cant believe im saying this Options

[kurt95gt]

Well guys its hard for me to say this but I think its time for me to take a break from 6gc.
There's been a lot of "talk" about the 1mz vs the beams here for awhile and I feel like I'm in a losing fight that I wasn't even trying to have between 2 motors I really like. I remember when I joined it didn't matter what motor you ran or what you done to it everyone respected you for it an would do what they could to help you make you celica better. I feel like we've all lost sight of this an are too focused on trying to say what's best for everyone an the rest isn't worth doing.
Not saying I'm never coming back or I'm selling the cars or anything like that. I just think its best to take a break while I want to come back rather than wait till I don't want to. I've met many great people her that I am proud to call my friends celica or no celica. This site has taught me a lot an one day I hope I can do the same for it.
I'll probably be back after winter with a whole bunch of updates on the 1mz. If anyone needs me I'm on the 6gc Facebook page. Pm me on Facebook or text me if ya got my number

Sorry for the sob story post. Just feel like its something I had to say
Thanks for reading
Kurt95gt

[Bigblock]

No.....wait....what??
It's your ride-- do as you please!!
I have no clue on beams 1mz etc transplants.
Do what makes YOU proud of YOUR accomplishments!!
Its kinda like the Bigblock vs LS thing on another forum.
Its about your desire....go for it.... be proud....

[Box]

NOOOOOOOOOOOO, you're not allowed to leave. I say you made the right choice, so forget everyone else.

[bluecelicawife]

We are not doubting the 1mz. We are just simply tired of everyone else putting it down and no one has ever ridden in one to see how it actually is. We are asking that all the crap talking stops till those who are talking have experienced all the possibilities. The best philosophy is never doubt what you don't know. Those who doubt it now it will come around to bite them in the @ss.

[SwissFerdi]

^ Are you saying there are ramifications for those who express doubt? That doesn't make sense. Skepticism is healthy and fosters progress. Unless there's a specific thread I missed I don't see any "crap talking," just the same opinions of engine preference spouted over and over again (kneel to the 3S, muahahaha...).

Edit: I did miss a specific thread. I'll go ban myself...

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Sep 26, 2013 - 8:06 AM

[Smaay]

Kurt dont leave, done give in the the nay sayers, thats what they want. we are members of an elite club. haters are gonna hate. the V6 Vs BEAMS thread is a prime example of what your wife said. they have never ridden in one and have nothing to base it on.

I have never ridden in a BEAMS swap but i have driven a 3S-GTE swap at 18 psi and it freaking hauls ass!

you dont need to take a break from the site. This is the internet. it allows for everyone to express their opinion and they do. you cant get upset over what one person says. im certain i have ruffled a few feathers here.

[RabidTRD]

While I'm pretty sure the BEAMS is right for me based on ease of installation, I don't view either as better than the other. It's personal preference. You chose the V6. I support that and can't wait to ride in it. I always liked reading into your progress. It's your decision to stay or leave, but either way, I wish you the best.

[Batman722]

Kurt, talk is just talk.
You are the only one who has actually done the 1m swap yourself, that's big.

All the Beams vs V6 talk came because of Justin posting memes on Facebook about how the V6 is sooo much better than a Beams. Keep in mind, he's halfway though his swap at best, basically he's talking out his butt. Then Smaay was adding to it and I disagreed. Trust me, I wanted to put a 1m into my Rav, but I couldn't find a motor I was happy with and after I did the math the Beams was cheaper for me to swap into it.

Don't see all of this as disrespect. I'm very proud of my car and I let you (and other people) hammer on it.
Any opinion I have is just that, an opinion. The best chance I have right now is Justin (lives 2 hours away from me) finishes his swap and he and I put any opinions to fact. I'm dying to drive and feel a V6 in a Celica, I've been almost obsessing about it since the meet. In fact, I've had the itch since K-ESD had tweek do a 3mz swap for him years back. This isn't about you or disrespect. You should be the biggest defender of the 1m, you're one of the few guys on the board that's actually driven one in a Celica.

[malpaso]

...You should be the biggest defender of the 1m, you're one of the few guys on the board that's actually driven one in a Celica.

agree to the letter. you know... I have driven in Celica:
7afe
7afte
3sge (3gen)
3sgte (stock and tuned)
and also Beams

I can compare them. But never any V6. And probably never will...

[kurt95gt]

Thanks for all the kind words guys
I'm not leaving 6gc. I love this site an the people on it way to much to never come back
I'm taking a break an getting all my ducks in a row so to speak.
Just stepping away an gonna focus all I can on the 1mz so its a fair comparison to the other swaps an jump back in when my cars at a point I can truly defend it

[kurt95gt]

^ Are you saying there are ramifications for those who express doubt? That doesn't make sense. Skepticism is healthy and fosters progress. Unless there's a specific thread I missed I don't see any "crap talking," just the same opinions of engine preference spouted over and over again (kneel to the 3S, muahahaha...).

Edit: I did miss a specific thread. I'll go ban myself...

Your fine swiss lol not everyone knows everything all the time lol

[RabidTRD]

I wish more people would focus on their cars and less on trolling in the forums.

I can't wait to see/ride in that thing next year.

[kurt95gt]

Kurt dont leave, done give in the the nay sayers, thats what they want. we are members of an elite club. haters are gonna hate. the V6 Vs BEAMS thread is a prime example of what your wife said. they have never ridden in one and have nothing to base it on.

I have never ridden in a BEAMS swap but i have driven a 3S-GTE swap at 18 psi and it freaking hauls ass!

you dont need to take a break from the site. This is the internet. it allows for everyone to express their opinion and they do. you cant get upset over what one person says. im certain i have ruffled a few feathers here.

I tend to just head first an heart an soul into things an when people start talking down about it I tend to take it to heart. I'm very proud of my own work. But coming on here an reading I've just built an out of date pos motor that's only good to pull around a soccer moms mini van hurts. I'd expect comment like that on a Honda site but not here.

While I'm pretty sure the BEAMS is right for me based on ease of installation, I don't view either as better than the other. It's personal preference. You chose the V6. I support that and can't wait to ride in it. I always liked reading into your progress. It's your decision to stay or leave, but either way, I wish you the best.

I wish everyone looked at it this way!
Thank you this is the kind of post that use to flood this site!
You can bet good money you'll get that ride next year!
Your the man ted!!

[kurt95gt]

...You should be the biggest defender of the 1m, you're one of the few guys on the board that's actually driven one in a Celica.

agree to the letter. you know... I have driven in Celica:
7afe
7afte
3sge (3gen)
3sgte (stock and tuned)
and also Beams

I can compare them. But never any V6. And probably never will...

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most
But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

[Box]

I tend to just head first an heart an soul into things an when people start talking down about it I tend to take it to heart. I'm very proud of my own work. But coming on here an reading I've just built an out of date pos motor that's only good to pull around a soccer moms mini van hurts. I'd expect comment like that on a Honda site but not here.

Sorta like the out of date pos motor that's only good for pulling around a soccer mom's mini SUV or station wagon? Come on Kurt, just consult with me for comebacks.

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most
But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

Way to forget Smaay and myself.

This post has been edited by Box: Sep 26, 2013 - 2:51 PM

[njccmd2002]

Everyone has an opinion. If you are going to feel that way evrytime someone post. Then brace for a hard ride. Welcome to internet.

Yes its true i said i dont like the 1mz. Never said it was pos. it comes in vans. I also hate wendys and hardees. That does not mean they are bad restaurants.

We are all adults and we have to learn to take criticism either positive or negative. Like i cant tell the number of times i take crap for having a girly vert. I dont care. Or how many times people critcized my beams at the time instead of the 3sgte.

Im still here no matter what. Im not being hateful. Or trying to start an argument. Im just simply stating my opinion. And. Tuis is the last post ill put of this topic.

Gl with whatever u decide

[Smaay]

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most
But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

Way to forget Smaay and myself.

yeah you know i got your back!

out of date pos motor that's only good to pull around a soccer moms mini van

i dont think anyone has ever come out and said that, if they did and i saw it i would have jumped all in their business. That is a horrible statement to make, yeah so what the 1MZ and 3MZ came in a Sienna, in fact mine came from an 05 Sienna. But ill be happy to go toes to toe with anyone and show them what moms minivan power plant can do.

the 2GR came in a camry, and it also comes in a freaking Lotus!!!! so just because the MZ came in a mommy car, doesnt mean it shouldnt get some respect.

I have yet to see anyone posting dynos of their swaps like i have. or put as much effort and time in their swaps like WE have

I dont know if any other thread with as much information as mine and Kurts

[presure2]

kurt, dont let anyone deter you from doing exactly what YOU want to do.
you know my thoughts on all this stuff, we've talked enough personally to know what matters as far as im concerned.
i hope you stick around 6gc a long time.

I have yet to see anyone posting dynos of their swaps like i have. or put as much effort and time in their swaps like WE have

I dont know if any other thread with as much information as mine and Kurts

jeff, I hope your talking strictly v6 stuff here. lol

[Syaoran]

6GC drama? What? What did I miss?

[Box]

Drama llama!!!

[JoshuaM]

I was getting sick of the V6 vs Beams / 3rd gen smack talk too..... except I thought most of it was going the other direction any time any new member wanted to do a 3S swap....

Anyway, ditto to the comments above, everybody has their own reasons for their choices and they should be respected. For me, I live in a RHD country and I like OEM so a BEAMS swap is on my agenda (unless I track down a st205... ) as it is a straight bolt-in job essentially and I don't have any mechanical experience. And here old engines like the 1MZ go for crazy money still anyway, so it is easiest to source engines straight from Japan. That being said though, I would love to feel a V6 powered 6GC too.

If you want to take a break, go do that.... all the more time to concentrate on your car! We'll still be here when you come back (....... And you will )

[malpaso]

...You should be the biggest defender of the 1m, you're one of the few guys on the board that's actually driven one in a Celica.

agree to the letter. you know... I have driven in Celica: 7afe 7afte 3sge (3gen) 3sgte (stock and tuned) and also Beams I can compare them. But never any V6. And probably never will...

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

Kurt, I understand more than anyone how it is to be one against 1000. Because of this I left in CZ club I started. When I tried to return it was triple times worse so I left permanently. So break will not resolve anything. As I wrote I driven a lot but never V6. That is why you will never hear from me a word against V6. I simply do not have inputs. Just can say something like ''7afte is much better to drive than beams''. And can you guess how many people here would agree and how many disagree? I hope you get the point.

This post has been edited by malpaso: Sep 27, 2013 - 2:19 AM

[supershannon77]

Keep your head up and drive your car proudly. You built it and you should be proud. From when I was more active on this site I can't remember two cars that were exactly the same which is awesome. Personally, I kno nothing about the v6 or beams but either way if you are putting the work in you deserve to be proud. Like everything this site has its good and bad and if your finding the bad outweighs the good maybe sometime off won't hurt. I found myself to be very active years ago and for personally reasons I started coming back to the forum less and less. Now I am active for a lil then I'm off for a little. I have to say every time I come back the dynamics feel a little different. I do find most people are very positive and have been pushing me which is amazing. Do what's best for you. You deserve it.

[cheela]

pretty much, if you're not swapping in a 3sgte, you'll get criticism.

no matter what people say, it's always your car, do it your way

I've even been thinking about some NON toyota swaps. I would love to see that and stir some more things up. !!!!!

[kurt95gt]

I tend to just head first an heart an soul into things an when people start talking down about it I tend to take it to heart. I'm very proud of my own work. But coming on here an reading I've just built an out of date pos motor that's only good to pull around a soccer moms mini van hurts. I'd expect comment like that on a Honda site but not here.

Sorta like the out of date pos motor that's only good for pulling around a soccer mom's mini SUV or station wagon? Come on Kurt, just consult with me for comebacks.

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most
But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

Way to forget Smaay and myself.

Sorry box I didn't mean to forget you two lol
You both defend the 1mz when you can

[kurt95gt]

Both of you are right I should be the one defending the 1mz the most
But its hard to stick up for yourself in a 1000/1 fight

Way to forget Smaay and myself.

yeah you know i got your back!

out of date pos motor that's only good to pull around a soccer moms mini van

i dont think anyone has ever come out and said that, if they did and i saw it i would have jumped all in their business. That is a horrible statement to make, yeah so what the 1MZ and 3MZ came in a Sienna, in fact mine came from an 05 Sienna. But ill be happy to go toes to toe with anyone and show them what moms minivan power plant can do.

the 2GR came in a camry, and it also comes in a freaking Lotus!!!! so just because the MZ came in a mommy car, doesnt mean it shouldnt get some respect.

I have yet to see anyone posting dynos of their swaps like i have. or put as much effort and time in their swaps like WE have

I dont know if any other thread with as much information as mine and Kurts

Sorry I did forget you two
You always have my back
I've done the best I can to make every detail of my v6 swap known
Good an bad! Just as you have done too.
It will be a long time before the v6 swap gets covered in as good of detail as ours.

[KAOS]

Kurt; even though I've never driven in a V6 swapped 6Gen, I'm still very inspired by your swap.
I think on FB someone was trash talking my build and I was just like, "0.o - ok, whatever dweeb". Smack talking about how they could do the swap for less than $2k including the engine, blah blah. Sure, ok, maybe if you buy the engine and swap it in right away without redoing seals, etc first. Good for you! And good luck getting at any of that stuff when the engine is in the car 1500 miles down the road when something starts spurting oil... lol.
I didn't/don't care - my build is for me. My build is my learning experience. My build was achievable/feasible with the budget I had set aside. Its still my DD, I wanted something reliable, with some more HP for when I want to have some fun. I'm not looking to set records here...
I also have plans BEYOND my build too, so I'm making sure my platform is built properly so it can support my future endevors.
And as someone who's driven a BEAMS swapped 6GC (Outsider's swap, one of the original swappers, I think) - It was a tremendous inspiration for my rebuild/swap!

I have always been a fan of the unique. I'm pretty sure my final set up will be very unique. But like I said; I'm not looking to set records or anything, I just want to be unique/original.

I have mad respect for anyone who decides to take the path less traveled.

This post has been edited by KAOS: Sep 30, 2013 - 11:27 AM

[kurt95gt]

Thanks kaos
I've deff taking the path less travelled

Think I can safely say this too.
Manny close this thing.
I'm not going anywhere!!

[Box]

Thanks kaos
I've deff taking the path less travelled

Think I can safely say this too.
Manny close this thing.
I'm not going anywhere!!

YES. I knew you couldn't stand the thought of leaving me. Us, whatever.