FINAL pictures for 6gc.net calendar 2013, Voting ended! Read topic for more DETAILS ON PAGE 3 please. Options

[malpaso]

EDIT II: Tuesday, September 11th, 1300 CET.
thanks to two reasons stopping the poll sooner...

Reason no.1: some people do not follow instruction and not voting as requested = lessons learnt: only public voting has sense
Reason no.2: just today I noticed I forgot to add one picture set (I have used is as an example and finally forgot to list it in... what a shame). = lessons learnt: count twice (or better even more times) before submit anything...

Results after four days were:



Now preparing some conclusion how will final calendar look like.

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EDIT: Friday, September 7th, 1300 CET.

...here it is. Complete list of all pictures. I worked with what I had ready for printing only.

Cover is clear: The featured ride



Pictures are two and will be used separately (left one by the calendar, right one on own page = not as displayed below!).

First picture is NON 6gc.net member so "Unknown" (creator Redsun):

1) "Unknown"

The rest are 6GC.NET members:

2) Rzeski



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3) Timmyface


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4) Chromed


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5) Urputus


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6) UndaGrwnD


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7) malpaso



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8) jcbass7



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9) Tigawoods



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10) Rusty


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11) RoyO



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12) margo


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13) Diegohiga


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14) Gintaras


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15) Cheela


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16) gt4pl



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17) jordisonjr


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18) RedSun



This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 11, 2012 - 10:00 AM

[malpaso]

just one addition that came to my mind (since I see what layout you prefer)... We may use design of page like this:


Advantage would be that I can use also posted pictures with lower resolution (placed by the calendar) so there will be for one month two cars (I believe we can fill it with what we have) and also there will be no vote out at all needed.

Disadvantage is that calendar sheet is smaller (in fact half of A4 = A5 size) and not every picture is suitable to be cropped as you can see... anyway I believe I still can work with that. So this is just about if calendar size is fine four everyone...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 3, 2012 - 7:40 AM

[SwissFerdi]

What about adding a single calendar page for the overflow photos? You can use it as a credits page of sorts too, place a nice logo for yourself.

[Ehrgeiz]

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

[RoyO]

Nice photos!! I don't see marcov's Celica?

[UndaGrwnD]

He did not have any high res pics i think...

[smkr3w]

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

It's not photoshopped. He used different exposure and shutter settings on his camera. So technically the picture is untouched and an amazing photo

[diegohiga]

yeah you can remove the signTure thats fine

[Ehrgeiz]

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

It's not photoshopped. He used different exposure and shutter settings on his camera. So technically the picture is untouched and an amazing photo

Wow really? That's crazy. Nevermind me then.

[Tigawoods]

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

It's not photoshopped. He used different exposure and shutter settings on his camera. So technically the picture is untouched and an amazing photo

he had to photoshop the rig out

[Box]

Some very nice looking cars!

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 3, 2012 - 7:24 PM

[malpaso]

Nice photos!! I don't see marcov's Celica?

He did not have any high res pics i think...

Exactly... have not received anything from him.

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

fact it is "fake rolling shot" is obvious even for me (and I never been closer than 6000miles to his house in my life ). It is not important anyway. It is one of the three best shots here (IMO).

Anyway. We need to discuss two important things:

a) Accept or not pictures of non 6gc.net members (permission to use can give only only who made picture so there should be pictures of cars outside 6gc.net community). Is this an issue?

my opinion: sure better having 6gc.net people BUT better great picture of non-member's car than ugly one of member's car. I will look on every picture for one month so better have something really nice to see there.

b) What about that layout? Two sided A4 is prefred one (even just with 58%) so we can use instead huge A4 calendar sheet half for second picture and half for the sheet (see example in second post).

my opinion: I understand reason why people wants double A4 (even if I prefer single page calendar). To have opportunity to make notes in calendar sheet is fine. Still believe this opportunity is not any less with A5 sized sheet = we can use every posted picture and say "thank you" to all people who wanted to participate on this calendar. Enthusiasm is so rare in those days and I would like to appreciate it.

[smkr3w]

First of all, I love Timmyface's car. But his car is obviously parked in his driveway, yet photoshopped to appear as if he's driving at high speed. Looks weird to me.

It's not photoshopped. He used different exposure and shutter settings on his camera. So technically the picture is untouched and an amazing photo

he had to photoshop the rig out

I stand corrected


Anyway, I would like to have only members but I guess the important thing is that the cars look good, so whatever works for you Martin I trust your good taste.

Also I think a full calendar instead of half the page would be best.. just my .02

[malpaso]

I tried to do more than just draft and found this:

When half of bottom page is used for calendar grid will have 21 x 26 mm (0.8 x 1.0 inch) for each day of a month. And as I said I can use all pictures (even those great with lower resolution)





When I use full A4 page size of grid will not be doubled because limitation is height. height can me maximum 1.3 inch. Reason is I need 7 rows (name of the day + 6 possible week rows because for example September 2013 will need it) and height of A4 page can not handle more. So space for everyday will be like 1.8 x 1.3 inch and looking like this in the end:





I want this to be clear to not make anyone disappointed because it may not be enough. I really need to have space below (gray in the picture). So height +30% and width is double than first example. Hope it is fine.

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 4, 2012 - 4:20 AM

[Timmyface]

You's can choose whatever of them 3 photos i sent in, i don't mind Nearly everyone would have seen them, so just suggest one?

I also agree that it should only be 6GC Members. Some of them cars are from the Polish forum, in which they already have their own calender to get into?

3rd point. I think just stick to the 1 car per month. You could even ask people birthdays and include them in the calendar? haha
Whats the grey area on the bottom needed for?

[malpaso]

You's can choose whatever of them 3 photos i sent in, i don't mind Nearly everyone would have seen them, so just suggest one?

I also agree that it should only be 6GC Members. Some of them cars are from the Polish forum, in which they already have their own calender to get into?

3rd point. I think just stick to the 1 car per month. You could even ask people birthdays and include them in the calendar? haha
Whats the grey area on the bottom needed for?

Seems we are close to some conclusion .
1. there will be voting to choose just 12 cars from all with sufficient resolution
2. I will allow votes also for non-members BUT will mark them clearly as non-members to make everyone to choose if picture is more than membership (or not).
3. calendar grid will have own page to have it as big as possible. That gray part is there just to highlight space I need for other months. It is not needed for December 2013 but will be for September 2013 for sure because September 7 weeks (1st of September is Sunday and 30th of September is Monday) that means one more row than December has.

[Timmyface]

if the sizing is a problem for the grid, you could do something like this:


Either way i don't mind
Let people vote on my pics if some dont like the rolling shot one.

[smkr3w]

^ Everything he said

[malpaso]

if the sizing is a problem for the grid, you could do something like this:


Either way i don't mind
Let people vote on my pics if some dont like the rolling shot one.

good point with that grid. anyway. I would prefer you pick one and I will replace current one. It is your choice which one you think is the best (I just picked the most interesting one for me to the listing).

Anyone else can do the same! That is why I still wait with the poll. I want everyone who shared with more than one picture has the chance to agree/disagree with the choice I made for him first.

Thank you!

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 4, 2012 - 7:04 AM

[RedSun]

Also I have received from Redsun another two great shots... It proves you are great photographer and having opportunity use your great skills for 6gen Celicas.

I don't think that I'm that great but I always had great fun while photographing cars... thank you for your opinion, it's an honor to me I have many, many more shots of 6gen from Celica Club Poland's summer meeting, but that's another story

and yes, in fact, they're from polish Celica Club, not 6gc - still you can use them if you want, the owners said they'd be glad if it's no problem to you

[jcbass7]

the more celicas the better, I don't need the extra space to write on a calender, I like the idea of having everyone included

[Urputus]

1) I agree with the picture you chosed in my case;
2) I don't like the idea to write anything to the calendar. I think that if I write anything to it, I'll destroy it. If I want to write anything to the calendar, I use another calendar without pictures. But I know, that the majority here voted for two-sided calendar, so I would prefere to minimize the grid so a halve page may be used for the second picture;
3) I don't mind if you add the pictures of the celicas of non members to the poll.

All the pictures are very nice, so I can't wait to see the calendar in my hands

[Timmyface]

You could have the small grid, and have a second photo of the same car down the bottom!

[Margo]

hey, I'm Margo from Celica Club Poland, the white SS-III is mine, it would be nice for me to include Redsun's photo in the poll

[trdproven]

theres some nice cars here, but i think last years selection had a bit more fully setup looking celicas. either way, it should be good one.

[malpaso]

Thank you everyone for inputs. I do not buy thematic calendars (and now I have even two - 6gc.net and celica-club.lv one hanging on the wall - and both I take "for viewing purpose only") for making notes. To not forget things I have electronic diary (with alerts as only way how to not forget ). So fully agree with less grid - more Celicas opinion. From design view (as my taste say) is more nice to see second picture of the same car than two different once (usually because made by two different photographers with different style and composition) and it is disturbing... at least for me. But that is not important. We have the list now and I believe the list is complete. Those days in fact receiving only "second" or "third" pictures of the same car to have more material to work with. What is great and also opens opportunity to really have two pictures of the one car used. In fact I have almost for all cars more than one picture...

So if it were just about me I would use:

- double A4 format
- smaller calendar grid (A5 size as you see below)
- two pictures of the same car (one full A4, second remaining A5 size by the grid)



On Friday I would start poll in this topic (just by editing original post and adding vote buttons) with pair pictures for everyone involved and leaving it one week running. Everyone would have chance to pick 11 favorite pairs. And that would be the trick . Last month of 2013 will be used for mixture of remaining pictures (6 if counting right). Because I really would like to thank everyone for enthusiasm and participation this way.

[Timmyface]

I vote that 😃 you'd have 2 photos of my car there that would work

[smkr3w]

I second that vote

[Urputus]

Would "I third that vote" be grammatically correct?

[trdproven]

looks pretty nice Martin, plus it would make it more expensive and more work for you to do a more advanced looking Calendar. do you think some smaller pictures would supplement the cars featured?

[malpaso]

VOTE 11 FAVORITE SETS PLEASE!!!

[Tigawoods]

eh....i dont like my 2 picture setup

[malpaso]

eh....i dont like my 2 picture setup

Sorry... i worked only with I had in high ress only. From you had one main picture + another two from last year. If you send replacement I swap that smaller picture in the source image. Sooner the better!

NOTE: the same it was for Rusty (2nd. picture used from old batch 2011 as only one I could - you have old design of the car on rest and it is really noticeable). Please send replacement if you want to as well.

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 7, 2012 - 8:21 AM

[Tigawoods]

try switching the two I suppose. I cant think of any other shots that would fit into that scheme. I wanted the rear shot to be the main, but center the rear shot in the small vertical frame so that the dual exhaust is shown atleast. And hopefully you will have enough room to fit the whole car in the other frame. lmk if that works

[malpaso]

try switching the two I suppose. I cant think of any other shots that would fit into that scheme. I wanted the rear shot to be the main, but center the rear shot in the small vertical frame so that the dual exhaust is shown atleast. And hopefully you will have enough room to fit the whole car in the other frame. lmk if that works

ok... I hope I got it right and it is as you wanted this way now.



This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 7, 2012 - 11:53 AM

[Rusty]

NOTE: the same it was for Rusty (2nd. picture used from old batch 2011 as only one I could - you have old design of the car on rest and it is really noticeable). Please send replacement if you want to as well.

Will try get a new photo. What type of shot do you want? suggestions

[diegohiga]

hey i dont like my 2nd pic either its cut. can you get the whole car but smaller to fit it?

[Box]

That was a hard test.

[cheela]

I sent you the new pics that you requested. You can use any of those that you want.

[diegohiga]

since my 2nd is cut and you cant see the front or the rear of the car which looks weird. can you put this one as main (i can send you the pics if you dont have them in high resolution)

these as second like rzeski because i dont have any vertical photos?



This post has been edited by diegohiga: Sep 8, 2012 - 2:43 AM

[malpaso]

since my 2nd is cut and you cant see the front or the rear of the car which looks weird. can you put this one as main (i can send you the pics if you dont have them in high resolution)

these as second like rzeski because i dont have any vertical photos?

Correct. I have those 3 pictures ONLY from you and as I said I worked with what I had in high resolution. There are two from the same angle (side) and one from front-side view. One I needed to crop a lot. I fact to cut half of the picture away. How many options I had? Composition of all pictures totally ignore rule of third so there is no space to cut at all not touch body of the car. As you write only other option is to use two pictures. For rzeski I used two pictures because they are not in high resolution (already wrote that... 30% less). When used two pixel height is doubled = for printing fine. With you I had not that problem. anyway I did what you wanted... all three used:

[diegohiga]

if having the smaller pic of the same angle could be an issue i also have this one in high resolution. is this pic better? or just leave that one?

[malpaso]

if having the smaller pic of the same angle could be an issue i also have this one in high resolution. is this pic better? or just leave that one?

IMO this is the best picture from the list. please send me high resolution one to my mail. It will be used for sure!

[malpaso]

People... sad to say that but I'm really disappointed. I expected everyone who participate in poll will simply pick 11 pictures as asked and done. Unfortunately simple mathematic (count all votes and divide by 11) you find:

a) result is not divisible by 11 = definitely not all voters gave exactly 11 votes...

b) when result divided by eleven there are still SEVEN voters more than should be... that means someone just make "null votes" and leave (why should someone do this???) or there are people giving votes just to few (probably just one) car... that makes me sick honestly.

I asked to pick 11 favorites. 11, not less... next time I can pick those pictures by my self and save time of everyone. Result would be the same: manipulated.

[Timmyface]

There's still 6 people that are significantly lower, than you have to pick 1 from the 3 people with 12 votes.
I say you choose!

[UndaGrwnD]

''You have already voted in this poll ''

[malpaso]

There's still 6 people that are significantly lower, than you have to pick 1 from the 3 people with 12 votes.
I say you choose!

That is not the point mate... there is still few days left (I will close it on Friday, 1300 CET time) and those few days can change everything.

My point of view is when someone is hunting for votes in "just vote for me and let ONLY ME jump higher to be sure I'm one of those 11" style, why to bother with votes result at all in the end... In fact is no difference between:

1) me making choice who from those 3 with the same amount of votes (or more, or less in the future) on the last place (so respecting result of manipulated votes by someone + making own choice).

2) me making own choice what 11 pictures should be there first of all (and in fact "manipulate" it my self) to show to all "vote cheaters" the finger...

That is what makes me sad.

[Tigawoods]

its unavoidable with this open polling system. Its not restricted enough to the point where it wont let you cast your vote until you pick 11.


Unless if you where to take the poll to some free online "create a poll" with better structure, and share the link here.
Otherwise this is what happens.

[malpaso]

its unavoidable with this open polling system. Its not restricted enough to the point where it wont let you cast your vote until you pick 11.
Unless if you where to take the poll to some free online "create a poll" with better structure, and share the link here.
Otherwise this is what happens.

Yea... and you know what is the most sad thing? Like two hours ago I wrote how sad is people simply can not make 11 votes exactly as being asked. Now we have +2 voters in the counter but just for 7 votes more in total vote count... This is hopeless .

[Tigawoods]

Maybe some people don't know how to count to 11.
cant rule that possibility out


If you want, just pick the 11 yourself. I really don't care who or what is in this calendar (even myself)

[SwissFerdi]

Yea... and you know what is the most sad thing? Like two hours ago I wrote how sad is people simply can not make 11 votes exactly as being asked. Now we have +2 voters in the counter but just for 7 votes more in total vote count... This is hopeless .

The internet is full of stupid. I say let the poll run, close it at the determined time, and if there is error, you should choose the pictures. It is not necessarily bias because you are the calendar creator, and you have a great eye for photography, so it will turn out fine. Play god with the Celicas, Martin...

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Sep 10, 2012 - 7:55 AM

[cheela]

yeah,... welcome to the internet. Where people forget about grammar, education, morals, and counting.

I say the same, you vote in the end. I can trust you.

[malpaso]

Thanks folks for support... just noticed again the same between 37 and 39 voters... two more people voted but just 12 votes added... that means one of those voted just for one car... OK. I need to make one decision because I am idiot...:

a) I stared poll and believed people will follow the poll rules.
b) Just now I noticed I forgot to add one more set - set of azian_advanced...

so this poll has no sense anymore so we have two ways to go:

- we can make public voting. Everyone who want to vote must do it by posting the list... done. Zero chance for cheating.
- I will use some kind of random number generator and select 10 for full page and rest of the pictures share to two remaining months.

sorry

[malpaso]

So... I believe I have found the best result for calendar 2012. Results chosen fully randomly this time and when I prepared draft (no nicks added, just one calendar sheet used, no months selected for anyone yet) it do not see that bad at all. See for your self.

cover:



12 pages:




































Opinon please! Thank you so much.

[UndaGrwnD]

I like it!

[KAOS]

Martin;

Take my money already!

[diegohiga]

uhhhh i like it too

[Gintaras]

Master of design! Looks amazing

[Box]

Damn there are a lot of Decembers next year...

Looks really good!

[Timmyface]

I'm in!
Tip: if you go the same printer as last year, you might want to lighten up my pics and some of the other darker ones too, the blacks really came through last year 😃

[kurt95gt]

Love it!

[SwissFerdi]

Take my money already!

I'm throwing it at the screen, but nothing's happening! Must be the exchange rate.

Martin, calendar looks great as posted. It has my vote.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Sep 11, 2012 - 5:25 PM

[Timmyface]

[RoyO]

Master of design! Looks amazing

+1

[azian_advanced]

put me down for 2. i need the extra one to show off to my coworkers how awesome 6gc owners are.

[diegohiga]

yeah ill get like 3 one for my room, livimg room and bathroom haha let us know when you start taking payments

[KAOS]

put me down for 2. i need the extra one to show off to my coworkers how awesome 6gc owners are.

Yeah I'll probably snag a few this year too... Gerald - you want to ship them together and save a little bit of $$??

[Soulend]

Seconded

[malpaso]

Thanks everyone. I really had no other idea how to deal with that than this. Result is not every favorite picture has own page and also some "from the bottom" of voting sheet has. Even my self (so I definitely would re-design it my way if this was juts on me ). Just kidding... I do not this to be on some calendar (I can make own 12page if wanted ). For me is great to know there are people with enough enthusiasm to participate on something like this. And that counts...

Anyway. To not loose any more time there is for sale topic created. Please post your interest there:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=87512

note: I have added there some who mentioned interest already here so hope you not mind. Thanks again!

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 13, 2012 - 3:53 AM

[azian_advanced]

put me down for 2. i need the extra one to show off to my coworkers how awesome 6gc owners are.

Yeah I'll probably snag a few this year too... Gerald - you want to ship them together and save a little bit of $$??

damn i read this too late. i came across the other FS thread first & immediately sent in my payment.

[Rusty]

Please see Malpaso's FS thread thanks