bloodMoney's Project V.2 Codename: Lily, Let's try this again.... Options

[bloodMoney]

It took 6 months of searching, but I finally found another 6g to replace my Abby....





She's a 96 GT 25th anniversary No. 0455. 128,xxx miles, Autofail, tan top.

There are a host of issues that need to be fixed, as with any new used car, but this is what I found so far:

Needs:
Driver's side axle
Driver's side wheel bearing
Poly bushings all around
Struts and springs
Fuel filler neck and gaskets
Wheels and Tires
Quarter Windows need adjusted
Door Cards
Deck lid leaks on the driver's side

There is some rust that needs to be addressed, but luckily it is still at the point where it can be fixed without too much trouble.

Once I get the steering/suspension fixed, I'll drive her like that for a bit to confirm that we're ok for daily duty, then we'll begin planning modifications.

I'll try and take more pictures as I get the opportunity. I'm just happy to be back in one.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: May 19, 2014 - 9:46 AM

[richee3]

Glad to see you finally found another one! This thread is gonna be good.

[Bitter]

So that's like your hut in the backyard? It's pretty much a tent on wheels after all.

Keep the steelies, get some trim rings powder coated matte white, paint the wheels body color. PIMP. Like permanent white wall tires for cruising slow.

This post has been edited by Bitter: May 19, 2014 - 12:28 PM

[cheela]

paint it blurple and call it the buttloaf mobile? hahaha

looks like a good starter though. hopefully you can fix all those little things.

[enderswift]

Stand by for upcoming junkyard runs! I'll let you know next time we head out to one of them. I can't wait to see what you turn this into :

[bloodMoney]

Thanks guys!

Luke, you and Noberto really upped the game as far as fix-as-find rust mitigation.... I need to keep up!

Plus, I'm always down for a junkyard run

[njccmd2002]

that car needs v6 in it...

[njccmd2002]

So any updates?

[Bitter]

Yea, I had forgotten about Chris's hut!

[Edser]

Mmm that Celica is lovely. I hope to see some updates!

[bloodMoney]

Hi guys, I've been off the board for a while as I've been completely wiped out by work (the real job).

Okay, so for an update....























































That's right. Nothing.

Lily has a caster issue on the front passenger side which I think was caused by an accident with the PO. I'm not sure if it is something simple like an E-W crossmember or bent control arm. I replaced the axles in the fall and it all came apart and went back together without issue, so I'm doubting this is the case. My fear is that she has a tweaked frame.

If I happen across the crossmembers/suspension for basically free, I'll swap them out and see.... But for now, she will continue to be a DD.

Stacy has changed my direction on which car to focus my attention on, and the wagon appears to have won out. We've blown the car budget for this year already in preparing the car for this upcoming season, so there is nothing left to modify Lily. Maintain/Fix; yes. Modify; no.

So, unless this turns into a Sydney (wagon) build thread, this thread will merely be boring maintenance posts...

Sorry to disappoint.

[richee3]

Totally understandable. The wagon is certainly a more capable car. Keeping the 'vert as a DD and weekend cruiser makes more sense.

[Bitter]

How much is the caster off by? When I dropped the 7th gen I was able to push my caster back in spec by forcing the subframe forward with a winch before torquing the bolts back down. There's some play in it against the body, the 6th gen is similar there to the 7th I'm sure. If it's not a big difference in caster between the sides you can slot the strut tower and lean the strut forward or backward to get the caster needed.

[bloodMoney]

The caster is off on the bottom Jordan. So much so, that when I turn the wheel to full lock on the right, the wheel rubs the back of the wheel well. It's worn the liner through and shined up the steel real nice....

Now this ****er needs a rear hub because I screwed the threads up trying to get it out of the bearing without a press.

[Bitter]

Got it, that's a huge amount of caster not a little. Some crappy insurance or cheap shop probably just compensated with a ton of toe on that one side to make it track straight instead of fixing it right.

So, there's a few front frames on car-part.com at yards near you and all under $200. Even a few for GT's! I assume the vert and coupe use the same front subframe, search using engine cradle, I looked at 95 but all the 6G's are the same right?

1995
Engine Cradle/Rear Crossmember
Toyota Celica Front,2.2L,MANUAL TRANS-182K 15% RESTOCKING FEE A JDS110806 $75 Shaw's Auto Salvage & Repair USA-WI(Warrens) Request_Quote 608-372-3164/800-471-9164

[navseal345]

Kinda what Bitter said. If the caster is off that much the control arm and/ or ball joint would be my first choice, I would then lead towards the cradle. BUT if you were to get a alignment print out & post it up that way we could determine how far off all the numbers are.

I've seen bad caster #'s to were the control arm is ok but the strut might be bent and/ or twisted.

[Bitter]

Cradle, control arm, ball joint, inner/outer tierod, and pair of new front struts with top mounts.

[bloodMoney]

So, I should've just done the 5x114 conversion when I did the rear wheel bearings.... My driver's front wheel bearing gave up the ghost and toasted my front tire in the process. Now I'm waiting on new bearings for the front to get her back on the road.

I also ordered replacement brakes all the way around.

The bearings, coupled with the brakes, new struts/springs, and lower control arms; maybe I'll start enjoying driving this thing again.

I've also decided that I need a manual swap bad. I don't know how you guys with autos deal with it. I'm sooooo booooooored.

EDIT: HAVE SOME OTHER PICTURES.





This post has been edited by bloodMoney: May 4, 2015 - 10:13 AM

[navseal345]

Well w/ an auto you can at least text & drive.

[Keiri]

I deal with the auto by just listening to good music and telling myself that I don't need a stick for the 3 mile commute I make.

[enderswift]

manual swap? I sense a junkyard run in our future

This post has been edited by enderswift: May 4, 2015 - 3:06 PM

[bloodMoney]

I have a lead on a pretty complete parts car in Elkhart... Maybe we make some time Luke?

[enderswift]

I have a lead on a pretty complete parts car in Elkhart... Maybe we make some time Luke?

I'd be down

[Bitter]

What the hell did you do to the baby wagon?

[bloodMoney]

Now it looks as good as it goes

[Bitter]

you're gonna scramble that poor kids brain (that somoan sperm is strong swimmers bruh)

[richee3]

#4SS #fourstarsociety #lancer #sportback #ralliart #jdmchicago #slammed #bagged #mitsubishi #lulz #wagon

Phiksed that for ya.

[bloodMoney]

BAHAHAHAHAHA

Gotta love the insta tags

[Bigblock]

I gots a 460 Big Block, fit no pro'lem

I'll go see if anything is left of my.... anyway, if there's anything,
What would you want pics of that might come in handy?
Radiator & mounts were almost brand spankin new, susp was gone,
Tires were a bit more than a year old, maybe 10,000 miles on em.
Gas tank bad. Trans was good, 5 speed.
Remember, I have not learned what can swap from pre-face, GT,etc...
It was a 94 ST.......
Anything, LMK & I'll check on it. I'm off tomorrow & Thursday

( edit )
Inner doors??
Speakers??

This post has been edited by Bigblock: May 5, 2015 - 8:57 PM

[mkernz22]

I've also decided that I need a manual swap bad. I don't know how you guys with autos deal with it. I'm sooooo booooooored.

I mean, if your state doesn't require OBDII testing for a 96+ car, I have everything you need for a manual swap, the wiring is for a 1994 though.

This post has been edited by mkernz22: May 6, 2015 - 12:48 PM

[bloodMoney]

Unfortunately, the state does do emissions where I am. Otherwise, I would've just dropped a V6 in it and called it a day.

Edit: I need to read the how to again....

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: May 6, 2015 - 1:18 PM

[Bitter]

as long as you have all the emissions monitors cleared you're good to go, so just swap over the cats (or use foulers) and get the EVAP system working and good to go.

[bloodMoney]

THIS STUPID CAR! Although, I should really blame the PO for neglecting it.

I just need the damn thing to work....

Pulled the knuckle yesterday and the hub was falling out of the bearing. The outer race damaged the hub so bad, that now I need to source another hub.

Do any of you local guys have a front hub that you wouldn't mind parting ways with? I need to get this done quickly.

I'll post pics tonight, but I'm surprised the car held together for me as long as it did.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: May 27, 2015 - 8:19 AM

[navseal345]

Sounds gay.

[enderswift]

http://www.apcity.com/

These guys are located in gurnee, near six flags. Their inventory shows 2 6th gens, but there are usually more

[bloodMoney]

Looks like it's Jake to the rescue. I'm going to get it tonight.

What a pain in the ass.

Luke: that's where I got the spare rear hub I needed. I like that one

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: May 27, 2015 - 5:00 PM

[bloodMoney]

The car is back on the ground and seems to be driving alright. Luckily, Jake had a full knuckle that we wasn't using, so I just slapped that on the car to get me back on the road. When I have more time, I'll take the car down to do the brakes, control arms, and bearings the correct way.

I'm in a crunch for time because I have an issue with the wagon and need to get resolved more urgently.

Anyway, Thanks again Jake for the quick save!

The old hub:

[Bitter]

Looks just like the MKII MR2 we had at the shop, inner bearing race spun badly and for a long period of time.

[bloodMoney]

Welp, as most of you have seen on FB, I've hurt another one.....

I'm going to try to fix it, but I haven't really gotten into it to look at what it needs. Hopefully its just the door and quarter panel....



The other guy:


He missed the rocker, so we'll see....





To top it all off, she only has liability coverage, so if I fix her, it's coming out of my pocket.



I think I'm going to be taking a break from 6gc's for the moment....

[njccmd2002]

That sucks. Hopefully you can fix it

[cheela]

still sad seeing this.
but you're right. he did miss the rocker so it's not as bad as it could be....

[navseal345]

So wait... The other person didn't have insurance? If that person just had liability your car is covered under their insurance.

[enderswift]

Damn Chris that really sucks. Let me know if I can help

[Bitter]

Liability means if she hits something they pay to fix what she hit but not to fix her car. Say she hits a tree, her insurance would pay the property owner to replace the tree but she's on her ****ing own to fix the car. Her insurance may total the car, that happened when my Geo got rear ended. I walked away with $2,200 after the 'buy back' of $300. You're almost better off if they do that because you should get more money. Now, not that I need to say this but please go get your neck and back checked out. If there's medical issues you need to get it looked at ASAP because her insurance will try to bounce if you wait to get looked at. If they give you any ****ery just tell them it didn't hurt till the next day from the adrenaline or something. Odds are you're fine but sometimes things get damaged and they don't hurt right away, and that wasn't a love tap.

[bloodMoney]

It'd be nice if the accident was placed as their fault.

Unfortunately, I'm the one who got the ticket for failure to yield, because I was coming out of a parking lot and, by law, they had the right-of-way. So, it's going to be my insurance that pays for their car, and I get the shaft.

I just couldn't/didn't see them. It was an accident in the truest sense of the word.

[Bitter]

That happened to me in the Geo. We all just assumed it wasn't your fault cause we like you.

[navseal345]

That happened to me in the Geo. We all just assumed it wasn't your fault cause we like you.

True.

[Bitter]

Group hug for Chris at the next meet he attends.

[bloodMoney]

Got the door opened up today....



The part of the door that I'm positive saved my life...


Door is off:


Door Jam Damage:


I think I'm done with this car, I'll "fix" it so that the door and top close, but as soon as funds are available, I'll be picking up something else.

I need to give the 6g's a break... I've only killed 2 in the last 3 years....

[navseal345]

Put a net on it like a Jeep.

What you going to get?

Put a '94 Toyota pickup on bags!

[Bitter]

That bar saved your ass no doubts, and this is why I laugh when idiots cut them out for weight savings.

How about a 7th gen? :rofl:

This post has been edited by Bitter: Aug 31, 2015 - 9:48 PM

[cheela]

You seem to like wagons. Join me and get a matrix. Preferably an xrs and not the slow wheel drive model I got.

[Bitter]

But the 2ZZ Matrix or the 2AZ-FE Matrix? If the 2AZ then AWD or not?

[bloodMoney]

lol you guys.

I'm thinking that I want to pick up my big boy car.... It's time for a GS400. I'm ready for some luxury.

[jordisonjr]

lol you guys.

I'm thinking that I want to pick up my big boy car.... It's time for a GS400. I'm ready for some luxury.

And VIP that shiiiiz

[richee3]

You're bant from driving the Alltrac. Srsly. Glad you weren't hurt at all! Pick up a GS and a cheap 6gc shell and do something with one of your spare engines.

[bloodMoney]

And VIP that shiiiiz

I was going to go that route with the wagon, but I'm really not seeing the point anymore.

You're bant from driving the Alltrac. Srsly. Glad you weren't hurt at all! Pick up a GS and a cheap 6gc shell and do something with one of your spare engines.

I think I'm going to dump my spare engines and clean up some of the parts that I have in storage for the 6g. I'm not sure I'll own another one until I pick up a ST205 import.

In the meantime, maybe I'll look for another ST185 and build an autox car.

Honestly, I'm so ADD about what I want to do with the whole car situation, I can't make a decision to save my life right now.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Sep 1, 2015 - 3:54 PM

[Bitter]

GS isn't big boy, that's the LS. GS is the fat IS that you get when you have kids and LS is what you get to retire with in Boca.


But all bets are off if it's an AWD GS300 with a fat snail under the hood.

[bloodMoney]

GS is big enough for me Jordan.

I'm a big guy, but not LS big.

[richee3]

You know we have a Toyota engine recycling facility down here in Evansville, right?

[Bitter]

GS is big enough for me Jordan.

I'm a big guy, but not LS big.

But you'll need room for the dog and all the kids. Cause you know, kids is what you married people do especially once you have a car payment or some kind of debt. Which is why I'll never buy a new car!

[bloodMoney]

You're too late though. I already have a mortgage AND a car payment.

[Bitter]

Then I've got some bad news for you Chris. Or good news if you like kids.

[bloodMoney]

Made some progress today...







Hopefully, I can get it stripped all the way down tomorrow and start marking the spot welds for cutting out the core support.

Daniel: It looks like I'm going to need to replace the full core support. Depending on how hard it is to cut out the damaged one, I may want to just buy a new core support instead of having to cut out two of them....

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Dec 22, 2015 - 10:27 PM

[navseal345]

WTF?! What car is this? The silver one that the BMW creamed?

[navseal345]

Buy this one...

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=96298

We can go halfies?

[richee3]

Daniel: It looks like I'm going to need to replace the full core support. Depending on how hard it is to cut out the damaged one, I may want to just buy a new core support instead of having to cut out two of them....

How much is a new core support? I can't say I know from experience but I've never heard anything good about drilling spot welds. Does a new core support come with provisions to fit a 2GR behind it?

[bloodMoney]

Devin: I picked this car up from Daniel in the hopes that I can piece the two wrecks together to make a good car.

The silver one, Abby, is long gone...

[navseal345]

Now I understand. I thought Abby (R.I.P.) was long gone but the lighting for the pic was horrible & this cold medicine is kicking in, lol.

I lied. Lighting is ok just looked at pics again.

This post has been edited by navseal345: Dec 22, 2015 - 10:50 PM

[njccmd2002]

Wouldnt it be easier to fix the front end on this one and replace windshield? I mean as far as i can see. Thats thenlesser of 2 evils

[navseal345]

I think that's what his plan is. Drivetrain from black vert goes into fixed white vert.

[bloodMoney]

Yup. The white one has no rust. I'll just swap over the front end and engine set, and call it a day.

We'll see though. It depends on how motivated I am.

[cheela]

nice! hope it all goes well.




might as well throw a beams or 3sgte in there while you're at it.

[bloodMoney]

I thought about just dropping that 3mz in it since it's a blank slate, but I think I'm going to keep his one a DD.

I'm trying to make. Different project car happen...

[narly_charley]

I have a 3MZ in my tank of a Lexus. It's a nice engine.

[enderswift]

can we expect a celi at the spring meet?

[njccmd2002]

When would be the spring meet?

[richee3]

When would be the spring meet?

Sometime around Spring

[njccmd2002]

Lol. It be ok to star to set a date

[bloodMoney]

I'm hoping that I can have this one done in the next few weeks, so I don't see why it shouldn't be at a spring meet.

[richee3]

Lol. It be ok to star to set a date

In the next couple of weeks, we'll start a thread and start discussing dates. When does your schedule come out?

I'm hoping that I can have this one done in the next few weeks, so I don't see why it shouldn't be at a spring meet.

I'm surprised it isn't finished yet!

[Bitter]

I'm hoping that I can have this one done in the next few weeks, so I don't see why it shouldn't be at a spring meet.

Soooo....

[navseal345]

I'm hoping that I can have this one done in the next few weeks, so I don't see why it shouldn't be at a spring meet.

Soooo....

He will be late like always, then surprise us w/ a Lancer or some ****.

[cheela]

^truer words have never been spoken.

[Bitter]

One of these days he's just going to show up on a bicycle.

[navseal345]

One of these days he's just going to show up on a bicycle.

If someone does that, I'll buy them dinner.

[njccmd2002]

lol, where is he anyways

[bloodMoney]

Here I am... lol

I've made some progress in the last few weeks, and we're essentially down to the home stretch.







What we're probably going to show up in:





I've gotten lazy again, but I really do want to get the car done for this meet. It may still be two colors when I roll in, or I may just redirect the meet to my house for an install day

All that's really left is to unbolt the subframe from the Lily v.1 and roll the entire engine set over to Lily v.2 for installation. Then I need to get a windshield in it.

And maybe replace the dash, so that I have airbags again....

Simple stuff, I'm just lazy.

[Bitter]

Those Lexus have great great HID projectors. And they're nice cars too. Lots of backseat room for teh sexin.

[navseal345]

Comfortable cars, but the few I've touched seemed like the would be damn expensive for maintenance, just for a car.

[Bitter]

They're really not that bad. Doing the timing belt kind of sucks but it's RWD so there's more room than a Celica to work with. They have a little more suspension going on up front with double wishbone and the upper ball joints tend to wear out around 90-100K (and the lowers not long after) but again, not hard parts to replace just can be costly for the uppers since the joint is part of the arm.

[navseal345]

Just from doing alignments on them, you think that for the money you spent on that car it should have adjustments for front camber/caster & rear camber, not just front & rear toe. They make you buy offset bushings (from Lexus) if caster needs adjustment. Unless I got my Lexus suspensions mixed up, call me dumb.

[Bitter]

Well unless the suspension is sagged or badly worn or the car has been hit then caster should still be about where caster was when it left the factory.

[bloodMoney]

The car takes 8 QTS of oil each change, but other than that, I really have no complaints.

The car is still badged Toyota in Japan, so if things go out, I can buy Toyota replacements, not Lexu$$$$$.

I LOVE it for a daily. It's super comfortable, and I'm doing my best not to modify it.

[navseal345]

Over night ALL THE PARTS FROM JAPAN, bruh!

[bloodMoney]

Quiet you.

[Bitter]

If those are the original HID bulbs in that thing they're way past worn out and about as bright as halogen. RockAuto usually has some HID bulbs on stupidly low priced closeout, like $30 a bulb for genuine stuff not Chinese crap.

[enderswift]

I witnessed a portion of the resurrection. Much work was indeed done. only a little to go

[bloodMoney]

lol

Thanks for being a witness to it Luke. I'm not sure they would've believed me otherwise... I've been moving so damn slow on this thing.

[cheela]

you're probably moving slow because you've got the 5s in there still instead of a 3sgte. right? right??!


This post has been edited by cheela: Apr 29, 2016 - 2:01 PM