98 5s stuck in neutral, Video of exactly what's happening uploaded last page Options

[Malhar95]

So with this parts car I have, the guy I got it from said The cv axles were bad that messed up the transition
Basically the car is in neutral. Even when we put it in park or drove it acts like its in neutral.


Any suggestions what it could be?

(when I was picking up the car, the driver side cv was being attempted to take out, like it was out of the hub nut not I pulled it a little bit but it didn't slip out, maybe the clip inside it broken, could that result in the car reacting this way?)
Itd a 98 5sfe auto

This post has been edited by Malhar95: Oct 5, 2012 - 9:50 AM

[Box]

Transmission solenoid perhaps.

[Malhar95]

Transmission solenoid perhaps.

How can I diagnose it? If im not wrog that's a cheap fix rite?

And when i say neutral i mean even when the car is off and in park, if i pukk the e brake down its gonna roll do really in neutral haha

[richee3]

I had a 5S auto tranny do that once. Here was the problem.



Result of stupidity and neutral bombing. Yours might not be as serious, as an open diff will send power through the path of least resistance. If an axle pops out of place, that's where the power will go. I find it peculiar that even in park, it still rolls. I can see where it could be either issue.

[Malhar95]

I had a 5S auto tranny do that once. Here was the problem.



Result of stupidity and neutral bombing. Yours might not be as serious, as an open diff will send power through the path of least resistance. If an axle pops out of place, that's where the power will go. I find it peculiar that even in park, it still rolls. I can see where it could be either issue.

But even if one axle pops out (not sure how that would happen but u never know) shouldn't the other side hold it?

[richee3]

Not without LSD. An open diff will send power to the missing axle.

[Malhar95]

Oh yea lol...so what can I check for?

[Smaay]

jack the car up, look behind the engine to see if the passenger axle is mounted to the block on a carrier. if it is, then take the drivers wheel off, and check to see if the drivers axle popped out.

[Malhar95]

cv axles are in...
anything else i should check? checked the fluid too btw

[Special_Edy]

Yes check the shifter linkage if you havent already.

[zfjohnson07]

well i found a 96 gt in fort worth for sale for 700 that wont shift out of neutral either, i might buy it !

[Malhar95]

well i found a 96 gt in fort worth for sale for 700 that wont shift out of neutral either, i might buy it !

Clean title? How's te body?


Sorry but what do u mean by shifter linkage (the thing that rotates when u shif get on the tranny?)
Sorry in still learning terms and names lol

[Special_Edy]

well i found a 96 gt in fort worth for sale for 700 that wont shift out of neutral either, i might buy it !

Clean title? How's te body?


Sorry but what do u mean by shifter linkage (the thing that rotates when u shif get on the tranny?)
Sorry in still learning terms and names lol

Yeah, the linkage is what connects the shifter inside the cabin to the transmission. Mine is a manual so I dont know the exact location on a Auto 6gc where it connects to the transmission but it should move some kind of arm on the transmission when you move the shifter inside the cabin.

[Malhar95]

Yup checked it it's rotating with the gears too...
Torque converter?

[Special_Edy]

The torque converter wouldnt make the transmission act like its in neutral when its in park. 90% odds its the axle and you will be back on the road soon

[richee3]

Silly question, and I'm sure it's the first thing you checked and I've just missed reading it in this thread. Have you checked the trans fluid? An auto tranny with no fluid won't move an inch.

[zfjohnson07]

http://dallas.craigslist.org/ftw/cto/3268078806.html

[Special_Edy]

Silly question, and I'm sure it's the first thing you checked and I've just missed reading it in this thread. Have you checked the trans fluid? An auto tranny with no fluid won't move an inch.

The big thing in this case is that when the car is in park it still rolls like its in neutral. Theres only a few explanations for this. Shifter linkage malfunctioning, axle shaft poped out or there is serious internal damage to the transmission

[Malhar95]

Okay I was looking at the car again today...dot j ow how I missed it before but the passenger side cv axle is bad.
The boot is completely worn and basically torn off from where the clamp holds.

It's not the side that connects to the wheel, but the side that connects to the trany.


Could this cause the car reacting like such
(I'm going to fix it regardless but until I do curiosity)

[zfjohnson07]

dont think so, i bought a 94 that was ripped and still would drive with just one axle

[Malhar95]

Never mind what I said earlier,
When I was trying to replace it, I realized that the middle boot is pretty much disconnected, so when I'm Tryin to take the but out, its rotating the complete cv. And when I started the car and put it in drive, it's rotatin from the tranny but obviously since its not really connected to the wheels the car doesn't go anywhere.

So now the question is:
What's a way to take the cv out? I can't grip on to the cv with anything can I? The only thing I can think of I'd some big ass vice grips lol

[Special_Edy]

Never mind what I said earlier,
When I was trying to replace it, I realized that the middle boot is pretty much disconnected, so when I'm Tryin to take the but out, its rotating the complete cv. And when I started the car and put it in drive, it's rotatin from the tranny but obviously since its not really connected to the wheels the car doesn't go anywhere.

So now the question is:
What's a way to take the cv out? I can't grip on to the cv with anything can I? The only thing I can think of I'd some big ass vice grips lol

Passenger-side or driver-side?

The passenger-side has a carrier bearing that is bolted to the engine block. The two bolts must be removed and the axle will then easily slide out.

The Driver-side has a 'retainer clip' on the splines of the axle that is clipped inside the differential. If you lift the car far enough, maybe 1 to 1 1/2 feet off of the ground you can pry the counterbalance(?) part of the axle shaft against the suspension crossmember with a crowbar. the axle will easily pop out. Alternatively, I used a 1 ton come-along to pull the axle on my celica the first time. I chained one end around the fat part of the axle and the other end around my pickup truck and started winching it out.

[Malhar95]

It's the passenger side,

Here's a pic

[Special_Edy]

Yeah the carrier bearing is bolted to the engine block between that broken boot and the transmission.

[Malhar95]

Yeah the carrier bearing is bolted to the engine block between that broken boot and the transmission.

Sowill replacing te cv solve the problem?

[Special_Edy]

Yeah the carrier bearing is bolted to the engine block between that broken boot and the transmission.

Sowill replacing te cv solve the problem?

If the axle is in two pieces it will. The axle needs to be replaced because of the torn boot anyways

[Smaay]

torn boot does not mean replace axle. the CV might be perfectly fine. just replace the boot

[Malhar95]

torn boot does not mean replace axle. the CV might be perfectly fine. just replace the boot

im pretty sure the complete cv is bad, b/c the bearing (things) arnt connected, looks like the inside is completely broken, i called a tow truck to take it to a transmition shop cuz i figured they're the only ones can can take it off, i cant think of any wat

[Special_Edy]

You could of done it in a day or weekend. Too bad your so far away or Id come help.

[Malhar95]

You could of done it in a day or weekend. Too bad your so far away or Id come help.

How can I do it, everytime I rotate the bolt the complete thing moves..
Lol ill come get u, the amount I'm giving to towin company ill put in a tank of gas haha
If it down that is, at least well find out why exactly is wrong

[Malhar95]

You could of done it in a day or weekend. Too bad your so far away or Id come help.

How can I do it, everytime I rotate the bolt the complete thing moves..
Lol ill come get u, the amount I'm giving to towin company ill put in a tank of gas haha
If it down that is, at least well find out why exactly is wrong

[richee3]

I've found it's helpful to have a friend hold the brakes when trying to loosen the axle nut. Sometimes an impact won't do the job as well as a 4' or 6' breaker bar.

[Special_Edy]

You need a friend to hold down the brake pedal to keep the hub from spinning. You could also brace a block between the driverseat and brake pedal then slide the seat forward till the pedal stays fully depressed. Finally you can brace a steel bar between two of the lug-nut studs to hold the hub still.

[Malhar95]

You need a friend to hold down the brake pedal to keep the hub from spinning. You could also brace a block between the driverseat and brake pedal then slide the seat forward till the pedal stays fully depressed. Finally you can brace a steel bar between two of the lug-nut studs to hold the hub still.

Had someone hold the brakes and the lug nuts, it's not the hub that's turning, because the cv isn't hookup to the Tracy, it's jus turning from the torn boot place in the picture

[Special_Edy]

We're both talking about the large nut that holds the axle into the hub right?

[Malhar95]

We're both talking about the large nut that holds the axle into the hub right?

Yea

[Special_Edy]

Yeah your probably gonna need someone to hold the brake pedal down, it will keep the hub and axleshaft from spinning. I used a 8-9 foot fence post as a breaker bar on the end of my ratchet.
For the inner half of the axle you just need to remove the two bolts with 12mm heads that hold the carrier bearing to the engine block, then the axle should easily pop out of the differential

[zfjohnson07]

if you come pick up special_edy ill come wth lol or me and him could come down there for the week in my car

[Malhar95]

If u guys wanna help I would appropriate it , I'll try to make a video explaining what's happening I don't thinks I'm doing a good job with words

[richee3]

It sounds to me like the hub is turning with the axle/nut. Having a friend hold the brakes should prevent that. But you said you've done that, so my second guess is that the axle is turning with the nut while the hub itself stays stationary? Theoretically, if the axle and hub splines are both in good condition, this isn't really possible. But things do break and splines can be stripped.

[Malhar95]

It sounds to me like the hub is turning with the axle/nut. Having a friend hold the brakes should prevent that. But you said you've done that, so my second guess is that the axle is turning with the nut while the hub itself stays stationary? Theoretically, if the axle and hub splines are both in good condition, this isn't really possible. But things do break and splines can be stripped.

That's exactly what's happening, the axle is moving with the nut, the hub isn't,

[Special_Edy]

Hmm thats bad if its like richee said, maybe a video would be the best way to confirm

[Malhar95]

I'll make one tonight, probably bad lighting but whatever helps

[richee3]

Well lets hope that its only the axle that is damaged, not the hub. Buying fewer parts is always better!

[Malhar95]

How would the hub be damaged? I'm still confused on that.
What it looks like is that axle is basically internally damaged, like where the bearings are so it's completely detached form the othe side

[richee3]

The end of the axle and the hub both have splines that interlock with each other, so the axle can spin the wheels. Of these are intact, then your hub would definitely spin with your axle. Since your axle is turning independently from the hub, that means there is an issue with the splines. With any luck, it's only the axle splines that have been damaged, so a new axle (which you need to buy anyway) will fix the issue. However, I'm willing to bet that the teeth inside the hub have been damaged as well, so you will likely need a new axle and front hub. But I'm merely speculating so don't let me scare you.

[Malhar95]

Okay makes sense. Thanks
But the thing is, if I don't have anyone press the brakes the hub also turns so that shouldn't happen from that end correct?

The easiest way I can explain is if I just start the car, and put it in drive and show what's spinning
If in trying to replace the axle (remove the nut) the opposite moves

Sorry if It doesn't make sense ill post a video soon showing

[Malhar95]

I'm sorry but this is what I could do rite now, I barely have time to jack up the car and take everything off,

I basically started the car, and put in drive, if u can see in th video, the axle side from the tranny is turnin but its not being delivered to the other side of the wheel. It's just jumping around

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/m...2C6831110D5.mp4

[Special_Edy]

Yes the passengerside cv axle is bad, order a new one

[Malhar95]

That's the problem, when I'm trying to replace it, everytime I try to take the axle nut (the big 33/32mm one holding the axle through the hub) the axle rotates because its pretty much free from the axle.

The part in the video that was turnin isn't holding he axle to allow me to take the nut off

Does that make sense :s

[zfjohnson07]

try pinch off tool i understand its not round but put it on the end and then turn it to where it will sort of hold it. also try to tighten it before you try loosening it, and then try wd-40 to make it get loose, or try heating it up. gl

This post has been edited by zfjohnson07: Oct 1, 2012 - 2:57 PM

[Special_Edy]

Watch this first one, its the best explanation youre going to find

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYAw79386WI

Another good one-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIGvhvOhLHU...;feature=fvwrel





You will understand once you watch these

[Malhar95]

Okay so I had it towed to a shop (just brakes) for the cv
I had them replace the passenger first

When he took it off, he looked at the new axle and claimed its wrong because it didn't come with a bracket that was near the middle of the axle. (Sorry didn't take pics then) after going to all 3 major stores they all said that it doesn't come with it.
So I asked him to take it off the original one that came off the car. He took a round clip off around the bearing and put it on the new one

Installed the new one and when we started the car an put it in drive, same thing

The axle is moving from the tranny side but isn't turning the wheel side

Here's a video I made just for the heck of it it' was made before he installed the new axle
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/m...42F6BDEE880.mp4

Keep in mind, that with the axle off, I turned the driver wheel and the tranny WAS turnin inside hence it should turn the passenger too

This post has been edited by Malhar95: Oct 2, 2012 - 9:23 PM

[Special_Edy]

IDK what format your video is, I cant watch it.

Anyways, the cv axle is in two pieces. Im certain it needs replaced.

You need to specify at the parts store whether you need the driverside or passengerside. The passengerside is longer and has the carrier bearing on it, which you described as a bracket. The driverside is shorter and has a big knob of metal on it, like some kind of counterweight.

[zfjohnson07]

if you want to make sre you get the right axle go to NAPA, i went to oreilleys and got screwed so i usually stick with autozone.

[Malhar95]

Went to advance, I'm pretty sure it's the right part since it was same part number as my 1st 6gc , a 95 auto 5s...pretty much the same other than year

That's what I meant, the carrier bearing didn't come with any cv, the shop used the same one,

We did replace the axle,
It's doing the same think like in the first video but instead of jumping around the boots fine so same symptom just not as loud I guess, axle is turning from transmission side, doesn't rotate/turn past carrier bearing

[Malhar95]

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/m...0A840C3EC11.mp4


Best video explains with new axle installed

This is where I'm at rite now

[Malhar95]

Did everyone stop caring about this now haha

[Special_Edy]

Did everyone stop caring about this now haha

Lol sorry, the axle is definately the issue. Its supposed to transmit power to the wheel and so it should be torsionally rigid. Perhaps the axle is to short and the middle shaft that was spinning in the video isnt engaging into the female end of the shaft on the carrier bearing.

[Malhar95]

Did everyone stop caring about this now haha

Lol sorry, the axle is definately the issue. Its supposed to transmit power to the wheel and so it should be torsionally rigid. Perhaps the axle is to short and the middle shaft that was spinning in the video isnt engaging into the female end of the shaft on the carrier bearing.

I claimed a defective part from advance they got me a new one dropped it off at the shop. Lets see is it works now

It can't be a transmission problem rite? Cuz that's what's the shop Is trying to say. I think it's a bad install

[Malhar95]

Passenger side replaced, car runs now. I can drive it, BUT the driver side still isn't turning,
The car is 1 wheel drive lol

Any suggestions? Going to transmission shop Monday thinking its the bearing inside the tranny because the axle had play inside. We could move it up/down left/right


If so how hard is it to replace how much should I be expecting to fix it?

[Box]

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This post has been edited by Box: Oct 6, 2012 - 9:21 PM

[Malhar95]

Transmission shop diagnosed it as a bad bearing
It's 400 to replace it

So after this it should be running fine.

Ill keep it updated for whoever cares haha

[Malhar95]

Transmission shop called and said the differential MIGHT be the issue so 600$ is the total so far.
Is the shop just playin me trying to get money or does it sound like a real problem doagnostics

[Smaay]

600 bucks!!! dude you can find another transmission for half that

[Malhar95]

Yea that's what I though but then u dont really know what ur getting with a junk yard trans.

I don't understan how my differential is bad if one axles turning, i don't have a LSD so...
He said "I can replace just the bearing for 400 but can't warranty it Cuz a bad diff will made them bad again" bs or truth?

[Malhar95]

Yea that's what I though but then u dont really know what ur getting with a junk yard trans.

I don't understan how my differential is bad if one axles turning, i don't have a LSD so...
He said "I can replace just the bearing for 400 but can't warranty it Cuz a bad diff will made them bad again" bs or truth?

[Special_Edy]

I dont understand why you need a transmission. Your cv axle is clearly malfunctioning, either its damaged or its installed incorrectly.

[Malhar95]

I dont understand why you need a transmission. Your cv axle is clearly malfunctioning, either its damaged or its installed incorrectly.

At first they said, the bearing that holds the cv on place is damaged so its not letting the cv stay in place and get power


Later said a bad differential made the bearing go bad

[Malhar95]

car came back today. apparently after the differential job, something suddenly happened and my torque convertor was apparently out. causing the the car to act like its in neutral once it heated up. when cold it would work fine but as soon as it heated up its like its in neurtal

few arguments witth the shop, and few days/weeks later. long story short, he rebuild most of my transmission and got me a 6month warranty.

for the car today, to-do list as of now is to replace brakes pads/rotors, replace control arm and get tires (it has 3 different sizes width and profile lol)