Lets cut the bs and handle this once and for all! challenge, 7th gen brakes Options

[madmods]

None of us really know do we???? We keep hearing< "i heard they fit" There are thousands of totaled 7th gens in the junkyard. Somebody go pull off one rotor and one caliper. If the caliper has a mounting bracket, pull that off too. Why hasn't anybody done this? I cant find a 7th gen-thats my excuse. Somebody do this please. Lets solve this once and for all. We all benefit.

[presure2]

None of us really know do we???? We keep hearing< "i heard they fit" There are thousands of totaled 7th gens in the junkyard. Somebody go pull off one rotor and one caliper. If the caliper has a mounting bracket, pull that off too. Why hasn't anybody done this? I cant find a 7th gen-thats my excuse. Somebody do this please. Lets solve this once and for all. We all benefit.

thats an awesome idea madman!
i think dan was talking about doing just this very thing a few days ago on AIM...

[playr158]

shhhh manny

i'll take my nuckle up to the shop next week if you can wait and see what i can do

[celicast3sgte]

im with madmods, no 7th gens at the local junkyard aside from nix99 which is the kind of expensive place insurance companies go to.

[Willy2o9]

i cant find any 7th gens near me= /

[celiracer]

I can't find any totaled ones here either. I think the front will fit but the back wont because of there emergancy break. Its different then our 6 gens emergancy break. But someone needs to do it and let us know.

[madmods]

awesome you guys are jumping on it, I will keep looking. I'll also look for a set of used oem calipers and disks on ebay. I can always re-sell them. Dan, hope you come thru!!!!!

[supradog1]

Did anyone ever comfirm that the 7gen front brakes fit the front of the 6gen??? I have been searching for 2 hours and I still got nothing...

[jcbass7]

I'm game to try it, how much could the yard really charge for the rotor and caliper..?

[supradog1]

About 250$ bucks if you buy everything new (including brembo drilld rotors) off Ebay

[jdg371]

I have a 6gc and a 7gc in my driveway =]

[easternpiro1]

i dont want to put a dampen on things but i seriously doubt that they will fit. My boy had some Number one crossed drilled rotors, and they accidentally shipped them out for a 6th gen, the car he was trying to put them on was a 7th gen. He said the did not fit correctly. I may be wrong but wouldnt ours fit on the 7th gen if theirs could fit on ours?

[supradog1]

I have a 6gc and a 7gc in my driveway =]

Do you have time to try the swap on one front wheel??? If so take some pics because if this mod works it should defnatly go down in 6gc list of mods history...

[azian_advanced]

my neighbor has two 7th gens, but i doubt he'll let me take it apart to see if they work on my 6th gen...
but otherwise, i'd be down for trying the front and rear. it should only take about an hour or less.

btw, how much bigger are the 7th gen rotors? and how many pistons do the calipers have?

[Batman722]

I know the 7th gen GTs have drum brakes but are the GT and GT-S front claipers different ? like the 6gen ST and GT brakes...

[Negative]

What's the point? Is this for the ST guys or what?
I've worked on many GT and GTS 7th Gens and their brakes are nothing special. I never checked but if their rotors are bigger it's not by much.
I just don't see the point except for a source for ST guys to get better brakes.

[playr158]

Then you don't see much....

7th gen has big brake kits

its all about thinking beyond and outta the box

[celiracer]

What's the point? Is this for the ST guys or what?
I've worked on many GT and GTS 7th Gens and their brakes are nothing special. I never checked but if their rotors are bigger it's not by much.
I just don't see the point except for a source for ST guys to get better brakes.

Yes. the 7th gens have big break kits. If the 7th gen breaks fit then the big break kits for the 7th gen fit on the 6th gen. Thats what everyone is wanting BIG BREAKS HMM I want them so bad.

[playr158]

yea cept like nobody here will make any use of big brake kits

just for looks

[Negative]

Then you don't see much....

Then wouldn't it have made a certain amount of sense to post the intent in the original thread starter? If that doesn't occur then wouldn't my question following that make perfect sense for someone who wasn't part of your inside information?
Why do you always feel the need to come across like that in your posts? Did you not get enough hugs as a child or do you just feel superior because "MY CAR has more SWAPS then yours"?
WTF?

[playr158]

nope never got hugged...thats how i got the name playr ?!

sorry i'll make sure to find the sensitivity option when i log on next time you're the one who said you didn't see to start anyways i'm just agreeing with you
and telling you what you should be seeing:)

though i find it ironic you're complaining and your SN is "negative"

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 16, 2007 - 2:38 PM

[GTS13]

lol, I thought the idea of this thread was to cut the crap and just figure it out. So what if it was just for the ST guys? It's still helping someone is it not? I'll call some local yards around here and see what there is.

[playr158]

if i get a chance this weekend i'll go grab a 7th gen rotor at advanced and slip it over the knuckle laying in my room...

[purplegt4]

or you can try it on my car! that is if you can get that stupid wheel lock off

[Negative]

lol, I thought the idea of this thread was to cut the crap and just figure it out. So what if it was just for the ST guys? It's still helping someone is it not? I'll call some local yards around here and see what there is.

Not what I meant. I'm all for helping out any Celica. Just wondering if there would be a benifit to me as well.

Player158 - you're profile says you have 7th gen big brake kit. Does that mean you swapped knuckles too or something? How did you do it?

[playr158]

its in the processes all that stuff in my profile if you look at #1 thing under each section displays "in progress"
i havn't gotten to them yet, but i'll probably end up with ST205 superstrut suspension

but thanks for reminding me i have to go back and change that crap to the newer version

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 16, 2007 - 3:46 PM

[x_itchy_b_x]

yea cept like nobody here will make any use of big brake kits

just for looks

painting the community with a broad brush

[playr158]

yea cept like nobody here will make any use of big brake kits

just for looks
BESIDES ITCHY

painting the community with a broad brush

edited for correctness

[Batman722]

ok suckas I have done some research and found out some things.

I did a search for "7th" in the sus forum here and found a bunch of big brake posts and from the info in all of them combined this is my conclusion....

7th gen brakes will fit on an ST (front) but not a GT. The rears will not work with either GT or ST.

[x_itchy_b_x]

huh. weird, thanks du na na na na na na BATMAN!!!

[Culpable04]

ok suckas I have done some research and found out some things.

I did a search for "7th" in the sus forum here and found a bunch of big brake posts and from the info in all of them combined this is my conclusion....

7th gen brakes will fit on an ST (front) but not a GT. The rears will not work with either GT or ST.

from which 7th gen ? the GT GTS or st ? there is any difference on them ?

[supradog1]

Well if the GTS dosent fit then it may not be worth the hasel of upgrading .. but, it is still an option worth knowing about incase you get in a jam for brake parts... lets finish this so we can have some "real life" proof that this "IS or IS NOT" a possable alternative... I may try and whem somthing this week end if i have time...

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Hmmm....funny you mention the "big brake" idea. I have a project underway that will probably give us an option for those seeking larger, more powerful brakes. I'll keep you all informed.


Really all it comes down to is getting a rotor that mates to the hub properly with a 5x100 lug pattern, a caliper that will match the size of the rotor after the pads are installed to maximize its surface area, a custom machined bracket so that the caliper hardware will bolt up to the knuckle properly and stay perfectly level (any imperfection would make for shuddery brakes) and then some custom lines to mate up with the calipers.

Its alot of work and custom fabrication and won't be cheap either way. 7th gen kits are going to be pricey and for less money you could source OEM parts to do the same thing with a visit to the machine shop. Sure its not name brand, but if name brand is what you want theres already options there too. There's upgraded brake kits for the ST202 as well, you can find them on EBay but they're way overpriced and use a massive 8-piston caliper.


I'll keep you all updated on what I find out.

[Justin]

My friend has a 7th gen parts car in his backyard. I'm going tomorrow to see if they fit. So I'll let you guys know and get you some pics.

This post has been edited by Justin: Feb 18, 2007 - 5:46 AM

[celicaST]

My friend has a 7th gen parts car in his backyard. I'm going tomorrow to see if they fit. So I'll let you guys know and get you some pics.

awesome would be nice to have some hands on confirmation

[Punisher]

as Silver94Celica said, we have a big brake kit for the 6gc in the works.. It uses a 321mm custom rotor and 4 pot calipers.

The kit includes:

321mm rotors (options for drilled, slotted, or both)
4 pot calipers
S/S brake lines
High Quality pads
Mounting Brackets

The kit is going to be around 1100.00 shipped.. that price isn't set in stone.. we are aiming for lower. We will soon be in the testing stages. If everything goes good we should have the kits available by mid march.

This post has been edited by Punisher: Feb 19, 2007 - 12:12 AM

[playr158]

HAHA yes i love how bloody freakin cheap people are

complaining about 1-2k$ BBK

This post has been edited by playr158: Feb 19, 2007 - 12:46 AM

[MaskedMan]

as Silver94Celica said, we have a big brake kit for the 6gc in the works.. It uses a 321mm custom rotor and 4 pot calipers.

The kit includes:

321mm rotors (options for drilled, slotted, or both)
4 pot calipers
S/S brake lines
High Quality pads
Mounting Brackets

The kit is going to be around 1100.00 shipped.. that price isn't set in stone.. we are aiming for lower. We will soon be in the testing stages. If everything goes good we should have the kits available by mid march.

Sounds good . So would this be for the GT and/or ST? And would this include front and rear?

[Punisher]

as Silver94Celica said, we have a big brake kit for the 6gc in the works.. It uses a 321mm custom rotor and 4 pot calipers.

The kit includes:

321mm rotors (options for drilled, slotted, or both)
4 pot calipers
S/S brake lines
High Quality pads
Mounting Brackets

The kit is going to be around 1100.00 shipped.. that price isn't set in stone.. we are aiming for lower. We will soon be in the testing stages. If everything goes good we should have the kits available by mid march.

Sounds good . So would this be for the GT and/or ST? And would this include front and rear?

It would be for the GT, unless the ST is the same as the GT?

This is only the front. If rear is in demand than we can work on that after we finish the fronts. If we did a rear it would be nothing more than a larger rotor on a larger single piston caliper. You don't really want much braking power in the rear.

We can make an ST kit then.. but we both own GT's lol. When we do an ST kit maybe we can get someone to donate their car for the mock up.. give them a free kit then

This post has been edited by Punisher: Feb 19, 2007 - 1:57 AM

[playr158]

I got a set of knuckles + hubs i can send up if you need ST mock up

[Punisher]

Ok, we'll keep that in mind. Thanks.

[Silver94CelicaOw...]

Sweet, glad to see some interest.

The brake kit would probably require a different bracket to be c&c'd up for the ST but is definately doable.

These brake kits we're developing, unlike the 8-pot brake kits on EBay and available in the aftermarket, should be much better suited to the car. 8-piston calipers on a giant oversized rotor is just way too big IMO and would probably make drivability suffer by being way too touchy. Being a four piston caliper with a 321mm rotor will allow for a much better pedal feel, but with alot of stopping power available due to the braking surface area. Plus, they'll be less expensive and have the ability to use OEM parts for upkeep.


Punisher and I will work on getting a set or two installed, and then let you all know what our experiences are....hopefully we can provide a good upgrade for the community.

[Punisher]

[celica3sgte]

yea cept like nobody here will make any use of big brake kits

just for looks

Swappers need them,lol. 7th gen rotors fit on the front, and I think that's for st or gt. I used to have gt rotors on the front wheels of my st. $1100 is a good starting price Punisher. Are they going to be slotted and cross drilled?

The 25lb. cat comparison to BBK


This post has been edited by celica3sgte: Feb 25, 2007 - 3:39 PM

[Punisher]

yea cept like nobody here will make any use of big brake kits

just for looks

Swappers need them,lol. 7th gen rotors fit on the front, and I think that's for st or gt. I used to have gt rotors on the front wheels of my st. $1100 is a good starting price Punisher. Are they going to be slotted and cross drilled?

The 25lb. cat comparison to BBK

Slotted and cross drilled will be an option. There will be different levels of the kit. Blank rotors will be cheaper.. You can upgrade to slotted/drilled.. As of now there is nothing new to report as I'm waiting on parts to arrive still. UPS Ground from Cali takes 5-6 days .

This post has been edited by Punisher: Feb 26, 2007 - 6:52 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I don't really understand the need for a big brake kit. I have stock rotors with semi-metallic break pads and I can drive hard for 20 mins before I get significant fade. My GT will stop on a dime too. I've got some nice 4 piston calipers ready to be put on the front of the car, but I would have to scrap my 15inch racing wheels to run them. If you want a pretty car, just invest in some paint and stop worrying about big brakes.

Link to the brake pads I use. I have them front and rear.

This post has been edited by Bigmeanbulldog55: Feb 26, 2007 - 9:23 PM

[playr158]

i'll be road course racing soooo BBK = needed

[hurley97]

Sweet, glad to see some interest.

The brake kit would probably require a different bracket to be c&c'd up for the ST but is definately doable.

...

Punisher and I will work on getting a set or two installed, and then let you all know what our experiences are....hopefully we can provide a good upgrade for the community.

if you guys want to test fit the GT kit on an ST to see if they work give me a call, Corey knows the number

[midengine3sgte]

won't the stock 4 pot front brakes and 2 pot rears from the st205 GT4 fit?

[Hanyo]

won't the stock 4 pot front brakes and 2 pot rears from the st205 GT4 fit?

no it would not fit. the st205 has super strut suspension, and it does not transfer "easily" to the macpherson strut suspesion found on the USA celcia.

[Punisher]

Just to give an update, the big brake kit is coming along rather well. It shouldn't be too much longer now.

[zipstrips]

as Silver94Celica said, we have a big brake kit for the 6gc in the works.. It uses a 321mm custom rotor and 4 pot calipers.

The kit includes:

321mm rotors (options for drilled, slotted, or both)
4 pot calipers
S/S brake lines
High Quality pads
Mounting Brackets

The kit is going to be around 1100.00 shipped.. that price isn't set in stone.. we are aiming for lower. We will soon be in the testing stages. If everything goes good we should have the kits available by mid march.

Sounds good . So would this be for the GT and/or ST? And would this include front and rear?

It would be for the GT, unless the ST is the same as the GT?

This is only the front. If rear is in demand than we can work on that after we finish the fronts. If we did a rear it would be nothing more than a larger rotor on a larger single piston caliper. You don't really want much braking power in the rear.

We can make an ST kit then.. but we both own GT's lol. When we do an ST kit maybe we can get someone to donate their car for the mock up.. give them a free kit then

you & corey are welcome to test the setup on my ST when the time comes

[dabazied]

What happened to all this?

[3WayStunna]

Just some FYI, you should be able to run subura GC8 rotors on st202's without the superstrut. They would be able to work with the superstrut, but they are too small, therefore getting a bigger size persay, that of the stock 205 rotors would work just fine. I say this btw, because i am currently running GC8 rotors on my 205 (lol, funny story behind it) as a way of getting around for the time being. I also test fitted them on an st202 with and without superstrut for clearance issues.

Maybe for the point of having other options availible, they might also work the stateside GT's/ST's. If anyone might need a spare rotor for research ill be happy to provide them with one!! Or maybe also even a steering knuckle. Lol, but thats just reaching too far i guess.

[yellowchinaman]

None of us really know do we???? We keep hearing< "i heard they fit" There are thousands of totaled 7th gens in the junkyard. Somebody go pull off one rotor and one caliper. If the caliper has a mounting bracket, pull that off too. Why hasn't anybody done this? I cant find a 7th gen-thats my excuse. Somebody do this please. Lets solve this once and for all. We all benefit.

TBH no one in the UK wanted to try this because every one in the Celica club UK agrees that the gen 7 celica brakes are the biggest let down on the car. Most even upgrade to the ST205 Calipers so why would you want to put gen 7 brakes on your gen 6?

[dabazied]

Just some FYI, you should be able to run subura GC8 rotors on st202's without the superstrut. They would be able to work with the superstrut, but they are too small, therefore getting a bigger size persay, that of the stock 205 rotors would work just fine. I say this btw, because i am currently running GC8 rotors on my 205 (lol, funny story behind it) as a way of getting around for the time being. I also test fitted them on an st202 with and without superstrut for clearance issues.

Maybe for the point of having other options availible, they might also work the stateside GT's/ST's. If anyone might need a spare rotor for research ill be happy to provide them with one!! Or maybe also even a steering knuckle. Lol, but thats just reaching too far i guess.

I'd be interested in toying with this. Send me a pm.....

I was more interested with the big brake kit being made by members, not really worried about the 7th gen brakes too much

[Culpable04]

None of us really know do we???? We keep hearing< "i heard they fit" There are thousands of totaled 7th gens in the junkyard. Somebody go pull off one rotor and one caliper. If the caliper has a mounting bracket, pull that off too. Why hasn't anybody done this? I cant find a 7th gen-thats my excuse. Somebody do this please. Lets solve this once and for all. We all benefit.

TBH no one in the UK wanted to try this because every one in the Celica club UK agrees that the gen 7 celica brakes are the biggest let down on the car. Most even upgrade to the ST205 Calipers so why would you want to put gen 7 brakes on your gen 6?

the reason why this was important ( for US at least ) is the option of bolting 7th gen Big brake kits to our cars with no modification, there are some brake kits made for the 7th gen that range from 700 and up, a lot cheaper option than buying one advertise for the 6th gen which typically runs for over 1100.

I had a 7th gen GTS brake system on my car for over a year and have no complains, it didn't feel as a obvious upgrade, but they perform really well, now i have upgraded to the ST205 brake system, and I have yet to really push these brakes to see how they stop my ST, I still have to do some tweaking to my suspension in order for the brakes to behave / perform as they should.

[RavenAegis45]

Question though? Do you mean a 7th Gen GT or GT-S brakes? I've come across a few 7th Gen's at a Junkyard around 45 mins away from my place but i never got the idea to take the brakes. They were all GT's Though so iono. if anyones interested and they live in SoCal Near Riverside head to the pick-a-part on Pyrite of the 60 freeway thats where i've found around 4 before

[delusionz]

SS-II/SS-III brakes is what u need. (2pot)

[Culpable04]

Question though? Do you mean a 7th Gen GT or GT-S brakes? I've come across a few 7th Gen's at a Junkyard around 45 mins away from my place but i never got the idea to take the brakes. They were all GT's Though so iono. if anyones interested and they live in SoCal Near Riverside head to the pick-a-part on Pyrite of the 60 freeway thats where i've found around 4 before

7th gen GT as smaller, you want GTS unless they are 2003+ after 2003 they are all the same ( GT and GTS )

SS-II/SS-III brakes is what u need. (2pot)

not available in the states and SS III ( superstrut ) brakes would involve some modification to work just like ST205 brakes. not impossible

[RavenAegis45]

Question though? Do you mean a 7th Gen GT or GT-S brakes? I've come across a few 7th Gen's at a Junkyard around 45 mins away from my place but i never got the idea to take the brakes. They were all GT's Though so iono. if anyones interested and they live in SoCal Near Riverside head to the pick-a-part on Pyrite of the 60 freeway thats where i've found around 4 before

7th gen GT as smaller, you want GTS unless they are 2003+ after 2003 they are all the same ( GT and GTS )

SS-II/SS-III brakes is what u need. (2pot)

not available in the states and SS III ( superstrut ) brakes would involve some modification to work just like ST205 brakes. not impossible

Oh ic I know how the 7th gen face lifted models of 03+ look but the only 7th Gen I explored was wrecked from the front and I didnt bother to look from behind but i know it was a GT cuz the engine had an ABS intake manifold. but it would be interesting to see if the hubs and everything else bolt up to our cars

[delusionz]

Question though? Do you mean a 7th Gen GT or GT-S brakes? I've come across a few 7th Gen's at a Junkyard around 45 mins away from my place but i never got the idea to take the brakes. They were all GT's Though so iono. if anyones interested and they live in SoCal Near Riverside head to the pick-a-part on Pyrite of the 60 freeway thats where i've found around 4 before

7th gen GT as smaller, you want GTS unless they are 2003+ after 2003 they are all the same ( GT and GTS )

SS-II/SS-III brakes is what u need. (2pot)

not available in the states and SS III ( superstrut ) brakes would involve some modification to work just like ST205 brakes. not impossible

Every man and his dog on this website has JDM parts, I suggested SS-II brakes because I figure they don't have superstrut so they will be a bolt on mod. I also figure since everyone has a GT4 bumper and bonnet that 2pot brakes would just be another pile of Japanese scrap metal to beef up an export spec model.

[Culpable04]

I understand what you are saying, I was just posting the fact that was not available in US, and clarifying that SS III superstrut will need modification to fit. I'm not disagreeing with you, I was just elaborating on the same idea. so now if someone wants SS II calipers, they kow to look for them outsdie USA.