor....which will give them the kick in power they are looking for, TRULY be a drop in swap, no wiring needed, AND they can still pass emissions....and STILL be under the cost of Beams swap.

So the question is this...Why spend the money, and the aggravation on a Beams swap (aggravation meaning wiring, transmission, axles, JDM motor not having everything required for the swap. and emissions), when you can get basically the same thing with a cammed 98+ 5sfe, and you dont have to worry about ANYTHING, including emissions?

[samir0189]

GL with the Beams Jumpin, let us know how it goes.

And for the Beams fans...maybe I was a bit harsh saying waste of money. I should have said over priced. I would consider the beams swap a "nice" swap for someone in this situation who blew up there 5sfe and needs to pull the motor anyways, but not for 1700 shipped to his door. A new low mileage 5s will run you about $600.....so if the beams swap was say $800, then hell why not.

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

The way I see it is, the person who wants to swap to a beams, more then likely (but not always) blew up there 5s, and there mentality is since they need to pull the motor anyway, why not just throw in something with a bit more power, right? Well that makes sense to me, but the money they are spending on a Beams swap...they can get a 98+ 5s motor (which is a GREAT motor by the way, ESPECIALLY if you plan of ever boosting down the road), and a set of performance cams for the 98+ 5s motor....which will give them the kick in power they are looking for, TRULY be a drop in swap, no wiring needed, AND they can still pass emissions....and STILL be under the cost of Beams swap.

So the question is this...Why spend the money, and the aggravation on a Beams swap (aggravation meaning wiring, transmission, axles, JDM motor not having everything required for the swap. and emissions), when you can get basically the same thing with a cammed 98+ 5sfe, and you dont have to worry about ANYTHING, including emissions?

rarity, 1st vvti motor, etc. people will do what they wanna do...... no need for everyone to argue about whats best, or whats the best value, or who is right or who is wrong, these are all feasible S engine swaps. I think the reason njccmd backed out is cause it is useless arguing on something that is just a preference, there need not be a reason for why people swap what, they can do what they want with their car and their money.

I mean no offense to anyone, i just see this as pointless myself.

[Nartanian]

Truth. He did ask for advice though, so advice was given. 3S is the way to go if you plan on making 300+ whp in the future. I don't think 300 whp is an insane amount of power. It' also depends on what dyno is being used.

This post has been edited by Nartanian: Apr 20, 2010 - 3:07 PM

[samir0189]

Truth. He did ask for advice though, so advice was given. 3S is the way to go if you plan on making 300+ whp in the future. I don't think 300 whp is an insane amount of power. It' also depends on what dyno is being used.

i guess...... Anyway......... I'm outta this thread. Good luck to OP.

This post has been edited by samir0189: Apr 20, 2010 - 3:16 PM

[JuMPiiN]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

[hurley97]

Appreciate it, He says he has everything. What all do i exactly need just to make sure he has everything ? And do i just use my 5s transmission axles or do i have to by new ones for this LSD transmission ? Also i just read your write up hurley and batman, you said it was pretty simple about how much did it cost to install, if u dont mind me asking, including belts, pumps, ext. And for the badass exhaust ?

You can just use your GT axles, thats what we have in our Beams.
Like ted95 said, we did it ourselves in a friends garage. The exhaust we bought our own muffler and resonator and some piping and had manny put it all together. As far as parts go, I'll have to look up what it all cost.

[njccmd2002]

But let me ask you beams fans this (and njccmd2002, dont back out the 3sgte vs beams debates, there is no need for that)...

Well Jim since you pointed me out, and i decided previously to retract and you brought me back, now its my turn to rant.

Getting pretty tired of your attitude.

it seems like you are a 3SGTE supporter, im supposed to be a Beams fan. Gotta a problem?

You sell 3sgte, i dont sell beams.

Everytime a beams post comes in, and I support people, to go ahead you come in to sell your engines.

Numero Uno: There is a for sale section.

Numero Dos: Leave me out of your discussions.

Numero Tres: No matter if you are wrong or right, I really dont care anymore. The customer is always right. If you are sellling, then you are not a customer.

If people want beams, let them have beams. Want to sell engines, start a thread.

To the OP, and moderators, sincere apology, no need to close the thread, it just makes me ill that JIM comes in and bashes me and with intent to sell.

Yeah, hes been long timer and great supporter, i respect that. I dont know anything about cars, and to those who know me, well you probably have figured out what i do.

To JIm, sorry dude, but you should have kept me out of it. In your words you just said that i bought a worthless engine.

No dude, i bought what I wanted. Its all about preference, and not boost. Im not a fan, but an enthusiast. I do not sit with the crowds and cheer. I did it myself. Yeah, like you said a worthless accomplishment.

The 3SGTE IS A GREAT ENGINE, no need to force feed it to people.

Im out of here.

Respectfully,

me.

[_Jim_]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

Yes, that is another option. You can absolutely do that.

[JuMPiiN]

Wait.... so Jim your saying i could honestly just get another 5s for about 600 bux and turbo it and make the power im looking for and keep my axles and EVERYHTING else with no headaches bc im NOT looking for any headaches at all.

Yes, that is another option. You can absolutely do that.

if that's the case I'm going to do this I get the hp I desire and get a bov, which I miss and love, and I get no headaches sounds like a win to me

[_Jim_]

njccmd2002, there is no attitude on my end, nor is there a reason to close this thread.

Yes, I know there is a for sale section, in fact we are IN IT, so yes I am very aware. I do not care what engine anyone puts in there car, I am glad that you are happy with your choice of engine. That is the name of the game, to spend your money on what you want.

I dont ever put YOU down. I would never do that, I dont even know you. When the topic comes up of "which engine should I get..a beams or a 3sgte" you shouldnt take a personal offense when I say IMO dont bother with the beams. It is not an attack on YOU because you own a beams, why would you think that?

I have only broght your name up in this thread because I saw that you had said you werent going to post anymore about beams vs 3sgte's...and I didnt want that. At that point I knew I had offended you, and I had no means of doing so, which I said you shouldnt stop posting. You took it the wrong way as I was "calling you out on something." This was not the case.

Yes I sell engines, and most them are sold via PM's...not the FS section. I only bring it to his attention that I sell GEN3 3sgte's because he had a WTB...seemed like the write place to post it. If it seems as tho I am constantly calling you out about the beams (which i am not, and would never do) you reply to as many beams post or beams/3sgte post as I do. So a lot of the time we are in the same post talking about two different engines, with two very different opinions. Again, dont take my feelings towards the beams as an attack towards you, it is not. Just the same as if you had negative things to say about the GEN3 3sgte, or LSD E153, or turbo kit I run, etc....I would not take it as a personal attack towards me. A wise man once told me...."opinions are like asshole's, everyone has one and they all stink." LOLOLOL, so true.

No hard feelings bud.

[JuMPiiN]

Anyone reccommend and place to order a good condition 5s from ? And Jim if you havnt parted your kit in a few months and still have i plan to buy it or maybe i can PM you and try to source the parts i need.

Also i want to thank EVERYONE for there input in this thread. It helped alot more than what you may think so thank you for your comments and advice but the turbo'd 5s sounds basically perfect to me.

[_Jim_]

Anyone reccommend and place to order a good condition 5s from ? And Jim if you havnt parted your kit in a few months and still have i plan to buy it or maybe i can PM you and try to source the parts i need.

Also i want to thank EVERYONE for there input in this thread. It helped alot more than what you may think so thank you for your comments and advice but the turbo'd 5s sounds basically perfect to me.

Awesome man, I glad you got what you needed out of this. This is the whole point. As for the 5s, call around your local junkyards. You want one from a 98+. It is just a better motor.

[hurley97]

If you were concerned about boost before, probably not that great of an idea to do a 5sfte. Its a lot more high maintenance than a factory motor, either one you go with. Just my $0.02 .

I didn't really go through a lot of the arguments or be biased to one motor or the other but just tried to answer some questions and clear up some info. The Beams swap is really not aggravation, actually its kind of an easier swap than the 3S. Keep in mind this is coming from someone who has been very involved in both swaps. There is actually less wiring, it comes with an LSD tranny and your 5S axles fit perfectly. You just need to make sure your motor set is complete (i.e. includes ecu, afm, air box, etc) as with any swap. And its really not that expensive of a swap either.

As for the 3S, there is a lot more expansion room to make a lot more hp. The wiring is a little more involved, its a lot easier if you have the relay boxes and everything that most motor sets don't come with. You can use your GT tranny, non-lsd, but you do get a lot more use out putting in an e153 but then you need to worry about the axle situation.

In terms of emissions and state inspections, they are both illegal and neither meet any US specs.

[JuMPiiN]

Ha well luckily for me in my state there really isn't any emmissions from what I've read on the Internet, honestly the only thing I'm concerned about is matenince ( so for mispelling bc of iPhone) anyways I'm concerned with that and the expense of the swap I have about 3K right now so basically the 3s is out of the question. I can do another 5s but have like what 100hp maybe, or I could do the Beams which I think looks awsome and sounds mean as hell, ad come with a LSD tranny, and I can use my axles which are brand new, only problem I would have is wiring bc I don't want to cut a wrong wire or hook it up wrong and no one who has done swaps lives anywhere close to me lol.

[njccmd2002]

believe me, the wiring part is easy.

[JuMPiiN]

I just want to know exactly how much it would cost to swap it in myself. Including new belts and such where as taking it to a shop charging like 600 or more to do it. i think i could do it in a weeks time. If its in my price range im down to be the next BEAMs owner i like it because its different and looks sick.

[Toyota_Celica_97]

just my opion if ima do a swap and had the money, idid go for the 3sgte, there a few on ebay, but get a front gt4 clips so you wont have to run round looking for parts. my friend got a front gt4 clips and its get, you get the front bumber, hood, fender, and all the stuff youll need to get. he got his for 3000g only.



heres one on ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-94-OEM-...sQ5fAccessories

This post has been edited by Toyota_Celica_97: Apr 20, 2010 - 11:42 PM

[JuMPiiN]

I actually looked at that clip and called about it and no one answered the calls on PMs. Honestly i think either a 5s is good for a DD with a turbo down the road or that Redtop beams..... It may only have 200 horse's but man oh man i think it looks so sick and sounds awsome. And it honestly puts me in my exact power range the Redtop and the turbo'd 5s.