No GT4's in the US? Options

[94wrc]

Hello,

I have heard that for some reason you guys in the States are not allowed the GT-Four in it's standard form, is this correct? I heard that a lot of engines get shipped out for you to put into "normal" celica's. Does anyone know the reason you aren't allowed them? is it down to emissions?

Thanks

Nathan

[fastgt]

you are correct...

we did however get the st-185 up until 93. In 94 the 6gc came out without a gt-4 model in the states, apparently the main reason was that the previous gt-4 did not sell very well in the states.

6gc owners have begun swapping st-185/205 motors into their celicas but still keeping the car fwd, but theres also some that have supposedly coverted their celica to awd.

its a shame.....im sure the gt-4 would of sold very well, but at the same time there was no real market for it back then as there is now.

This post has been edited by fastgt: Mar 24, 2006 - 11:43 AM

[94wrc]

It is strange but I am right in thinking that most of your "fast" cars have huge engines (4.0l +)? I heard that you can't even import a GT-Four into the States and a couple of people have done so and get stopped by the police whenever they drive them, whether this is true or not I don't know.

Excuse the stupid questions but I know nothing about the US car scene.

Thanks

Nathan

[RallyeMonkey]

Does anyone know what it would take to import one? Several thousand for shipping?

[fastgt]

several thousand for shipping...might want to buy a few for crash testing....then find one you like , then make the car d.o.t compliant....then make it smog legal....uhhh list goes on....it aint gonna happen

[95CelicaST]

Does anyone know what it would take to import one? Several thousand for shipping?

You would need to have the engine removed and shipped seperately from the body, that way you can register the body and engine as "Parts". Once it is over here you can just reinstall and register as a Kit Car, but I think you still have to pass emissions.

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

It is strange but I am right in thinking that most of your "fast" cars have huge engines (4.0l +)? I heard that you can't even import a GT-Four into the States and a couple of people have done so and get stopped by the police whenever they drive them, whether this is true or not I don't know.

Excuse the stupid questions but I know nothing about the US car scene.

Thanks

Nathan

American's like to brag on thier fast cars with the 5.0 plus liters. Anything less than that and it might as well be an import. Even though we didn't get the GT-4, we still have the TT Supra, so we're not too deprived. We have cars here that you don't. I see the new GTO's and Mustangs running around everywere. I doubt you see more than a couple, if that. We do have a few faster small liter motors. V6's, and 4 cylinders, but Americans seem to dissown them. Bigger is better here, I guess. We have the 80's Grand Nationals, which were a 3.8 turbo V6, that was a strate line demon. Also had a Shelby Dodge Omni, it was a 2.2 turbo. It was a good all around track car. But it couldn't match Euro and Japanese realiability. We are now picking up a lot of the techonology that has been elsewere, but we still aren't doing it right in most cases. We have the Corvette, and it is the best engineered American car ever in my opinion, even if it does have a 5.7liter V8.

[fastgt]

we have plenty of motors that rock and arent big v8's

look at the evo/sti motors...4 bangers with turbos....those motors rock

or look at the vq35(z,g35,maxima, etc.) that motor has won motor of the year many times..

we have a have a lot eco motors running around *cough toyota*...but we dont need v8's to show our power....i mean look at the 2jz-gte...awesome motor...

This post has been edited by fastgt: Mar 24, 2006 - 12:40 PM

[95CelicaST]

look at the evo/sti motors...4 bangers with turbos....those motors rock

Except the cost of maintaining an EJ engine, and the chance of busting a timing belt on the EVO and smashing up the valves...

[Fastbird]

American's like to brag on thier fast cars with the 5.0 plus liters. Anything less than that and it might as well be an import. Even though we didn't get the GT-4, we still have the TT Supra, so we're not too deprived. We have cars here that you don't. I see the new GTO's and Mustangs running around everywere. I doubt you see more than a couple, if that. We do have a few faster small liter motors. V6's, and 4 cylinders, but Americans seem to dissown them. Bigger is better here, I guess. We have the 80's Grand Nationals, which were a 3.8 turbo V6, that was a strate line demon. Also had a Shelby Dodge Omni, it was a 2.2 turbo. It was a good all around track car. But it couldn't match Euro and Japanese realiability. We are now picking up a lot of the techonology that has been elsewere, but we still aren't doing it right in most cases. We have the Corvette, and it is the best engineered American car ever in my opinion, even if it does have a 5.7liter V8.

I agree with what you're saying, americans hold true to the bigger is better mo. Just look at the SUV's.

Examples (just the popular American sports cars off hand):

Mustang GT (05+): 281 CID 4.6L OHC V8 305HP/325TQ
Pontiac GTO/Chevy Corvette(05+): 364 CID 6.0L OHV V8 400HP/400TQ
Corvette ZO6 (06+): 427 CID (SMALL BLOCK) 7.0L OHV V8 505HP/475TQ
LS1 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird (98-02): 5.6L 346 CID OHV V8 325HP/335TQ
LT1 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird (93-97): 5.7L 350 CID OHV V8 305HP/325TQ

If anyone says a Cavalier, Cobalt, Sunfire, Ion, Grand Am, Escort, Focus or the like is a sports car I'm goign to reach through the internet and smack ya.

It's a shame, but the DOT keeps some of the more cool cars produced overseas just that: Overseas. I'd love to have seen a GT4 or Skyline here stateside, but importing one, while doable, is extremely cost prohibitive.

[celicaST]

American's like to brag on thier fast cars with the 5.0 plus liters. Anything less than that and it might as well be an import. Even though we didn't get the GT-4, we still have the TT Supra, so we're not too deprived. We have cars here that you don't. I see the new GTO's and Mustangs running around everywere. I doubt you see more than a couple, if that. We do have a few faster small liter motors. V6's, and 4 cylinders, but Americans seem to dissown them. Bigger is better here, I guess. We have the 80's Grand Nationals, which were a 3.8 turbo V6, that was a strate line demon. Also had a Shelby Dodge Omni, it was a 2.2 turbo. It was a good all around track car. But it couldn't match Euro and Japanese realiability. We are now picking up a lot of the techonology that has been elsewere, but we still aren't doing it right in most cases. We have the Corvette, and it is the best engineered American car ever in my opinion, even if it does have a 5.7liter V8.

I agree with what you're saying, americans hold true to the bigger is better mo. Just look at the SUV's.

Examples (just the popular American sports cars off hand):

Mustang GT (05+): 281 CID 4.6L OHC V8 305HP/325TQ
Pontiac GTO/Chevy Corvette(05+): 364 CID 6.0L OHV V8 400HP/400TQ
Corvette ZO6 (06+): 427 CID (SMALL BLOCK) 7.0L OHV V8 505HP/475TQ
LS1 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird (98-02): 5.6L 346 CID OHV V8 325HP/335TQ
LT1 Chevy Camaro and Pontiac Firebird (93-97): 5.7L 350 CID OHV V8 305HP/325TQ

If anyone says a Cavalier, Cobalt, Sunfire, Ion, Grand Am, Escort, Focus or the like is a sports car I'm goign to reach through the internet and smack ya.

It's a shame, but the DOT keeps some of the more cool cars produced overseas just that: Overseas. I'd love to have seen a GT4 or Skyline here stateside, but importing one, while doable, is extremely cost prohibitive.

i understand the legal issues, but i dont wee why it has to be such a big deal. i mean its not like were importing heroin, its just a dang car. how bout the cobalt ss supercharged?

[fastgt]

The cobalt ss is no better than that damned srt-4

[RallyeMonkey]

several thousand for shipping...might want to buy a few for crash testing....then find one you like , then make the car d.o.t compliant....then make it smog legal....uhhh list goes on....it aint gonna happen

So your saying it would be cheaper and easier to move to the UK...

[fastgt]

cheaper? probably not.. is the money worth the car? the car is great but not really worth it..

the only reason its soo hard to bring one over here is because we probably have some of the highest safety standards in the world...if they havent tested the car here in the states, or have proof that it meets our standards ...the u.s d.o.h.s says its unsafe

now if you think thats bad....california has the the most strict smog laws...you know what the means....no twin turbo for my Z

[trd94]

we have plenty of motors that rock and arent big v8's

look at the evo/sti motors...4 bangers with turbos....those motors rock

or look at the vq35(z,g35,maxima, etc.) that motor has won motor of the year many times..

we have a have a lot eco motors running around *cough toyota*...but we dont need v8's to show our power....i mean look at the 2jz-gte...awesome motor...

all of these motors are not v8 indeed, but at the same time they are not american made .the american car companies dont realy offer a strong 4 cylinder that performs like the motors you listed

This post has been edited by trd94: Mar 24, 2006 - 4:45 PM

[fastgt]

Im aware that they are japanese made motors, i was just stating the motors that are available here in the u.s, and youre right the u.s market has nothing to compare to this motor....and please somebody dont say that the supercharged ecotec motor or the peon srt-4 motor is comparable to these motors....

true the srt-4 motor is easily tunable but will never be as reliable

[NaKeD]

I'm not 100% sure about America, in australia its really really hard to import a gt4/ssii/ssiii
because we already produce the celica SX and ZR, the government is trying to protect
Australian Cars against import.. they want people to spend money buying australian cars and keep the money in Australia. Especially since we produce celica already.....
if its a car we don't produce.. its not that hard...

NaKeD

[lilsteeg]

It is strange but I am right in thinking that most of your "fast" cars have huge engines (4.0l +)? I heard that you can't even import a GT-Four into the States and a couple of people have done so and get stopped by the police whenever they drive them, whether this is true or not I don't know.

Excuse the stupid questions but I know nothing about the US car scene.

Thanks

Nathan

American's like to brag on thier fast cars with the 5.0 plus liters. Anything less than that and it might as well be an import. Even though we didn't get the GT-4, we still have the TT Supra, so we're not too deprived. We have cars here that you don't. I see the new GTO's and Mustangs running around everywere. I doubt you see more than a couple, if that. We do have a few faster small liter motors. V6's, and 4 cylinders, but Americans seem to dissown them. Bigger is better here, I guess. We have the 80's Grand Nationals, which were a 3.8 turbo V6, that was a strate line demon. Also had a Shelby Dodge Omni, it was a 2.2 turbo. It was a good all around track car. But it couldn't match Euro and Japanese realiability. We are now picking up a lot of the techonology that has been elsewere, but we still aren't doing it right in most cases. We have the Corvette, and it is the best engineered American car ever in my opinion, even if it does have a 5.7liter V8.

no no no no, the corvette it a verry well engineered car but the viper and saleen s7 are better, oh and the 5.0 plus is wrong the mustang rocks a 4.6

This post has been edited by lilsteeg: Mar 24, 2006 - 8:30 PM

[bloodrain]

Does anyone know what it would take to import one? Several thousand for shipping?

the first thing you have to do is 1) get the car D.O.T. approved. which they will need approximatly 200 GT-Fours just to wreck and crash test. Then each part of the car has to go through testing and get a D.O.T.stamp. Then the frame must be properly reinforced for the crash tests. So figure 200 cars x $15,000. Then each new car that comes over has to get certified (about another $20,000) So after the the $3,000,000 you just spent on getting the GT-FOURS legalized, you gotta fork out another $35,000 for the car (total). Im not sure which dildo did that for the Skylines but thank god it wasnt me. You can buy a R34 US legalized for about $60,000 w00t w00t.

[lilsteeg]

i dunno, there are a few gt-4s floating around in the us, but you could count them on 1 hand

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

The cobalt ss is no better than that damned srt-4

I'm pretty sure both these cars have Japanese influence. That's why I don't consider them. I know the SRT-4 has had a lot more builds than the Ecotec 4cylinder. But that Ecotech is really building a racing reputation. That thing is nice. But, I still think it doesn't count as a true American engine. And there will never again be a true American engine due to so much convergence in manufactures.

no no no no, the corvette it a verry well engineered car but the viper and saleen s7 are better, oh and the 5.0 plus is wrong the mustang rocks a 4.6

The Corvette is better than both the Viper and the Saleen S7 and the GT40. It's about cost effectiveness and what not. For the money, the Vette is a great car, especially now. The older ones weren't too great. You'll hear guys yack about the big block Vettes. That's a 454cupic inch 7.4 liter motor in that car. As far as the little 4.6 Mustang, they weren't so great. I don't hear a lot of Ford guys bragging about them. Most of the time they just want a bigger V8 in there. A 4.6 isn't much for an American V8. I'm no expert though, that's for sure. I only know what I've heard.

[trd94]

Im aware that they are japanese made motors, i was just stating the motors that are available here in the u.s, and youre right the u.s market has nothing to compare to this motor....and please somebody dont say that the supercharged ecotec motor or the peon srt-4 motor is comparable to these motors....

true the srt-4 motor is easily tunable but will never be as reliable

i totally agree

[fastgt]

actually the legalizing of the skylines is no longer true...except for the r33....story is here

http://www.350zmotoring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38173

[dans_st]

So far as importing the GT-4 I could have it shipped with the motor removed and then get the motor shipped separetaly, THEN when they get here RE-install the engine and I have a complete GT-4 that is not registered and not DOT approved to drive here-Right???

Couldn't I just switch the VIN and chassis code plates from my celica to the GT-4, move my already registered plates, and inspection sticker to the GT-4 and just drive it that way??

I have switched VIN's and other tags on old chevy's and used the title that I had on a better condition cab/body, So couldn't it be done with the GT-4?

and as far as the emmisions I get my car inspected and don't have a cat or any other emmisions related product on my car as it is, along with NON-d.o.t. approved JDM taillights- SO is this possible??

And how much would it cost for the car and engine as well as the separate shipping?

[alexjb]

My Celica is in the UK, while I'm in Japan on business.
I been liiking into JDM tails and projectors... but that's a different story

I'm in Sagamihara and I get the buss to the CAT plant each day, on the way I pass a dealer (went to have a look) with a Skyline GTR 80K Km for 840000yen = 4200quid = 7600bucks, thats a lot of car for not a lot of money.
Us guys in the UK pay over the ods for second hand import jap cars to be imported, you guys in the US get ass F*^ed!

[bloodrain]

So far as importing the GT-4 I could have it shipped with the motor removed and then get the motor shipped separetaly, THEN when they get here RE-install the engine and I have a complete GT-4 that is not registered and not DOT approved to drive here-Right???

Couldn't I just switch the VIN and chassis code plates from my celica to the GT-4, move my already registered plates, and inspection sticker to the GT-4 and just drive it that way??

I have switched VIN's and other tags on old chevy's and used the title that I had on a better condition cab/body, So couldn't it be done with the GT-4?

and as far as the emmisions I get my car inspected and don't have a cat or any other emmisions related product on my car as it is, along with NON-d.o.t. approved JDM taillights- SO is this possible??

And how much would it cost for the car and engine as well as the separate shipping?

yes you COULD do that, but search a little bit, there was another thread about importing them. Basically if you have an illegally imported car in the U.S. and they find out, your car gets destroyed on the spot, no questions asked. (Not literally on the spot, they tow it and then take care of it)

[bloodrain]

Us guys in the UK pay over the ods for second hand import jap cars to be imported, you guys in the US get ass F*^ed!

and thats actually being polite.

[CelicaST204]

I hear that there is suppose to a 6th gen GT-FOUR at Import Face-Off april 2. at Red River Raceway. I seriously doubt that. maybe someone got the 93 confused with being a 6th gen. but since i live 30 mins. away from there, i'm going. If it turns out to be true, then i will die a happy man, seeing my dream car in person. I will fill up my digi cam with gt-four picks. screw the silvia and r33. i'll be with the celica god all day. lol

[crismillencolin]

So does it make you guys jealous i could go buy a few GT4 awd's today LOL - sorry

I dont understand how if the car can be ok for the rest of the world but not ok for america ? Surely the differnencs in regulatons arent that tight that a TOYOTA cant be allowed ??

[Jeremy1210]

IT comes down the thes testing. Like the glass isn't DOT approved and neither are the headlights. Amybe some body, but not really IMO

[bloodrain]

So does it make you guys jealous i could go buy a few GT4 awd's today LOL - sorry

I dont understand how if the car can be ok for the rest of the world but not ok for america ? Surely the differnencs in regulatons arent that tight that a TOYOTA cant be allowed ??

cant say im jealous, I would like one, but its nothing to be jealous about. I think im finally getting out of the tuner scene, some guy the other day while I was driving was looking at my car and was like WOW, WHAT IS THAT. IS THAT A MUSTANG!! and i was just like oh god, where did i ever go wrong :-(

[JFrost9]

cant say im jealous, I would like one, but its nothing to be jealous about. I think im finally getting out of the tuner scene, some guy the other day while I was driving was looking at my car and was like WOW, WHAT IS THAT. IS THAT A MUSTANG!! and i was just like oh god, where did i ever go wrong :-(

Thats enough to make any grown man cry. I think the money you would spend in geting a GT-4 upgraded, and then actually legalizing it would be enough to just buy a 3sgte and do some kinda AWD swap... I think dan had something going there, about switching all the tags and VINs and what not. Ive heard of people doing that for skylines, only it was a little different.

This post has been edited by JFrost9: Mar 25, 2006 - 3:06 PM

[lilsteeg]

The cobalt ss is no better than that damned srt-4

I'm pretty sure both these cars have Japanese influence. That's why I don't consider them. I know the SRT-4 has had a lot more builds than the Ecotec 4cylinder. But that Ecotech is really building a racing reputation. That thing is nice. But, I still think it doesn't count as a true American engine. And there will never again be a true American engine due to so much convergence in manufactures.

no no no no, the corvette it a verry well engineered car but the viper and saleen s7 are better, oh and the 5.0 plus is wrong the mustang rocks a 4.6

The Corvette is better than both the Viper and the Saleen S7 and the GT40. It's about cost effectiveness and what not. For the money, the Vette is a great car, especially now. The older ones weren't too great. You'll hear guys yack about the big block Vettes. That's a 454cupic inch 7.4 liter motor in that car. As far as the little 4.6 Mustang, they weren't so great. I don't hear a lot of Ford guys bragging about them. Most of the time they just want a bigger V8 in there. A 4.6 isn't much for an American V8. I'm no expert though, that's for sure. I only know what I've heard.

better engineered than a saleen s7 what, that happens to be the most aerodynamicly efficent production car ever. and the viper is way better engineered now-a-days, test drivers say it can corner like an elise, plus the heads were designed by lamborghini hello, and the new 4.6 in the mustang is 300 hp, i think that is enough

[95CelicaST]

There is a guy in my town somewhere with an R32 GTR. Champagne with a big Nismo intercooler and deep-dish wheels. I would have sex with that car.

[lilsteeg]

i know that in my little town we have an r33, a few supras, and i have heard from my friends that there is a black gt4, i dont know if this is true but i asked if it looked similar to mine, but was all wheel drive and turbo and they said yes.

[CelicaST204]

Turns out at Import Face-Off april 2nd, It was a 5th gen all-trac. . I'm pissed. I was hoping to see my #1 dream car. Oh well.....one day it will happen.

[3rdgen3s95]

Dont move to a country because of cars...Thats like moving to another state for a girl you like, but arent married or engaged too...We also have the Eclipse that they dont have

[3rdgen3s95]

There is a guy in my town somewhere with an R32 GTR. Champagne with a big Nismo intercooler and deep-dish wheels. I would have sex with that car.

Yeah, in seattle there are about 10 skylines, 1 i know is a GTR R34, blue, and then there is a silver GTR R33, and about 7 GTR R32s...Kent has a Evo VII, and there is a RHD MR2 Turbo...Some imported Silvias as well

[sinner96ST]

quoting myself from other thread :

Certain cars that were released only in Japan and other countries besides the US, fail to meet emissions/crash test/road safety standards here in the states.

So, basically, our government believes because the car wasn't released here, it isn't safe to drive here. You have to spend insane amounts of money to get it legal, so much so that it really isn't worth the time or effort.

I think it's possible to disassemble a GT4, ship it here, then reassemble it. Swap out the VIN from an identical year celica which has been junked (salvaged) and consider your reassembled GT4 with a junk title. This wouldn't be easy, and if you got caught, you'd probably be in deep ****, but it's really the only way to get one over here, unless you "know" people.

The Skyline can be imported, and made legal in the states, asking price for one of them was between $80,000 - $100,000.

Start saving your lunch money.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Apr 9, 2006 - 5:15 PM

[hurley97]

http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/rules/import/

theres actually a list of cars that have been pre-approved for importation
and the GT-4 is not on it.

I've read a lot from that site before and if i remember correctly and they havnt changed it you have to:

1. get a registered importer to submit an application for DOT approval
(this includes crash tests or a statement from the company saying the car is up to US safety standards)

2. you pay 150% of the price of the car for the application
(so say you buy a $4,000 US car, you pay $4k for the car itself and $6k for the application[i think] for a grand total [so far] of $10 grand for a 4 grand car and it hasnt even left its home country yet)

3. then you have it shipped which isnt as expensive as you think
(under $1k to have it just rolled on/off and well over $1k to put it in a container[again, this is just what i remember])

4. then the registered importer recieves it and it belongs to them until it is DOT legalized
(meaning it can pass inspection. even little things like the seatbelts, airbags, speedometer, etc. have to be changed which must cost insane amounts of cash)

5. then you have to get it registered (the DMV is a bitch)

but when its legal its legal
there are a few on this site (like 1 or 2)
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=members&itu=3245
^legal and registered in NH
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=members&itu=1509
^not legalized in IN

there are a couple r34 skylines around the western US ive heard
the R33 is on the already approved list but im sure registered importers will take advantage of how much your willing to pay for one and charge big money for it anyway.

This post has been edited by hurley97: Apr 14, 2006 - 2:57 PM

[phattyduck]

look at the evo/sti motors...4 bangers with turbos....those motors rock

Except the cost of maintaining an EJ engine, and the chance of busting a timing belt on the EVO and smashing up the valves...

Wha? What maintenance cost of an EJ motor? They are just as reliable as any normal Japanese motor... and besides - me and a couple friends can have an EJ motor out AND back into an Impreza in about 2 hours. Beats any Toyota I know for that... (but yes, it is an interferance motor...)

-Charlie

[Sammyr]

Makes me glad to live in NZ we have quite relaxed importing laws and right hand drive thus allowing us all the JDM performance cars (possiably to the detrement of the local car industry) so skylines, GT-4's etc are resonably easy to get hold of.

[tcox22]

woah woah woah... so there's a GT four somewhere here in good ol' indiana?!

[jsnole]

tcox, dont get too happy.... He is in New Zealand! I also wish we could get these cars in the USA also!!! lol

[tcox22]

but when its legal its legal
there are a few on this site (like 1 or 2)
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=members&itu=3245
^legal and registered in NH
http://www.6gc.net/index.php?action=members&itu=1509
^not legalized in IN

that's what i was talking about ^^^^

[94GT]

yes, there is one in IN. He brought it down through Canada and if I remember right he bought it with some front end damage. Here's the link to his profile with pics. 95WRC

This post has been edited by 94GT: Apr 18, 2006 - 7:04 AM

[tcox22]

yes, there is one in IN. He brought it down through Canada and if I remember right he bought it with some front end damage. Here's the link to his profile with pics. 95WRC

would you happen to know which part of indiana?

[FORGMANN]

hey,
i own the indiana GT4 .. i used to live up in northern indiana but now live in cincinnati area ..

i dont post a bunch .. car is still at shop in dubuque,ia getting fixed ..

i just turned 32 today and let me just say nothing would make me happier but to be driving my st205 tonight ..

i am super anal and consider the st205 a classic car and my body guy does not fix cars half ass so sourcing a undamaged st205 front end rad support has been a pain but i have one located in US .. i am repairing car to 100% the way it was before accident except swapping to any 98 spec parts like projectors , dash trim , etc...

car has been in US for year and a half..

i am sick of talking about legalizing topic but trust me it is so over hyped on net it is not funny .. getting car into US is much bigger issue ..







This post has been edited by FORGMANN: Apr 18, 2006 - 9:01 PM

[brthrurik]

Does anyone know what it would take to import one? Several thousand for shipping?

You would need to have the engine removed and shipped seperately from the body, that way you can register the body and engine as "Parts". Once it is over here you can just reinstall and register as a Kit Car, but I think you still have to pass emissions.

96 gt4 in good condition(less than 90k miles) from japan 7200USD
Shipping to a US port 1800USD to start
Customs 250-1000USD
Vehicle modifications* 5000-15000USD
210hp awd beast on US roads priceless



*numerous frame and body reinforcements necessary to make DOT legal, not to mention emmisions considering the 3rd gen 3sgte doesn't even have an egr valve(a necessity where i live)

So I recommend just importing an engine direct.

[lilsteeg]

its 220 not 210

[tcox22]

i own the indiana GT4 .. i used to live up in northern indiana but now live in cincinnati area ..

hmm, were you located towards the northeastern or northwestern part of IN... reason i ask is because i live in the northwestern part, about 10 minutes from Notre Dame.