Rebuild SSS (Super Strut Suspension), SSS Options

[Wild202]

I brought to you how I solved the problem with a thud on the suspension arms SSS.
I really like to use it SSS suspension arms, because I had the opportunity to compare with McPherson suspension, because like last machine was ST-202.
But after the purchase, I discovered a terrible knock on all the front suspension, which has been difficult to locate.
I started to deal with this problem.

This post has been edited by Wild202: Apr 13, 2018 - 3:20 AM

[Rusty]

This may help diagnose your problem...

For A and B typical replacement kilometres is around 80-120k. but driving style and suspension set up and roads driven on can alter that.
Aftermarket and rebuilt ball joints tend to not last as long, often requiring replacement within 6 months. Even sooner with stiffer springs and shocks by putting more stress on the joints. (So how much is that going to cost you in the long run to maintain it???)

Came across a checklist for checking Super strut. Since it has extra linkages. It causes some issues when trying to diagnose noises in the suspension as it can be hard to pin point which joint has worn.

CHECKING SUPERSTRUT SUSPENSION
- Jack up front of car, remove front wheels.
- take hold of the spring perch (where the bottom of the spring sits) with both hands.
- try to twist the strut.
If the strut doesn't twist, the super strut joints on that side are ok.
If the strut twists (you should be able to see movement in the short s/s arm joints)....
- 1-2mm (measured at the edge of the spring perch) means it will probably pass a warrant but will need replacing quite soon. You might be able to just notice the car wandering a bit when driving over changing road camber or when braking/accelerating.
- more than 2 mm it will probably fail a warrant, it will need replacing. The car will wander over changing road surfaces and change direction noticeably when accelerating or braking. You will know something is wrong!

S/S joints have a huge load on them, from accelerating, braking and going over bumps. The front s/s control arm has a short arm that connects to the suspension strut. The suspension strut has a ball joint that locates the top of the steering knuckle/hub. If the joints at either end of the short arm become worn the suspension strut can rotate. If it rotates it causes the top of the steering knuckle to move forwards or backwards (due to bumps, accelerating or braking). This causes the wheel to point out a bit or in a bit, causing the car to wander left or right without you moving the steering wheel. This can be very dangerous!

STRANGE NOISES?
Creaking noise? Often in Super strut cars the creaking isn't the lower link arm. I've driven a GTZ with super strut with totally rooted lower link arm and it didn't make a noise! It just wandered across the road!

If the lower link arm is shagged - only put in Toyota genuine new!!! Anything else wears out in about 5,000km! (Cost might be a bit more but you won't regret it.)

[Wild202]

Thanks for your reply.
I solved this problem. I will show you now.

That suspension arms
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...YzRZYV9aX2F6MU0

[Wild202]

Then, all saws and autopsied.
We take out the insides.
The photo shows the condition of joints and bushings fingers under which they operate.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bWt0czloQURlVTg


This post has been edited by Wild202: Jan 11, 2017 - 1:00 PM

[Wild202]

More photos bushings who worked in arms:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Rkh6Z3prdGt6NzQ

[Wild202]

handle fingers leverage hinges.
Grinding, but not too much because there is a certain depth of hardening. Finger in soft and hard top.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Sk9lTzZsRFFRT1k

[Wild202]

Continue.
Here are a few photos that would understand the process of revival of suspension arms:
In the photo on the link seen all kinds of plugs, which are used within the arms. This new hub made using the machine with numerical control software.
This complete set of bushes
For service suspension arms SSS.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dEltWlRkTnlQVm8

This post has been edited by Wild202: Jan 14, 2017 - 12:37 AM

[Wild202]

More photos manufacture bushings process.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...VEhwN21OazB0VjQ

[Wild202]

General view of the SSS control arms before the assembly (couples details in the photo is not enough, but you can understand the scale).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Ny0wMlVlM1NVcVk

[Wild202]

Photos ready suspension arms SSS:
Myself I levers did three years ago.
In the photo one of many of my works.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...MC1FTHMwM2hpMnM

[The_enD]

nice stuff

[slavie]

That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?

[Wild202]

nice stuff

Thank you

[Wild202]

That is a lot of work. Looks like you had to break the joints apart, and then machine your own parts to put them back together?

How are the rebuilt parts holding up long term?

Yes, of course I make out, I have made a new sleeve for ball joints. Then all I gathered back. The work there is really a lot.
Even more accurate measurements and tolerances.
As I said earlier, I made my suspension arms 3 years ago, since that time I have and go. The machine is used every day in summer and winter.

[Wild202]

Here's another example embodiment.
There are replacement of bushings in the suspension arm banana (yellow polyurethane).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...aHRuS2ZYUm9YZm8

[Wild202]

Now, I do not change my suspension arms on the my ST-205.
I just unscrew the rear cover and changing the worn bushing on the new, I put the new lubricant and spins back. And I have a new suspension arms again.

[Wild202]

I apologize for my clumsy English. If anything is unclear, or have any questions, I will try to answer.

[BonzaiCelica]

http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...suspension-arms

[Wild202]

http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...suspension-arms

Yes, I know about these guys from Poland.

[The_enD]

Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?

[Wild202]

Do you sell any of this? Or just for you?

Yes, I can do for you, such suspension arms.
You can send me a private message or you can right here in the topic discussed. As you will be comfortable.

[Wild202]

I can explain why I decided to do it.
The thing is that the new OEM suspension arms are sold at very high prices.
Here is an example:
two lines (horizontal) arm - $ 830
Two banana lever - $ 630
two figure 8 - $ 230

total: $ 1,700, it is very expensive for me.

[Wild202]

I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk

[texasnick]

I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk

If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick

[Wild202]

I make the suspension arms are much cheaper and can be used repeatedly. You just unscrew the rear cover and replace with a new sleeve.
Here are some examples of my work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...OThsY05iUmhlUFk

If you can manufacture these parts and provide details on how to install without pulling the arm assembly off, you will be providing a much needed solution to the age old SSS replacement problem.

This would be a great solution for those of us that are in North America. It is a pain to send 100 lbs of metal to Poland, wait for a rebuild and then pay for them to be shipped back.

Nick

No problem. Let's discuss this question.
It can be right there in the theme, I have nothing to hide.
I can do for any such leverage and further maintenance is not very expensive. If you need repairs bushings kits - also no problem.

[Wild202]

So, yesterday finished Rebild next set SSS suspension arms.
Levers will be sent across the border of the country, so I bought arms with mileage and worked on their Rebild.
Remember, Rebild made from my suspension arms.
Photos here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...REV2VS15SVdjU2M

[Wild202]

So. Continued.
Recently sent me mail the old levers SSS suspension.
In order to restore their work.
Here is a photo of suspension arms: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bXV2aTdmMF9Ia2c

[Wild202]

The photo shows that the suspension arms have someone trying to restore.
Further disassemble and seen what was done. Visible traces of very poor repair, or rather - not proper repair.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...MHdGTFhSMXFZb28

[Wild202]

Inner sleeve all the broken 100%
Just throw them all.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...SGU0WFpxQWlES2s

[Wild202]

We put new plugs. Like these ones: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...TFBUamQtempuSnc

[enderswift]

Good work dude

[Wild202]

Good work dude

Thank you

[Wild202]

But that is not all.
Then give your fingers in the hinges of the order (Polished fingers)
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bnplYkJDVGlfWGs

[Wild202]

The assembly, paint and suspension arms are ready for use.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bDk5VFdqNV9MbEk

[BonzaiCelica]

cool, your basically showing the whole process of what the guys in poland do. I asked them to show me pics of the process but they said they never took any. now how it works.

[Wild202]

cool, your basically showing the whole process of what the guys in poland do. I asked them to show me pics of the process but they said they never took any. now how it works.

The guys from Poland were greedy?
I plan to continue to update my posts.

[Wild202]

Thus, continued.
I got another package, in which lay the old levers SSS suspension.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...ZmJGbTJtTmItajQ

[Wild202]

Look further. What's inside?
The photo shows that one finger the ball on a banana bent suspension arm (probably a consequence of the strong impact of the wheel obstacle).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...a0hvRy0zdzVLaWc

[Wild202]

The bent and deformed fingers ball throw in the trash and put here are:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dVB5OV95ZG43T3c

[Wild202]

We collect everything, we paint.
+ Whole anthers on the ball fingers instead of torn and everything is ready.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...VExEZzByOVhEdFU

[Wild202]

Soon several more reports will be about the rebuild of the suspension SSS.
I'm a little busy, but I will definitely continue.

This post has been edited by Wild202: Mar 17, 2017 - 9:16 AM

[Wild202]

So, the continuation.
I was again sent suspension levers SSS from ST-205:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...S0s2R0xrQV9mUzQ

[Wild202]

In general, everything is as usual.
The only medium ball on the horizontal lever is in very poor condition.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...WDdiMTk2QmllZmc

[Wild202]

These same suspension levers are just finished + in banana levers polyurethane.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...a08yYWpldUN3Tzg

[Mr_Tee]

Great job man....How long does these expected to last before servicing again?

[Wild202]

Great job man....How long does these expected to last before servicing again?

You will not believe, but it works longer than the OEM suspension levers.
And a big plus, is that you do not have to buy new levers of suspension.
It's enough just to change the bushings inside to new ones and all.
You again have new SSS suspension arms.

This post has been edited by Wild202: Mar 20, 2017 - 12:08 PM

[Mr_Tee]

Check PM

[Wild202]

Check PM

Answered

[Wild202]

I'll continue.
Another regular set of suspension levers SSS
As usual they sent me mail for recovery.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...aENIaFhUcnVjQ2s

[Wild202]

Then we disassemble and see this:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...S01aNml6LU43MkU

[Wild202]

All the parts, which in the photo above had to be thrown into the trash because they are incredibly covered with rust.
We will do this from these levers: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...R3ZoQk1ZZG1wN1U

[Wild202]

Photo of ready-made SSS suspension arms (Now the suspension levers do not knock): https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...S2czWjZBNUw0TWM

This post has been edited by Wild202: Apr 1, 2017 - 10:38 AM

[Wild202]

So, another set of old SSS levers came to me by mail.
Here is a photo https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...SHdPbEZDUlIyQ00

[Wild202]

We disassemble the suspension arms of the SSS:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Z0xQbDFtbFNISEk

[bloodMoney]

Incredible work!

So for rebuilding a second time, you will just send out parts?

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Apr 20, 2017 - 9:23 AM

[Wild202]

Incredible work!

So for rebuilding a second time, you will just send out parts?

Quite right.
In total 150 USD and at you again new levers of a suspension SSS

[Wild202]

So, everything is ready.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dE1KUHkyUndyZFE

[bloodMoney]

Amazing.

You are doing the community a great service. Thank you.

[Bitter]

This is inspirational work man, truly.

[Wild202]

Amazing.

You are doing the community a great service. Thank you.

Yes, probably.
I try to be useful.

This is inspirational work man, truly.

Thank you

[BonzaiCelica]

just to clarify, how much to rebuild all pieces? The Camber Control Links (Figure 8's), control arms #1 and Banana control arms #2. = Total of 4 arms and 2 camber links....


also i like how you did the banana arm bushing. it seems a better design over the GT4 racing.eu because it allows for more moving within the mounting point. http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...suspension-arms

also you said these last longer than Original Toyota Arms (and I believe you), however gt4 racing offers 1 year warranty. do you offer the same???

[Wild202]

just to clarify, how much to rebuild all pieces? The Camber Control Links (Figure 8's), control arms #1 and Banana control arms #2. = Total of 4 arms and 2 camber links....


also i like how you did the banana arm bushing. it seems a better design over the GT4 racing.eu because it allows for more moving within the mounting point. http://www.gt4-racing.eu/index.php/toyota-...suspension-arms

also you said these last longer than Original Toyota Arms (and I believe you), however gt4 racing offers 1 year warranty. do you offer the same???

No problem. I'll give you a one-year warranty (and you can go to the Rally or ring races, anywhere).
If in one year you break my levers of suspension I'll repair them for free (at your expense).
I can not guarantee the polyurethane parts because I do not produce them, but I just buy them and put them in the banana lever of the suspension.
Restoration of suspension levers - 425 USD
(If I'm making out of your leverage suspension).
Polyurethane bushes in banana suspension levers 2х21 = 42 USD

[BonzaiCelica]

hmm comes out to near same price as poland guy. he does $500. for everything. plus shipping. anyway.. i like how you showed how the process is because thats something he never showed.

[Wild202]

hmm comes out to near same price as poland guy. he does $500. for everything. plus shipping. anyway.. i like how you showed how the process is because thats something he never showed.

Yes, I agree with you on everything except one.
When the suspension that you bought in Poland will begin to knock, you again have to pay 500 + postal services.
When my suspension starts to knock, you can repair it yourself by paying 120 for new sleeves (the parcel will have a weight of 100 grams).
The shipping price will not be big.
Do you notice the difference?

[BonzaiCelica]

i just got the camber control links reburbished by him.

but what do you mean by difference???

[Wild202]

i just got the camber control links reburbished by him.

but what do you mean by difference???

What exactly is not clear?
How do I regain my suspension levers again?
Ask, because of the translation is possible and I'm not quite right I can understand the question.

[The_enD]

Your friend here says you will have to ship back your suspension to Poland compared to his where you can buy replacement parts and do it yourself.

[bloodMoney]

^This.

[BonzaiCelica]

understood!

[Wild202]

Yes everything is correct.

Soon one more photo-report will be.

[Wild202]

I apologize for the delay, a lot of work.
I will continue, perhaps.
So this set of SSS suspension levers was very difficult for a rebuild.
Now you will see for yourself.

[Wild202]

So, that's what they sent me this time:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...NElJSzhGYnJ1MXM

[Wild202]

But now we look, that inside:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Q09vRnlIY2VQZmM

[Wild202]

That's all that is thrown into the garbage in the photo:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...dlNvc0hsR3lpMTA

[Wild202]

Tomorrow I will write a continuation
Thanks to all

[Wild202]

Since nothing can be done from these levers, the customer sent me a few more levers and we hoped that something would come out of them.
But everything was not so simple:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...NkhNclFFdVBCbms

[Wild202]

So, the leash cases were selected in good condition (similar to the ones on the photo):
And the fingers of the levers were put in order.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...ZTBhNkZHai1SbXM

And finally the photo of the finished work:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...Q003SmZjY1R5Wnc

[BonzaiCelica]

where were you 10 years ago?!!!

[Wild202]

where were you 10 years ago?!!!

10 years ago I had a ST-202 with McPherson suspension and I did not have a similar problem.
When I bought the ST-205 I solved this problem for myself and for several years I have been helping all owners of the ST-205.

[BonzaiCelica]

its a joke!!! when i heard about superstrut over 7 years ago everyone said there was never a company that offered aftermarket support or rebuild for the arms. but now you and poland guy appeared too many years late! anyway...

[Wild202]

its a joke!!! when i heard about superstrut over 7 years ago everyone said there was never a company that offered aftermarket support or rebuild for the arms. but now you and poland guy appeared too many years late! anyway...

Well, then! Everything has its time!
What more can I say.

[Wild202]

Soon there will be a couple of reports.

[Wild202]

Since I am engaged in the restoration of SSS levers to Celica (202-205) for more than one year and in the mail I was repeatedly asked to restore the stratum for Levin, I still decided to do it.
So, I'll start. Since I was not sure about the result, I had to do it with my own money and with my leverage.
I myself go to the ST-205 and make levers also for the 205th and 202nd Celica, so I did not have any leverage on Levine.
But they sent me all the same.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...R29saVdUd3E2QzA

[Wild202]

So, that's what is inside the levers of the SSS Toyota: Levin:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...XzZ2dTNuQzd1cXM

This post has been edited by Wild202: May 29, 2017 - 11:20 AM

[Wild202]

I forgot a bit about the photo.
So, here is a photo of the ready-made SSS suspension levers on Levin.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...cmJrdEVKbVhZaWc

[slavie]

Good work!

Do you have replacement boots for sale for ST205 SSS? The arms I have are good, but the wrecking yard tore the boots when removing off the car. Need to replace before installing on the car.

[Wild202]

Thank you.
What "replacement boots"?

[slavie]

Thank you.
What "replacement boots"?

The rubber boots that cover the joins to keep grease in and dirt outside.

[Wild202]

Got it. We call it anther.
Which ones do you need?

[asdrewq]

Fantastic work Wild202! This is a great service you are offering.

I have had some of the rebuilt arms from Poland, however they didn't last long before one started to fail; around 10k miles. To be fair they did send a replacement as it was within the 12 months guarantee, but after around 18 months the other side started knocking too.
I ended up eventually replacing them all with new from Toyota.

I suspect they don't open up the joints fully like you do & replace in their entirety, but use some sort of resin injection method to restore the main joints on the lower arm & fig 8, similar method to this: http://www.renewit.co.za/how-it-works.html

[Wild202]

Fantastic work Wild202! This is a great service you are offering.

I have had some of the rebuilt arms from Poland, however they didn't last long before one started to fail; around 10k miles. To be fair they did send a replacement as it was within the 12 months guarantee, but after around 18 months the other side started knocking too.
I ended up eventually replacing them all with new from Toyota.

I suspect they don't open up the joints fully like you do & replace in their entirety, but use some sort of resin injection method to restore the main joints on the lower arm & fig 8, similar method to this: http://www.renewit.co.za/how-it-works.html

Thank you.
I constantly do SSS suspension levers.
Just forget to upload photos here.
Soon I will do a couple more reports.

[Wild202]

And yes, maybe you are right, and maybe not.
I do not know how to make SSS leverage in Poland, so I can not say anything.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with their work.

[Wild202]

So.
The next set of SSS suspension levers:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...YUU0UXpHS3JnQWc

[Wild202]

Another set of levers SSS:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...YUpBYmU0TlZSTEE

This post has been edited by Wild202: Jul 22, 2017 - 12:34 PM

[Wild202]

I forgot completely. I will continue.
Dismantled everything and threw it into the trash (because with such material it is not possible to work).
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...WW82alhUWXRXejg

[Wild202]

Ready-made SSS suspension arms for ST-205.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...UEtjckEtZU1qc3c

[BonzaiCelica]

Would be nice off a company offered these arms in a lightweight material

[Wild202]

Would be nice off a company offered these arms in a lightweight material

Titanium or aluminum? No problem, but you will not like the price (it will be expensive). And so it is completely solved.

[Wild202]

Hello.
The following set of suspension arms ST-205:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...bmZqR1k5bGVwQXM

Photo inside: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...X1hTRlBheTdiOU0

[Wild202]

The same levers SSS suspension only already made.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B55...cGd4UWxQYnkxaUk