Operation: DARKSPYRO, AWD Conversion, Completed. Driven. Sold. Options

[Malek]

Mission: Do it right the first time

Phase 1:
-Gen 3 3sgte swap

Phase 2:
-Complete AWD conversion
-Clean


28 JAN 13
Purchased 1999 Toyota Celica from a private seller in Boulder, CO.
Apparent timing issue and suspected head gasket issue.
Drove it 30 minutes back to Golden, CO with coolant spewing. And when I got back, I beat on it some more.
Back at the shop, wasted no time tearing into it

Had to stop once to let it cool down a little


Ripping into it that night



29 JAN 13
Engine and transmission pulled

Signature Tweak pose


31 JAN 13
Ordered ST205 front clip
-coming with bumper, fenders, hood, lights and a set of projectors
-rear subframe
-rear diff, axles, brakes, drive shaft
-Ton of extra stuff I don't need






1-9 FEB 13
Ordered:
-Berk gen 3 downpipe ceramic coated with wideband bung
-Clutchmasters FX300 assembly for swap
-Triple gauge A pillar (for boost, oil press, wideband)
-Hose for remote oil pressure sender location
-Walbro gss342 + 400-765 kit
Cut a hole in the fire wall for wiring harness

9-15 FEB 13
-Have been collecting parts for the swap
-Installed new Walbro fuel pump

17 FEB 13
-Final decision has been made
FULL AWD Conversion
-I plan on using the GT suspension and GT4 brakes
-Have not decided yet to cut floor pan and weld or make custom brackets


ETA for clip 11 MARCH 13
Until then, I will be researching boost controllers and wheels.

11-18 March 13
PHASE 1: COMPLETE
see page 2
-3rd Gen 3SGTE
-FWD
-OZ Crono

30 April 13
PHASE 2: BEGINS
see page 3 and 4
-Fuel Cell
-AWD
-GT4 Brakes

This post has been edited by Malek: Jan 28, 2018 - 3:53 PM

[enderswift]

This is gonna be a good thread, I can tell already. AndI'm jealous of that clip. Let me know if you ever want to part with the rear floor

[cheela]

looks great! that clips is really clean too!

[Malek]

I'm really debating doing a full AWD swap.

I had a few subies. AWD is pretty damn cool but idk..it's quite a bit more work. I'd cut and swap floor pans..

What do you think? Do it all at once?

[richee3]

I'd keep it FWD for now and decide on the AWD conversion later. That's just me though That clip looks great! It's a shame that it's going to take so long to get here. Keep us updated!

[mkernz22]

You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?

This post has been edited by mkernz22: Feb 10, 2013 - 4:56 PM

[Malek]

You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?

I'd much rather swap over engine, tranny, rear end..than cut the top half of a car and reweld it to a different bottom half. I am not THAT confident in my welding for all of that

Ordered it from Ho Wong at Sun Shing Trading Company. They're on eBay as new_stars. I lowballed them hard core and they took it

[mkernz22]

You got a lot of good sh!t for a cheap price then! usually they send less of a rear floor pan than that lol
I'll have to write down that name for when I do something with my car in the future!

[Malek]

For sure! Not only did everything look clean, he sent me a TON of pictures, a video of it running AND has responded to my emails within 15 minutes with perfect english.

I was extremely impressed with his service.

Small Update:
Getting packages in the mail feels so good!

[Ted95]

You have a really good start to the awd conversion, this is the first clip I've personally seen as complete as this one with the rear floor ect.. There aren't many awd conversion celicas state side and would probably be one of the only ones in Colorado unless imported from up North. You could always swap down the road it's your choice.

You'd piss off alot subies up there with a fasttt awd celica haha

You have a great parts list and parts at hand should be a fun build to watch good luck man!

[ClevelandGaint]

Do you have a website or a telephone number where i can order the st205 front clip with engine?

You might as well do it if you have everything....You could just weld the front and rear clips back together, then just weld on what you need for the body / upper half and it would be a legit GT4....I mean the engine, transmission, rear end, and everything is already in there so you wouldn't need to remove anything. It kind of makes sense.

Edit: And where did you order it from?

I'd much rather swap over engine, tranny, rear end..than cut the top half of a car and reweld it to a different bottom half. I am not THAT confident in my welding for all of that

Ordered it from Ho Wong at Sun Shing Trading Company. They're on eBay as new_stars. I lowballed them hard core and they took it

[Malek]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The AWD swap is happening.

That is all.

[Ted95]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

The AWD swap is happening.

That is all.

[mkernz22]

WOOOOO

[Malek]

OK, so let's get into more of the details here.

We're talking full conversion.
E154F with axles
Super Strut, hubs, brakes
driveshaft, rear diff, gas tank.

what the hell, might as well do GT4 gauge cluster and auto climate control swap while I'm at it. Should be pretty easy since I am keeping it LHD. I'd just need to swap out interior harnesses right?? I know the auto cc has 3 sensors and I'd need to swap the 3 fan assembly but as far as the GT4 interior harness, it should fit with quite a bit of extra slack right? Correct me if I'm wrong on that..

AWD conversion:
I plan on dropping the engine and transmission in and getting everything bolted up and connected (As if it were a normal swap). Swapping out the front axle, hub, and strut assembly as one unit, if I can haha From there, I plan on starting from the transmission and working my way back making sure the brackets for the drive shafts are straight and strong. And when I get to the rear, I'll need to figure out just how much of the GT4 floor pan I will need to cut and transfer over. I'm hoping it's just the trunk area but that will most likely not be the case.

Well, damn..no longer need that hybrid clutch haha

[Malek]

yep..just collecting parts haha

[homebuilder]

Mind if I ask, where did you get the front clip with engine? What did it cost?

Looks great!

[playr158]

for the rear all you need to do is remove the spare tire well and weld in a flat panel.
Then you can remove the mounts from the underside by drilling out the tack welds and moving it over.

see here:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...5&hl=mounts

[Malek]

Mind if I ask, where did you get the front clip with engine? What did it cost?

Looks great!

Check ya PM!

for the rear all you need to do is remove the spare tire well and weld in a flat panel.
Then you can remove the mounts from the underside by drilling out the tack welds and moving it over.

see here:
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...5&hl=mounts

Much obliged

[Ted95]

Which stage clutchmasters did you go with? .. Looks like a CM box in the pic.

[Malek]

It is an FX300. Though i jumped the gun getting it because its for mating the s54 and 3sgte haha

[Malek]

11-18 MARCH 13
I took delivery of the package!


And again, I went straight to work on getting it all out and in




That size difference


Got some help


Got her in! (This pic was right at start up. I tidied up the wires and stuff. Don't worry haha)


At this point, I was having a fueling issue. I ran a 12ga wire and relay for the pump thinking it just wasn't getting enough current.
Turns out the fuel pump resistor pack wasn't completely plugged in.

Still have to fix that little gap


Finished!


References used:
-Pump wiring by Lagos
-3SGTE wiring explained
-Wiring by Manny

Phase 1 Debrief:
-I ended up pulling the frame over the 3sgte engine. Rear output shaft housing kept getting stuck in between the subframe and steering rack.
-Missed the sneaky fuel return line to the gas tank. Spewed gas all over the floor on first start up
-Fuel pump resistor pack wasn't completely plugged in. Ran for 20 seconds and then died. Plugged in now. Works.

Upcoming:
-Until Phase 2 begins, I will be focusing on cleaning everything up, exhaust, tuning, wheels, and suspension.

Stay Tuned!

[richee3]

That was fast. Good work!

[cheela]

you make it look easy. very nice work!

[bsamps4]

Good Work!!!

[ricochet1490]

How did I miss this thread?!

I can't begin to tell you how frustrating cutting spot welds are. I did mine as full rhd so I cut the firewall out. The floor pan would suck. But new-stars is great! Good buy.
You also changed the motor how I did. Drop the subframe out the front.
You would have had to have changed the steering rack though right? Or did I miss something there?
This is my kinda swap though! Quick. Enjoy it and drive it, don't spend 1500 and a years worth of time rebuilding an engine that needs no attention.

[Malek]

Thanks for the replies guys! I definitely wasted no time last week to get it done!

How did I miss this thread?!

I can't begin to tell you how frustrating cutting spot welds are. I did mine as full rhd so I cut the firewall out. The floor pan would suck. But new-stars is great! Good buy.
You also changed the motor how I did. Drop the subframe out the front.
You would have had to have changed the steering rack though right? Or did I miss something there?
This is my kinda swap though! Quick. Enjoy it and drive it, don't spend 1500 and a years worth of time rebuilding an engine that needs no attention.

Yeah, I don't think I'll be swapping floor pans haha It's easy enough to make the brackets for the rear subframe for the awd conversion! But I'm not doing rhd at all. Nothing needed with the steering rack. Unless I use the GT4 suspension, then I'd just need the tie rod ends I have emissions and visual tests and cops to worry about here so it's staying LHD. (I used to live in Dayton. I really miss their registration process )

I will definitely be driving and enjoying it

[njccmd2002]

how in gods name did that clip get delivered like that, must be heavy...

[richee3]

You can pass emissions with e 3S-GTE in Colorado? The wifey wants to move to Colorado but I'm fairly certain we couldn't register our Celica there, so I'll be interested to hear how it's done.

[Malek]

how in gods name did that clip get delivered like that, must be heavy...

2,095lbs to be exact it was..interesting to say the very least. At the distribution center loading dock, they used a fork lift to push it across the floor and into my truck. From there, I used a fork lift with fork extenders and chains to get it in the shop. Very sketchy..for sure..

You can pass emissions with e 3S-GTE in Colorado? The wifey wants to move to Colorado but I'm fairly certain we couldn't register our Celica there, so I'll be interested to hear how it's done.

I'll let you know Worst case, I have a buddy in the Springs that will let me register it at his address. They don't do emissions there..Actually, quite a bit of colorado doesn't do emissions but the parts that do, really flaunt their environmentalist/hippy facade. Bunch of BS though. I'd venture to say a lawnmower spits out more s**t in a year than a car does..

Other than that, Colorado is absolutely beautiful I moved out here for school. My entire family followed me the next year haha Definitely a great place to live if you're into the outdoors!

[Malek]

From here..pushed through the bay door the guy in back is opening.


Into here...Barely fit haha


That poor fork lift haha

[match220]

haha..I have a picture of me like this somewhere when I pulled out my 5s. Except I'm sitting in a chair reading a magazine.

Nice build though! In hindsight I should have had a clip shipped to me instead of building one from a parted out 3s. It's hard enough trying to find 1 part from the engine (brackets..mounts..etc), but 30 - 40 parts..ugh. I'm glad I'm done!

[njccmd2002]

dang, thats it. there is no way i can order that clip like that, where in gods name i get a fork lift.

[Malek]

A little bit of an update:

Drove down to the Springs...


To get these It's finally legal *kind of* haha Had to register it with my friends address...


Cleaned it up a little bit..Still very dirty. Previous owner trashed it.


Have to rewrap the steering wheel and get rid of that awful pseudo-wood

[playr158]

Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol

[Malek]

Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol

Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha

[Malek]

Ordered:
-Optima Red Top Battery
-HKS Hi-Power Silent Exhaust 3in

[playr158]

Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol

Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha

I miss climbing in that area

glad you're enjoying the car though!!

you still going to do the AWD on it?

This post has been edited by playr158: Mar 26, 2013 - 8:54 AM

[Malek]

Nice work dude! Drive down to the springs isn't bad when its not pouring like it did when I got my car lol

Haha thanks man! I drove through a blizzard the day I bought the Celi though. It was up in Boulder! Half an hour seems like an eternity when your car is overheating and you can't see anything!

I went up some canyon roads today. Wow, I missed driving a Celica haha

I miss climbing in that area

glad you're enjoying the car though!!

you still going to do the AWD on it?

Are you still in Colorado??
But yeah, so far I'm still on for AWD conversion. I dropped the rear subframe yesterday. I just need to drill out the driveshaft mount. I only got the front mount but it's better than nothing!

I won't start the AWD conversion probably until the summer. Need to give my hands a break

[playr158]

I've always lived in VA. But I visit Denver a few times a year and I bought my Audi in Colo springs. Would like to move their eventually!

[Malek]

Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha



The ocean really did a bid on that subframe

[match220]

Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha

I had a turbo talon (non-awd) and I had a problem with wheel hop on launches. So the wheels wouldn't grip the ground because it was only fwd. It even had a heavy duty LSD that made parking lots irritating. I would imagine the celica fwd would be the same (minus the LSD)

[Malek]

Why would anyone want to add so much more weight to their car?!? Is AWD reaaally worth it? hahaha

I had a turbo talon (non-awd) and I had a problem with wheel hop on launches. So the wheels wouldn't grip the ground because it was only fwd. It even had a heavy duty LSD that made parking lots irritating. I would imagine the celica fwd would be the same (minus the LSD)

I was just kidding haha I just got back from the Subie game. AWD is definitely worth it I wheel hop and spin all over the place!

[match220]

I thought it might have been a joke (hence the "hahaha" and the end), but it's so hard to tell in plain text..lol

[ricochet1490]

Please document the heck out of this. This intrigues me.

[Malek]

Please document the heck out of this. This intrigues me.

I plan on it..I'm also hoping to get dimensions of the mounts, build them up in SolidWorks and have some made.

Until then, I'm thoroughly enjoying the Celica

[qatar11]

Hey -

What are you doing with all your FWD GT bits? I may be interested in them for spares for the race car.... lemme know...

[Malek]

PM'd ya! ^^

[Malek]

Small Update:

The woodgrain is no more!


Got some new kicks


A friend of mine (with a built subaru RS) introduced me to his sponsor, Metro Performance, today. I talked and bull****ed with the owner for a good two hours. Anyways, he's more than interested in my project and will help me out with the AWD conversion. They are mostly a subaru shop but he wants to get in with other cars.

I'll be making some dimensions and throwing it in SolidWorks so he has something to go off of. Fab up some mounts and go from there! I'll keep ya guys posted!

This post has been edited by Malek: Apr 8, 2013 - 11:43 PM

[match220]

nice! Good luck with the sponsor guy!!

I like your interior, did it originally come with the tan and black interior or did someone do it custom that way? Mine is all black, and it's horrible in a convertible. The interior gets scorching hot when the top is down, worst idea ever for a convertible.

[BonzaiCelica]

Oo those are sparco rims that are discontinued lucky

[Malek]

nice! Good luck with the sponsor guy!!

I like your interior, did it originally come with the tan and black interior or did someone do it custom that way? Mine is all black, and it's horrible in a convertible. The interior gets scorching hot when the top is down, worst idea ever for a convertible.

Thanks! But yeah, interior is stock like that. It usually has the woodgrain with this scheme but I couldn't take it anymore. My first celi was all black interior. I loved it but I can see why you don't

Oo those are sparco rims that are discontinued lucky

Close! haha They're OZ Chronos. Still discontinued though

[BonzaiCelica]

Oh shoot haha thats what i meant its cause oz rally makes sparco wheels

[Malek]

Some shots from today! Damn I love Colorado!

Disclaimer: I am not a photographer haha









Sooo many things still left to do to my SpyroOscuro!

This post has been edited by Malek: Apr 15, 2013 - 3:59 PM

[Malek]

Phase 2 Begins:

-17 gallon fuel cell
I had my eye on a few Fuel Safe and ATL cells but an RCi popped up on ebay for a good price and in the dimensions I wanted..so I went ahead and submitted a bid on it and I ended up winning.

-Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.

-E154F clutch
I got Clutchmasters to agree on warrantying my throwout bearing. They are known for sending the wrong one in their hybrid set for a 3sgte to S54 mate up. So TOB, alignment tool and FX350 disk are on their way.

-NonAWD specific
Seats/Carpet
New seat covers from Vincent should be done soon. Ordered the parts for aftermarket seat heaters with OEM switches. Pulled the carpet out to clean. Still very dirty and stained.

Brakes
Will be contacting my machine shop to see if they can grind down my GT4 rotors to 300mm.

Coilovers
Eyes on target: BC BR.

Alarm
I am still trying to figure out what aftermarket alarm/remote start system the previous owner had on the Celica. The RS3000 will not operate my door locks or arm/disarm the alarm. It will go into panic mode though if I hold down the button. Quite annoying.

A week from Thursday I will be dropping in the e154F

This post has been edited by Malek: Apr 30, 2013 - 11:09 AM

[playr158]

Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.

Just remove them from the OEM floor pan you got?!
tack weld drill out and then weld on your car.

[Malek]

Subframe connectors
I have a few leads on the mounts. I do not want to measure and make my own if someone has already done all the R&D. Saves me time and money.

Just remove them from the OEM floor pan you got?!
tack weld drill out and then weld on your car.

Because the GT4 floor pan is a good 4 inches taller (at least), if I use those mounts the subframe will be way low.

[czwalga]

In my opinion I wouldnt trust any mounts you buy from someone else. Jmeyer may be the only one to document his well enough, but I dont think he's selling them.

I'd build my own, knowing that the driveshaft angle and everything is installed to your liking. Also the wheel base will move foward about 1/2" if you use the GT4 arms.

[Malek]

Interesting...

I didn't know the arms were different lengths. Noted. Probably would've figured it out, eventually

But to be honest, I just want rough dimensions so I have somewhere to start. If someone made quality mounts, I'd pickup a set and probably end up modifying them to my liking anyway.

If not...I'll be making my own.

[The_enD]

Nice looking Celica, dude.

I'm sitting here, wondering, what's the weight on these wheels and wheel+tire?

[Malek]

Nice looking Celica, dude.

I'm sitting here, wondering, what's the weight on these wheels and wheel+tire?

Thanks man!

I know the OZs are 17ish. But I'm not sure about the tires.

[Malek]

I couldn't wait…

[match220]

nice bikes! That's an 848 or 1098 in front..I can't really tell..and the others I think are ducatis but I can't really tell. I LOVE ducati valve design..and everything else about ducati's really except for the dry clutches.

[Malek]

Thanks! That white one is an 848evo, followed by the Monster 696 and then the Multistrada. There's a white Honda NSR behind that huge MS, too haha

My whole family is full of gear heads. My 748 is in the conference room and we just stripped an 1198s this past week

The dry clutch is one of my favorite features! Among the trellis frame, SSS, desmodromic valve design..which gives the beautiful voice of a Ducati..

Wow..didn't take much for me to get off topic haha I have another forum and build threads for the 2 wheelers!

This post has been edited by Malek: May 5, 2013 - 12:13 AM

[match220]

Thanks man! That white one is an 848evo, followed by the Monster 696 and then the Multistrada. There's a white Honda NSR behind that huge MS, too haha

My whole family is full of gear heads. My 748 is in the conference room and we just stripped an 1198s this past week

The dry clutch is one of my favorite features! Among the trellis frame, SSS, desmodromic valve design..which gives the beautiful voice of a Ducati..

Wow..didn't take much for me to get off topic haha I have another forum and build threads for the 2 wheelers!

what is the difference in the 848evo and the regular 848 besides the noticeable red rims ?

And the dry clutch is great for power, I like that aspect of it, but traffic is a MAJOR concern here, especially since we can't split lane. There are always motorcycle cops doing it and they will be quick to pull us over if we did, so that means we sit in 5 mph traffic for 30 - 45 minutes and either burn up the clutch or speed up, stop, speed up, stop, speed up, stop...

but yeah, desmodromic always gets my heart beating. Absolutely incredible design that I wish was incorporated into more than just ducs. Great performance across all RPMs and no valve float, just more adjustments more often, which I would have no problem with.

[Malek]

The EVO has small engine changes like larger TBs and valves and taller cams. Revised piston crown (because of the valves). And of course the dope color schemes haha On the street, there isn't that much of a difference.

No traffic issue here I even have an open clutch cover to make it ring!

[Malek]

Some JDM swag

[aspen]

Took the engine out to put on new fenders?

[Malek]

Took the engine out to put on new fenders?

I was actually just changing the oil..then my wrench slipped and the engine jumped out. Figured I'd make good use of it and change the fenders while everything was out





Update:
-GT4 shifter cables in
-GT4 fenders
-3S out and awaiting clutch disk to mate back up with the AWD trans
-Said clutch disk is expected to arrive tomorrow
-Received fuel cell
-Received my seat heaters lol

[playr158]

haha nice! seat heaters are going to be the best part of this project!

[richee3]

I hate to ask the painful questions, but is there any particular ETA on the AWD swap?

[Malek]

haha nice! seat heaters are going to be the best part of this project!

For sure! I have no heat at all since I had to bypass the heater core! I did it in my last Celica. So worth it. Not to mention, my new seat covers should be here soon from vincent.

I hate to ask the painful questions, but is there any particular ETA on the AWD swap?

As far as a set date, unfortunately, I don't. Since it's not my daily, I'm not crunching hardcore for time.

I'll be completely gone from 29 May to 26 June so I don't think it will be done during that time. I doubt it will be done before then but I'm just going one step at a time. Though, it will be done by summers end. Let's say NLT 23 August.

[Malek]

After a bit of wrestling, mild cursing, and multiple sanity checks, I have successfully re-mated the 3S to the E154.

-Brand new Clutchmasters FX350 disk and throwout bearing (I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service)


Tomorrow:
-Drop new assembly back into the engine bay
-Start on rear end work

Sidenote: My UPS delivery guy, Dustin, is the man. I left a note for him at the shop where I knew my clutch would be delivered. He called me up and said he'd swing by my house later and drop it off for me. He knew where I lived because he's seen my car parked in the driveway a few times. He's got a built WRX hahaha

Anyways, carry on...

[enderswift]

I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service

X2

[Ted95]

I will not f***ing give them anymore business, ever. Awful customer service

X2

X3

John over at Southbend was great to work with after working with clutchmasters and there masterful customer service.. (sarcasm)

Great progress tho man! I'll have to make sure to be careful next time I change my oil.. Wouldn't want my 3s to jump out haha looking forward to more updates!

[Malek]

Guess I should update this before I leave next week!

Since my last post:
-Engine and AWD trans are in
-GT4 brake calipers drilled and mounts tapped
~Waiting on my GT4 disks and ss braided lines to come in
-GT gas tank dropped and out of the way
~Made a custom -8an adapter to fit the stock fuel line

I haven't been working on it too much. I've been busy with my summer field session. Designing and building a small scale race car

Unfortunately, I don't foresee much else happening before I leave to field training..

[Malek]

Alright! Let's update.

After coming back from FT, I found out that the guys at Metro Performance (who build full-on race cars) don't want to take on the challenge. Oh well..

Instead, I'll be designing my own mounts for the project. It'll get there..eventually

[bsamps4]

Guess I should update this before I leave next week!

Since my last post:
-Engine and AWD trans are in
-GT4 brake calipers drilled and mounts tapped
~Waiting on my GT4 disks and ss braided lines to come in
-GT gas tank dropped and out of the way
~Made a custom -8an adapter to fit the stock fuel line

I haven't been working on it too much. I've been busy with my summer field session. Designing and building a small scale race car

Unfortunately, I don't foresee much else happening before I leave to field training..

Where are you getting your stainless lines from?

[Malek]

I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113

Edit: Turns out they do not fit

This post has been edited by Malek: Jul 18, 2013 - 10:26 AM

[bsamps4]

I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113

From a Supra???

[Malek]

I ordered them from HRP World. Goodridge #21113

From a Supra???

Indeed. Confirmed fitment from Tiga

Edit: Just kidding. See below

This post has been edited by Malek: Jul 18, 2013 - 10:26 AM

[Tigawoods]

nope nope nope nope. glad I stopped in here.
They dont fit. I thought I posted it in my thread, maybe I didnt. I will have to post comparison images.
They dont fit.

I ordered the Stop Tech lines for the GT instead.
And I used the rear lines in the Front and the fronts in the rear. (the rear lines are a hair longer and could use the extra length for full lock)

The Stoptechs take a few weeks to get to you (and are twice the price) but I trust the build quality over Techna-fit and those other brands.

Honestly the BEST way to get the best possible fit lines would be to get custom made lines, but The stoptechs fit wonderfully the way I installed them.

Im pretty sure only Techna-Fit and Stoptech make them for the 6th gen.
Goodridge just skipped out gen with their lines. I remember seeing Earls lines from gt4-racing for the ST202, they would probably fit, but I didnt want to take the risk of ordering overseas

This post has been edited by Tigawoods: Jul 17, 2013 - 7:37 PM

[Malek]

Holy Smokes!

I'm glad you stopped in here as well!

There's a shop down here that specializes in brake lines so I'll just have a set custom made.

[bsamps4]

Holy Smokes!

I'm glad you stopped in here as well!

There's a shop down here that specializes in brake lines so I'll just have a set custom made.

Can you have a set made for me too? The shop here doesn't have the right anti-swivel fittings that the gt4 brakes require.

[Tigawoods]

^
ah thats also a small detail

neither the stop techs nor the goodridges have the anti-swivel pin. But I havent had an issue with just torquing the bolts to their spec and leaving them as is

[playr158]

I want in on this brake line thing

[CelicaB]

Here is what I use since there is no one local to me. Pricy but they have cool options and proven reputation.


HEL build your own brake lines

This post has been edited by CelicaB: Jul 19, 2013 - 2:19 AM

[Tigawoods]

Here is what I use since there is no one local to me. Pricy but they have cool options and proven reputation.


HEL build your own brake lines

Boom. Comes out to be around the same price as the StopTechs,

only option it doesnt have is the antiswivel pin (really only needed for the front btw)

[CelicaB]

i'm sure you noticed, they have pre-made kits for the Celica, unfortunatly they don't list ones for the st205, does anyone know if the 94-99 gt lines would fit?

HEL premade toyota celica lines

[Malek]

Figure I should update..I don't want you guys thinking it turned into another dead thread of AWD

Expect big updates in the near future. *hint*hint*

[Keiri]

Dat fuel cell.

[Malek]

Time for some big updates.

So the deal fell through and I'll be selling my Celica..































Just kidding

[Malek]

After quite some time asking around and talking to people about fabricating some rear end mounts, I finally came across someone who was 1) really enthusiastic about the project and 2) actually wanting to do it. Hank at Hanksville Hot Rods. There weren't really all that many hot rods there though..mostly porsches, bmws, an SC 2JZ swap and a twin engine VW they were finishing up..

Anyway, I presented him some pictures I had and some renderings of my ideas and we threw ideas back and forth and came up with something pretty cool. Instead of making a box that spans across the frame rails (front mounts of the rear subframe) we decided to make use of some tubing. The rear mounts we decided to keep the box idea and incorporate it into the frame rails.

I wanted the entire assembly to tuck under the rear of the car. They definitely made it happen. There is about half an inch of clearance between the diff and the body which puts the driveshafts right about parallel with the ground. They're finishing up the boxes on the frame rails now. I also used the GT4 rear trailing bars which brought my wheelbase closer about half an inch. I don't mind it for now. We'll see what happens down the road. Fun fact, the GT4 rear brakes are a lot bigger than the GT front brakes.

Wheel well was cut out, reinforced the area with bars and then 18ga sheet stitch welded and sealed. My fuel cell is going back there.


All this update and no photos?!?! Photobucket is down for site maintenance. Don't worry. I'll be adding them.


POSSIBILITY OF A READY TO WELD-IN KIT?!?!
These guys use an in-house mandrel bender. Cool thing is, it's electronic. This means the entire tube curvature is saved on file. Hank is working this weekend on pricing. And yes, we are talking about FULL kits including the rear sub frame mounts and the driveshaft mounts that come ready to weld on the body/frame of your Celica. I'll keep you updated.

Any questions? Ask away...

[CAcelica29]

as in a full mount kit for AWD conversions??!!! as long as the price isnt ungodly expensive id be interested down the line

[Malek]

as in a full mount kit for AWD conversions??!!! as long as the price isnt ungodly expensive id be interested down the line

Yes!! I've been talking to quite a few guys that would be interested. The price should be fairly reasonable considering the most expensive part was the time to set it all up, measure, bend, measure, weld, measure, etc.

I'll definitely keep this updated.

[richee3]

I'd be interested, assuming I can get one of my Nissans paid off so I have some extra cash.

[Malek]

Pictures as promised. Don't mind the insane amount of rust on my diff and subframe. Salt is a terrible thing

Starting from the front, driveshaft mounts.


The replicated ones will probably look a lot sexier. Anyways, this is the passenger side front rear subframe mount.


Mandrel bend up and over the differential. A support bracket was welded at the top of the loop to the body (not shown in picture).


Driver side. Gives a good idea of how tube and plate are welded to the frame rails


And then the wheel well delete.


This post has been edited by Malek: Sep 21, 2013 - 11:51 AM

[playr158]

Looks great and if you're talking weld in awd kit. Count me in! Save me the time and a little bit of effort lol.

[Malek]

Here are the box mounts for the rear. Welded to the frame rails.



And the start to my fuel cell. Plans for this is to drop it about 4 inches into the body, support it from underneath (completely full, it'll weight about 100 pounds) and weld a cover over it so that is not open to the cabin.


The plan for the kit is to have all the pieces for the rear end as ready to weld. So the tubing, mounts and plates for the two front mounts of the subframe will come separated and the two rear boxes will come ready to weld to the rails. They do not want to try and replicate the drive shaft mounts due to them being so small and minor body differences.

[playr158]

Looks great.
Keep me informed on your work with the shop and the kit. Cause i'll be #1 in line.
let me know if I need to call them for support too