Getting tired of the mods around here... Options

[Akimbo]

This forum is so boring to visit. I really dislike the way the moderators run things here. Lately, things have been so lock-happy it's not even funny. Sometimes the topics can be decent yet Manny or Jeff will swoop in and lock things. It's getting ridiculous. I guess that's the strict rules this place has though. I just think off-topic should be a bit more relaxed. No porn or racism obviously.

Why don't you mods get a forum and make posts so you can lock them? Maybe that'll satisfy that urge.

I'm just tired of the baby-ishness of 6GC.

[WALKER]

I think its a good think that the mods have been locking a lot of the topics. So many of them are just getting way off topic and could go on forever if they weren't locked. Most end up in a dispute of who said what.

The one thing I really like about this forum is that everything is on topic and is useful information. I personally don't come to this forum to look for excitement. I look for information on my car and thats it. I suppose the off topic threads could be let go and not closed, but I never really check there so not sure what reason some that have been closed are for.

Just wanted to say that I like this forum being here for staying on topic and everyone helping each other, no bickering or getting off topic.

[Defgeph]

When any of us lock a topic, its for a good reason. If a topic heads off course, we'll delete the unnecessary posts and let the thread continue. If the topic has nothing to offer this community(mindless ranting and bickering between members), then we'll close it. Unfortunately we have members that fail to follow rules, so we have to step in. There will always be a gray area, but we try our best.

If you post about religion, politics, or adult material they will They will usually be locked. Those threads end up in either a flame war, who's better than who, or other things we do not need on a automotive forum. If it were up to me I would drop Off Topic completely.

You may think we are doing a bad job because you only see what we lock. If you could see the type of stuff we delete, then this might sway your opinion about how we handle things.

[Kadett]

I was just thinking the opposite, they way the mods are doing there job right now is fine.

[Defgeph]

If you are refering to this [url]http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=39411&pid=458580&st=0&#entry458580 [url/] .

We do not and will not tolerate bashing of members, cars, or other cars. Thats why this was locked.

[WannabeGT4]

I still haven't found out why my bittorrent topic was closed.

[Defgeph]

I still haven't found out why my bittorrent topic was closed.

In your PM to me you understood why it was locked. You also did not ask me to explain. I didnt see a need to further explain why, you also shared your suggestions for the future. Maybe Coomer can reconsider that rule. For now I have to use what has been given to me. If you would like me to further explain why I move, delete, or close a topic. You can ask me via PM.

[WannabeGT4]

I still haven't found out why my bittorrent topic was closed.

In your PM to me you understood why it was locked. You also did not ask me to explain. I didnt see a need to further explain why, you also shared your suggestions for the future. Maybe Coomer can reconsider that rule. For now I have to use what has been given to me. If you would like me to further explain why I move, delete, or close a topic. You can ask me via PM.

Hmmm... I don't remember. I've slept since then. LOL. Would you mind explaining it for me? I didn't see anything in the rules about torrents and I've seen plenty of other topics before and there is still one active now. Any understanding I had was about the legality of the torrents and I compared it to other tools that could be used for not so legal things. It wasn't meant to be taken as a literal suggestion just a comparison for judgement.

[hurley97]

you guys are doing great

lock this crap Jeff! ...lol

[Defgeph]

Justin,

I'll PM you about it later on tonight. I'm at work right now, I'm on and off of the comp.
We try to catch all the post but sometime we miss a couple. If you could PM me links I'll gladly close those as well. Sorry for the confusion.


Steff,

I'll try to keep my trigger finger away from the lock button

[presure2]

ambiko, if youve got a problem with the moderation of the site, you can PM coomer about it, he's the administrator, and he sets the rules, we make it happen.
there are pleanty of sites out there, that have much more lax rules then ours...OTUG is just one that comes to mind...
your more than welcome to post whatever you'd like there.

[snapshotgt]

You guys are doing great IMO.

~snap

[mzztoyota]

This is only my second day here and I have to say that as a forum about Celicas, I have found this site to be extremely helpful...to the point where I feel very confident about buying a Celica in the next few days and comfortable with the thought of sharing pictures of me and my car in the forum soon. I visited the off-topic forum for a short time, and while it seemed nice, a lot of it seemed like conversations that could be had with instant messenger. It is nice to get to know people besides through their cars, I definitely agree, but if arguments are breaking out where they wouldn't have before, then the mods are probably right in locking off topics.

Positive vibes, guys, positive vibes. This is one of the kindest online communities I've visited recently, all connected through the love of the 6gc, don't let "off-topics" tear it down.

[Coomer]

I'm completely behind my moderators and we feel that locking topics and keeping the site family-friendly is a good thing. There are plenty of other sites with more relaxed rules, and plenty of sites with much stricter rules. We've chosen our rules carefully and we feel that they're appropriate for the site.

[Mynzeyes]

I'm completely behind my moderators and we feel that locking topics and keeping the site family-friendly is a good thing. There are plenty of other sites with more relaxed rules, and plenty of sites with much stricter rules. We've chosen our rules carefully and we feel that they're appropriate for the site.

what about all of the hypocrisy, and moderators bashing cars, and participating in illegal activities(everyone knows miguel is only 19, and knows that since it was at Manny's house, he is responsible), and threatening people physically? is that appropriate?

there really is favoritism going on around here. i'm not any part of it, but i'm pointing it out, being a 3rd party person.

Also, as far as PMing everyone about things. sometimes things need to be said out in the open. when someone calls out a moderator on something they are doing wrong, the mods edit it, or delete it, and cover their tracks. sure, they go to the "deleted topics/posts" forum, but we all know not every mod, or coomer, reads every single post in there. it's go for people to know some things.

sure, the site is still helpful to the new people, but once you get past that, it's still the same. and it even ripples into other threads and topics. people in the cliques reply to their own questions, and if you aren't, you get generalized answers. a lot of the long-time members are leaving the site, because it truely has taken a turn for the worse.

Coomer, i'm sorry, but if you don't see this, and you think the way certain people are acting, and representing the site is justified, you are ignorant.

Examples:
1a: "bashing"
Thread closed for 'bashing'.
1b: "bashing"
Manny 'bashing' Burneed's hoodscoop. Why is it ok for him?

2a: Now, this thread is the topic of a lot of "controversy", so let me add a 3rd party opinion:
miguel is drunk and living in my bathroom!
Now, let's start with the obvious. Manny posted it. taking pictures. everyone was having fun. it's obvious. everyone KNOWS how old miguel is. the fact that he is drinking is beside the point. the point is, Manny published this activitiy taking place in his home, under his own name, and being of sound mind. Technically speaking, legal course could be taken, and this could be used as evidence. manny and his wife would have been held responsible. THAT is the point of debate which Dustin(brown) brought up. Dustin jumps in, in order to defend manny (in the 'clique' in question), but offers no real answer. he said he showed his ID, and it said he was 21. look in his profile, look on myspace, look in chats. he is 19. all dustin offers is thta he just says to quit crying.

onward we move. dan points out the facts of the matter, and sites the rules that are being broken. dustin says to quit crying again. posting a picture. how mature, and about as effective as the "chewbacca defense".

onward again, jeff locks the topic. says the fun is over.

oh wait, manny UNLOCKS the thread, threatens dan, then tells Dustin(brown) to PM. Again, no defense, just says, "hey, don't point it out to the public".

later i may find other examples, but i think those are pretty solid enough for the time being, just to get the point across.

in conclusion: there may be some underlying things, which have caused personal vendettas, but the truth of the matter is, factions are being created, and power is being abused. i have nothing against anyone personally, but that above pretty much proves what people are saying. i realize the rules are the rules, and they are different at different sites, but, the fact remains, that the rules were broken by people of "power", and nothing is done about it.

there's my take. not that it matters, and guess what, i don't care if anything is done or not. i'm just VERY bored at work right now, and have nothing else better to do. . i come here to look at OT every now and then, and Buying/Selling. if you can, feel free to poke holes in my argument, or just delete it and lock this thread. if that's what is done, then it will be apparent what is really the truth.

coomer, i believe a public warning to your moderators would be a nice action, and prove that hey, the rules do apply to them too. otherwise, it'll just be obvious that you are all ignorant and blinded by your "l33t intr4n3t p0w3r".

-John-

edit: i see manny has a warning in his sig, which is not an actual warning. and it's quite playful at most. and also, a formal PUBLIC warning from COOMER, is what i mean. so don't bother pointing that out.

This post has been edited by Mynzeyes: Jul 24, 2006 - 1:30 PM

[jgreening]

I'm completely behind my moderators and we feel that locking topics and keeping the site family-friendly is a good thing. There are plenty of other sites with more relaxed rules, and plenty of sites with much stricter rules. We've chosen our rules carefully and we feel that they're appropriate for the site.

what about all of the hypocrisy, and moderators bashing cars, and participating in illegal activities(everyone knows miguel is only 19, and knows that since it was at Manny's house, he is responsible), and threatening people physically? is that appropriate?

there really is favoritism going on around here. i'm not any part of it, but i'm pointing it out, being a 3rd party person.

Also, as far as PMing everyone about things. sometimes things need to be said out in the open. when someone calls out a moderator on something they are doing wrong, the mods edit it, or delete it, and cover their tracks. sure, they go to the "deleted topics/posts" forum, but we all know not every mod, or coomer, reads every single post in there. it's go for people to know some things.

sure, the site is still helpful to the new people, but once you get past that, it's still the same. and it even ripples into other threads and topics. people in the cliques reply to their own questions, and if you aren't, you get generalized answers. a lot of the long-time members are leaving the site, because it truely has taken a turn for the worse.

Coomer, i'm sorry, but if you don't see this, and you think the way certain people are acting, and representing the site is justified, you are ignorant.

Examples:
1a: "bashing"
Thread closed for 'bashing'.
1b: "bashing"
Manny 'bashing' Burneed's hoodscoop. Why is it ok for him?

2a: Now, this thread is the topic of a lot of "controversy", so let me add a 3rd party opinion:
miguel is drunk and living in my bathroom!
Now, let's start with the obvious. Manny posted it. taking pictures. everyone was having fun. it's obvious. everyone KNOWS how old miguel is. the fact that he is drinking is beside the point. the point is, Manny published this activitiy taking place in his home, under his own name, and being of sound mind. Technically speaking, legal course could be taken, and this could be used as evidence. manny and his wife would have been held responsible. THAT is the point of debate which Dustin(brown) brought up. Dustin jumps in, in order to defend manny (in the 'clique' in question), but offers no real answer. he said he showed his ID, and it said he was 21. look in his profile, look on myspace, look in chats. he is 19. all dustin offers is thta he just says to quit crying.

onward we move. dan points out the facts of the matter, and sites the rules that are being broken. dustin says to quit crying again. posting a picture. how mature, and about as effective as the "chewbacca defense".

onward again, jeff locks the topic. says the fun is over.

oh wait, manny UNLOCKS the thread, threatens dan, then tells Dustin(brown) to PM. Again, no defense, just says, "hey, don't point it out to the public".

later i may find other examples, but i think those are pretty solid enough for the time being, just to get the point across.

in conclusion: there may be some underlying things, which have caused personal vendettas, but the truth of the matter is, factions are being created, and power is being abused. i have nothing against anyone personally, but that above pretty much proves what people are saying. i realize the rules are the rules, and they are different at different sites, but, the fact remains, that the rules were broken by people of "power", and nothing is done about it.

there's my take. not that it matters, and guess what, i don't care if anything is done or not. i'm just VERY bored at work right now, and have nothing else better to do. . i come here to look at OT every now and then, and Buying/Selling. if you can, feel free to poke holes in my argument, or just delete it and lock this thread. if that's what is done, then it will be apparent what is really the truth.

coomer, i believe a public warning to your moderators would be a nice action, and prove that hey, the rules do apply to them too. otherwise, it'll just be obvious that you are all ignorant and blinded by your "l33t intr4n3t p0w3r".

-John-

edit: i see manny has a warning in his sig, which is not an actual warning. and it's quite playful at most. and also, a formal PUBLIC warning from COOMER, is what i mean. so don't bother pointing that out.

When you get a little older, you will be surprised at yourself for taking the time to write so much on an insignificant matter.

[Mynzeyes]

When you get a little older, you will be surprised at yourself for taking the time to write so much on an insignificant matter.

i'm 24, well-educated, well-spoken, and have a nice career. i'm also bored at work. and if you'll read, i don't really care if anything happens or not. i'm just pointing it out, with hard evidence, so that people will open their eyes and stop bickering back and forth with empty efforts. also, i've been a member here for YEARS. so, that portion of my life isn't so insignificant. and when friends i have established on here are leaving left and right, and people are constantly bickering, i offer my opinion.

when you get a little older, you will be surprised at how your insignificant reply on such a matter really is quite trivial, and instead, you could have offered an educated response to the matter at hand, instead of trying to make some low-brow remark pointing out my assumed immaturity.

[celicaST]

I'm completely behind my moderators and we feel that locking topics and keeping the site family-friendly is a good thing. There are plenty of other sites with more relaxed rules, and plenty of sites with much stricter rules. We've chosen our rules carefully and we feel that they're appropriate for the site.

what about all of the hypocrisy, and moderators bashing cars, and participating in illegal activities(everyone knows miguel is only 19, and knows that since it was at Manny's house, he is responsible), and threatening people physically? is that appropriate?

there really is favoritism going on around here. i'm not any part of it, but i'm pointing it out, being a 3rd party person.

Also, as far as PMing everyone about things. sometimes things need to be said out in the open. when someone calls out a moderator on something they are doing wrong, the mods edit it, or delete it, and cover their tracks. sure, they go to the "deleted topics/posts" forum, but we all know not every mod, or coomer, reads every single post in there. it's go for people to know some things.

sure, the site is still helpful to the new people, but once you get past that, it's still the same. and it even ripples into other threads and topics. people in the cliques reply to their own questions, and if you aren't, you get generalized answers. a lot of the long-time members are leaving the site, because it truely has taken a turn for the worse.

Coomer, i'm sorry, but if you don't see this, and you think the way certain people are acting, and representing the site is justified, you are ignorant.

Examples:
1a: "bashing"
Thread closed for 'bashing'.
1b: "bashing"
Manny 'bashing' Burneed's hoodscoop. Why is it ok for him?

2a: Now, this thread is the topic of a lot of "controversy", so let me add a 3rd party opinion:
miguel is drunk and living in my bathroom!
Now, let's start with the obvious. Manny posted it. taking pictures. everyone was having fun. it's obvious. everyone KNOWS how old miguel is. the fact that he is drinking is beside the point. the point is, Manny published this activitiy taking place in his home, under his own name, and being of sound mind. Technically speaking, legal course could be taken, and this could be used as evidence. manny and his wife would have been held responsible. THAT is the point of debate which Dustin(brown) brought up. Dustin jumps in, in order to defend manny (in the 'clique' in question), but offers no real answer. he said he showed his ID, and it said he was 21. look in his profile, look on myspace, look in chats. he is 19. all dustin offers is thta he just says to quit crying.

onward we move. dan points out the facts of the matter, and sites the rules that are being broken. dustin says to quit crying again. posting a picture. how mature, and about as effective as the "chewbacca defense".

onward again, jeff locks the topic. says the fun is over.

oh wait, manny UNLOCKS the thread, threatens dan, then tells Dustin(brown) to PM. Again, no defense, just says, "hey, don't point it out to the public".

later i may find other examples, but i think those are pretty solid enough for the time being, just to get the point across.

in conclusion: there may be some underlying things, which have caused personal vendettas, but the truth of the matter is, factions are being created, and power is being abused. i have nothing against anyone personally, but that above pretty much proves what people are saying. i realize the rules are the rules, and they are different at different sites, but, the fact remains, that the rules were broken by people of "power", and nothing is done about it.

there's my take. not that it matters, and guess what, i don't care if anything is done or not. i'm just VERY bored at work right now, and have nothing else better to do. . i come here to look at OT every now and then, and Buying/Selling. if you can, feel free to poke holes in my argument, or just delete it and lock this thread. if that's what is done, then it will be apparent what is really the truth.

coomer, i believe a public warning to your moderators would be a nice action, and prove that hey, the rules do apply to them too. otherwise, it'll just be obvious that you are all ignorant and blinded by your "l33t intr4n3t p0w3r".

-John-

edit: i see manny has a warning in his sig, which is not an actual warning. and it's quite playful at most. and also, a formal PUBLIC warning from COOMER, is what i mean. so don't bother pointing that out.

When you get a little older, you will be surprised at yourself for taking the time to write so much on an insignificant matter.

agreed, come on its just an internet car forum, but i do agree with what he says on some points. overall though, i think the mods do a good, honest job at keeping these forums on track. there are definitly cliques, but they always form so whos surprised or cares for that matter?

[Defgeph]

Thanks for the post John. The warning Manny has is real and its from me. Manny knows he was in the wrong for starting that thread. Rules were broken, so I stepped in and closed the thread. I though about the proper action, so I gave him a warning. Its real and it still stands right now. This is the only way I could give him a valid warning at this time.

I have talked with Manny about his other posts regarding bashing. You can talk with him about why it was handled that way. Other then that, we do not bash cars or other members on this site.

[Supersprynt]

I havent been on here for 3 weeks and this is what happens. Jesus.

[Mynzeyes]

Thanks for the post John. The warning Manny has is real and its from me. Manny knows he was in the wrong for starting that thread. Rules were broken, so I stepped in and closed the thread. I though about the proper action, so I gave him a warning. Its real and it still stands right now. This is the only way I could give him a valid warning at this time.

I have talked with Manny about his other posts regarding bashing. You can talk with him about why it was handled that way. Other then that, we do not bash cars or other members on this site.

thank you jeff, for replying intelligently, and not just saying, "hey, it's a car forum" like the 2 previous posters. also, i do think the 'warning' in his sig is a little too playful to be taken seriously, (again, 3rd party opinion). and i'm still waiting to get coomer's take on my post, and think some action from him would be in order. simply to restore a little faith in the "community". i don't think that's too much to ask, given the circumstance. but we will see. .

-John-

[Defgeph]

Guys, could you please try to keep this thread clean. Talk about us doing a bad job, look at what we have to constantly deal with. Back and forth bickering.

[Defgeph]

thank you jeff, for replying intelligently, and not just saying, "hey, it's a car forum" like the 2 previous posters. also, i do think the 'warning' in his sig is a little too playful to be taken seriously, (again, 3rd party opinion). and i'm still waiting to get coomer's take on my post, and think some action from him would be in order. simply to restore a little faith in the "community". i don't think that's too much to ask, given the circumstance. but we will see. .

-John-

Its the best we can do right now. Contrary to what some may think. Why dont have all the power in the world. I can assure you the warning is not playful, its real. Thats the only way right now we can moderate, a moderator.

[Supersprynt]

That offended me Jeff. Please warn yourself.

[Defgeph]

That offended me Jeff. Please warn yourself.

Sorry about that, I warned myself.

[presure2]

the thing everyone dont realize here is WHY i did what i did, and to be honest, i dont have to explain it to anyone, but the mods.
they know why i did it, and the reason behind it.
as far as the miggy thread, it was a mistake by me to post it.
100% my fault.
the "so called" threat against dan was nothing of the sort, john.
since you dont know what happen last year at the CSP meet dan attended when he, being underage, brought his OWN booze, decided he was gonna drink in a state park where it is illegal to do so..it was a personal joke between him and i, and i think he gets it

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

Mynzeyes, I wish you wouldn't have left as a moderator. But that's the way things go. I use to be really upset with this site, which was why I left for awhile. I don't know if anyone noticed, I'm not cool enough to really pay attention to. But that does bring me to point I need to make. The elite groups and little clicks on here do get annoying. I don't like the abuse of power thing. I understand the need for moderators, and I think they've done a better job keeping this place clean and nice lately. If I have to choose between getting bashed on by half the site, or just a moderator or two, I would choose just the moderators. But that leads to a lack of faith in the established rule. I don't want that. I hate police because they abuse their power. Doesn't mean that every one of them is bad, but it happens. Manny warned me once for calling him a communist. I didn't even mean it as a bad thing, but it happened. I like Manny, he is a good worker and loves his car, but that wasn't right of him. That's something that was done a long time ago, but just an example and something that bothers me. When I see him saying bad things to others, its something that doesn't set well with me. I don't mean to just pick on him, sorry Manny, even if that's what I'm doing. I like things, and I'll continue to offer my services around here. I want to say that there's nothing wrong with abusing power, but there is. I understand how people do it, it would be easy. All you have to do is ask yourself (Moderators and "Elitist" members), "Am I abusing the power that I have to exclude or push others around?" If you are, just stop. I feel no public or personal apologize are necessary. If you truly believe you are doing the right thing, the stay the course.

[devilsden97]

Ok, i know everyone is going to say im part of the clique...frankly i dont give a damn. heres how i see it. I get yelled at just like everyone else. Anyone on this forum can vouch. I currently have a warning of 20% from something i posted about a weekago that was deleted for "content". (it happend to be deleted by manny himself, and I was warned by manny as well) Honestly, the mods are people, not machines. They have to use there judgment, not everything is black or white. There are enough things on this forum that i would close as a mod that they leave open, and there are things that they close that i personally would leave open. Id have to agree with alot of what the mods have said, (including Coomer) if you had a kid (5 years of age) and you were looking at the site, and he walked into the room, and you have/felt like you would need to minimize the screen, then it doesn't belong on the forums what so ever.

I like this forum, there isnt ne bull crap, or threads that go on and on for pages apon pages of bickering and arguing futial points.


Mods are doing a good job, they make mistakes, there human, just like everyone else on this site. You can second guess every decision they make, but in the end, they (as a group) have the final say on what goes on.

Mods =

[Mynzeyes]

the thing everyone dont realize here is WHY i did what i did, and to be honest, i dont have to explain it to anyone, but the mods.
they know why i did it, and the reason behind it.

good job skirting the issue. if that's the case, i could, if i wanted, bash anyone on this site, bc i have my reasons, and i don't need to explain it to anyone. i only have to explain it to certain people. then it's ok for me to be a prick.

that's essentially what you just said, in a nutshell. see how mature that sounds?

i don't think that really works, bc that is exactly what's being said, and favoritism is being shown.

[presure2]

good job skirting the issue.

john, im not "skirting" the issue at all.
my point by saying that was to not bring up all the bull with burn again.
ive warned him pleanty of times before about the crap.
the post was a "taste of your own medicine" sort of thing, again not that i have to explain myself to you.

[Defgeph]

There is no need to attack people here. Please stop using insults. Last time, please keep this thread clean.

[hurley97]

its a community of people. people don't always agree with each other. thats just the way the world works.

it is necessary to have people to keep a community in line. and yet again, people are not always going to agree with the way they do things. but reguardless of how anyone else feels about how things are run, we werent chosen to make the decisions

there is a lot the mods have to deal with and Coomer chose them for a reason. Coomer has also said that he backs his mods 100%, it's his site

[Akimbo]

This is my thread, I started it. John can talk about what ever he wants. I'll deem it on my topic or not.

[devilsden97]

its a community of people. people don't always agree with each other. thats just the way the world works.

This community....is OPTIONAL! for those who don't like it, your not being forced to be apart of 6gc.net. No one has a gun to your head.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jul 24, 2006 - 3:18 PM

[playr158]

ok i see where some of this is going and John thanks for your post it pretty much covers the issue at hand and i personnally know there are alot of people who have left because of issues like this one or are getting frustrated as such..
although it is good pressure has admitted his fault on that thread its closed lets forgive and forget..defgeph has warned him lets have that be a reminder..
on the meet comment i won't even start on that i've delt with it already

but right now in this community i believe here lies one of our LARGEST problems is this attitude

the thing everyone dont realize here is WHY i did what i did, and to be honest, i dont have to explain it to anyone, but the mods.

i used to consider this a family....if someone does something they EXPLAIN to the family why they have done what they did and with openess...
this attitude shown here is elitest and shows that someone considers themselves above the rest....when infact you are not above anyone else...you arn't special....and yes you DO have to explain why you do things...this is a community not a heirarchy of totalitarian leadership...if your going to close or delete something you need to post up WHY it is being done....basically lets look at history "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION..." "NO MODERATOR ACTION WITHOUT EXPLAINATION"


obviously when a group of people get together to address a problem...it means there is one that needs to be fixed...it doesn't me people make stuff up

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 3:24 PM

[jgreening]

when you get a little older, you will be surprised at how your insignificant reply on such a matter really is quite trivial, and instead, you could have offered an educated response to the matter at hand, instead of trying to make some low-brow remark pointing out my assumed immaturity.

Cute. My reply was MEANT to be insignificant because the topic IS insignificant. Here is my educated response: Complaints regarding this matter are silly and sound very whiney in the grand scheme of things. I would have thought someone as mature as yourself would have figured out what I meant.

I happen to agree that the mods have been a little lock happy in the past but, you know what? People have to make those calls and those people will not always agree with me. The point is, I have pointed out the exact same issue before in a calm respectful matter that didn't sound near as immature or alarmist as your post. In the end, the administrator and mods can do what they want because they run the site. If I don't like it after raising the matter calmly and professionally, I could either: (a) drop it; (b) leave; or © cry or bitch about it. I happen to believe that there is no honor in the third choice.

[Mynzeyes]

good job skirting the issue.

john, im not "skirting" the issue at all.
my point by saying that was to not bring up all the bull with burn again.
ive warned him pleanty of times before about the crap.
the post was a "taste of your own medicine" sort of thing, again not that i have to explain myself to you.

how is dodging any sort of defense a taste of my own medicine? bc you don't have to answer to me? i think the medicine i offered was more of a: "this is what's wrong, and here's proof".

i don't care if you do answer or not. your lack of effort proves that you don't care what people think of you, or why you take certain actions. also, based on mine and others' opinions, the lack of a response represents a lack of any justifiable reason. that is, by traditional standards, rather shady, and not very productive. there is a general concern over things, and you are tucking your tail.

you don't have to answer that, obviously. as you don't need to. you don't have to burn me, to offer a defense. that's what a debate is. i offered all the information very maturely, and it was merely a chance for someone to explain things to the people concerned.

remember, these are not my direct thoughts, though i agree with them, I DO NOT CARE IF ACTION IS TAKEN. i'm just offering up everything into a structured point, and pointing out the items in question.

again manny, i dont' care if you tell why or not, the only thing that matters is what coomer thinks of the structured representation i put forth.

he'll either read it, and do nothing. or he'll read it, and take action. EITHER IS FINE WITH ME. forgive me for offering everything up in a structure where it actually makes sense, and makes you think about even considering to offer up a defense. i am truely sorry.

-John-

[Mynzeyes]

here's the thing. debating is fun. that's why i offered it up. it's not because i tihnk everything needs to change or the world will end. again, i can't stress it enough, WHATEVER HAPPENS IS FINE WITH ME. i just like when people have to actually put forth a little effort into things.

i'm sorry i have presented a topic to 6gc.net that makes people think, and possibly show emotion. i'm sorry i've asked so much of the 'leaders' of this forum. forgive me. please. i beg you. my life depends on it. </sarcasm>

if you dont' want to reply, that's fine, but i'm just going to point out that the lack of a defense is not a defense, and it ruins credibility.

[Jen]

k, this is stupid.

then delete my post. i just think this is ridiculous.

This post has been edited by Jen: Jul 24, 2006 - 3:29 PM

[presure2]

good job skirting the issue.

john, im not "skirting" the issue at all.
my point by saying that was to not bring up all the bull with burn again.
ive warned him pleanty of times before about the crap.
the post was a "taste of your own medicine" sort of thing, again not that i have to explain myself to you.

how is dodging any sort of defense a taste of my own medicine? bc you don't have to answer to me? i think the medicine i offered was more of a: "this is what's wrong, and here's proof".

i don't care if you do answer or not. your lack of effort proves that you don't care what people think of you, or why you take certain actions. also, based on mine and others' opinions, the lack of a response represents a lack of any justifiable reason. that is, by traditional standards, rather shady, and not very productive. there is a general concern over things, and you are tucking your tail.

you don't have to answer that, obviously. as you don't need to. you don't have to burn me, to offer a defense. that's what a debate is. i offered all the information very maturely, and it was merely a chance for someone to explain things to the people concerned.

remember, these are not my direct thoughts, though i agree with them, I DO NOT CARE IF ACTION IS TAKEN. i'm just offering up everything into a structured point, and pointing out the items in question.

again manny, i dont' care if you tell why or not, the only thing that matters is what coomer thinks of the structured representation i put forth.

he'll either read it, and do nothing. or he'll read it, and take action. EITHER IS FINE WITH ME. forgive me for offering everything up in a structure where it actually makes sense, and makes you think about even considering to offer up a defense. i am truely sorry.

-John-

no john, didnt mean YOU when i said that. i was talking about the situation with burn.
and when i say i dont have to answer why, you guys are missing where i say to anyone but the MODS. meaning chris, jeff, peiter and romas.

[playr158]

yes we know you said MODs.......this community is about the PEOPLE not the moderators...you are 4 we are thousands...

your locking OUR topics...deleting OUR posts
which means you HAVE to give US a reason







_________________
akimbo off preview...rep the people <---NOT IN MY SIG

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 3:46 PM

[presure2]

yes we know you said MODs.......this community is about the PEOPLE not the moderators...you are 4 we are thousands...

your locking OUR topics...deleting OUR posts
which means you HAVE to give US a reason

dan, i dont HAVE to give you anything.
if you had actually read my posts, i actually DID say why i did what i did back here:

Mynzeyes Posted Today, 04:24 PM
QUOTE(presure2 @ Jul 24, 2006 - 2:59 PM)


QUOTE
good job skirting the issue.

john, im not "skirting" the issue at all.
my point by saying that was to not bring up all the bull with burn again.
ive warned him pleanty of times before about the crap.
the post was a "taste of your own medicine" sort of thing, again not that i have to explain myself to you.

[Akimbo]

Why DON'T you have to explain yourself? You're a mod. Explain your actions. Justify yourself. Show us that you deserve to have the title.

[devilsden97]

Why DON'T you have to explain yourself? You're a mod. Explain your actions. Justify yourself. Show us that you deserve to have the title.

he deserves that title because it was given to him by Coomer (and if we all have forgoten who that is, hes the board/server administrator.) he calls the shots, and like he posted earlier, he backs the mods.

[Batman722]

are you kidding me ?

if you have a problem with a mod, PM the admin

[Akimbo]

Back off "Migga". I was talking to Manny. Coomer chose him, but why does he deserve it?

This doesn't really concern you or Steff, both your posts are usually irrelevant and biased.

[hurley97]

In the end, the administrator and mods can do what they want because they run the site. If I don't like it after raising the matter calmly and professionally, I could either: (a) drop it; (b) leave; or © cry or bitch about it. I happen to believe that there is no honor in the third choice.

well said

[playr158]

ok to address one thing...

double standards
akimbo was punished for "attacking dustin in a personal manner" and supporting this idea
and post deleted

funs not over yet.....
dan, remember this thread the next time you come to a meet where im gonna be there.

that means you should be on preview too for attacking me?

I happen to agree that the mods have been a little lock happy in the past but, you know what? People have to make those calls and those people will not always agree with me. The point is, I have pointed out the exact same issue before in a calm respectful matter that didn't sound near as immature or alarmist as your post. In the end, the administrator and mods can do what they want because they run the site. If I don't like it after raising the matter calmly and professionally, I could either: (a) drop it; (b) leave; or © cry or bitch about it. I happen to believe that there is no honor in the third choice.

in response- we'll tell you how we see it, how we feel and the truth...if you don't like it i'm sorry deal with it.......sound familiar?

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:00 PM

[presure2]

dan, you know as well as i do, at the last csp meet you came to, you brought your own booze.
and almost got arrested for it, i might add.
you'll wont be doing any drinking at any of the meets im hosting..
that was what i meant by that, no personal attack.

Back off "Migga". I was talking to Manny. Coomer chose him, but why does he deserve it?

This doesn't really concern you or Steff, both your posts are usually irrelevant and biased.

i deserve it because thats the way chris wants it.
this is his "house" so to speak. i watch it when hes not home.

dan, stop editing your posts here.


also, ryan being on mod preview has NOTHING to do with this thread.
lets make that perfectly clear.

[playr158]

dan, you know as well as i do, at the last csp meet you came to, you brought your own booze.
and almost got arrested for it, i might add.
you'll wont be doing any drinking at any of the meets im hosting..
that was what i meant by that, no personal attack.

#1 i took it as and still do a personnal attack...as well as members of this board will support me on that
#2 i did bring a can of substance with me, no the person didn't even realize i had it when he came up i didn't almost get arrested he didn't even notice me nor talk to me about it..don't try and blow up the situation

[devilsden97]

Back off "Migga". I was talking to Manny. Coomer chose him, but why does he deserve it?

This doesn't really concern you or Steff, both your posts are usually irrelevant and biased.

it does concern me and steff, were both members on this site, and our says weighs just as much as your does.

ANd honestly, u cannot say were bias. U just imed me, and u said "u havnt been on the site long enough to know whats going on." but when i told u that ive been there since June 13, 2005 you backed off. Ive been part of this site for a year. Grant it yes, i have had times where I was cursing out manny for deleting one of my posts or jeff for editing something, or telling me someting i did was uncalled for, but after taking a step back i noticed that its not a big deal.

LIFE > 6gc.net

if u let this site be the main focus of your life, u have more problems then the mods here.

[presure2]

dan, you know as well as i do, at the last csp meet you came to, you brought your own booze.
and almost got arrested for it, i might add.
you'll wont be doing any drinking at any of the meets im hosting..
that was what i meant by that, no personal attack.

#1 i took it as and still do a personnal attack...as well as members of this board will support me on that
#2 i did bring a can of substance with me, no the person didn't even realize i had it when he came up i didn't almost get arrested he didn't even notice me nor talk to me about it..don't try and blow up the situation

well, how you took it, and how i meant it are 2 diffrent things.
we'll just have to agree to disagree on that.
#2. i have the wifey here, and all the other people that were there that will say otherwise...i dont have to "blow up the situation"..it was a joke, plain and simple.

[presure2]

ohh and...answer your phone.

[playr158]

yea but i'm smart enough not to post it....

i'm done with this....see ya at the next meet ftw

i have a paper to write

(oh and this isn't life its nothing to do at work....i just got paid 15$ an hour to do this)

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:11 PM

[Akimbo]

miguel you're missing the point. i dont want 6gc changed for me. i could leave the site for all i care. and probably a lot of other people. do i need to paste the convo we had? i thought you were newer and i apologized. i didnt back off and cower.

trust me, i have a lot going on in my life, i dont worry about 6gc much, its just something to do in my spare time.

[Mynzeyes]

LIFE > 6gc.net

if this isn't life, then why is manny calling dan?

[presure2]

LIFE > 6gc.net

if this isn't life, then why is manny calling dan?

because i have his #, and its much easier for me to pick up the phone and call him, then to sit here in this room with the computer and read this crap all day.

[Mynzeyes]

(oh and this isn't life its nothing to do at work....i just got paid 15$ an hour to do this)

l33t. i'm getting 15.70/hr for this. as ryan said, it's something to do in your spare time. it is a hobby, it IS a part of your life. you meet people, you establish relationships. but that, is a tangent.

[Batman722]

I will offer up some more stupid crap here

Dan you brought alcohol to the CSP meet and even gave some to Tina, another minor at the time. I know because I dranks some of hers

I'm done here, you guys just keep arguing and have a good day

[devilsden97]

miguel you're missing the point. i dont want 6gc changed for me. i could leave the site for all i care. and probably a lot of other people. do i need to paste the convo we had? i thought you were newer and i apologized. i didnt back off and cower.

trust me, i have a lot going on in my life, i dont worry about 6gc much, its just something to do in my spare time.

no u didnt cower...u did let off, and say "ok i didnt know", (sorry if i made it sound that way in my post) My point is, at least know all your facts b4 u call someone out. Do some research. Dont just read one of there posts, and call them out about being "bias" or have "double standards" thats all i have to say on that subject.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:15 PM

[Mynzeyes]

LIFE > 6gc.net

if this isn't life, then why is manny calling dan?

because i have his #, and its much easier for me to pick up the phone and call him, then to sit here in this room with the computer and read this crap all day.

because that's proof that this really is part of someone's life. that's all. you don't have to defend or anything.

again, tangent. not the issue at hand.

This post has been edited by Mynzeyes: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:15 PM

[playr158]

I will offer up some more stupid crap here

Dan you brought alcohol to the CSP meet and even gave some to Tina, another minor at the time. I know because I dranks some of hers

I'm done here, you guys just keep arguing and have a good day

ya man you bastard you stole one too! you sooooo owe me one...oh wait thats contributing....better wait till november

oh manny i'm at work can't answer the fone

[presure2]

oh manny i'm at work can't answer the fone

call me when you get out.

[celicaST]

Here is my educated response: Complaints regarding this matter are silly and sound very whiney in the grand scheme of things...In the end, the administrator and mods can do what they want because they run the site. If I don't like it after raising the matter calmly and professionally, I could either: (a) drop it; (b) leave; or © cry or bitch about it. I happen to believe that there is no honor in the third choice.

quoted for truth! this thread is quite amusing, im done, carry on

[hurley97]

Back off "Migga". I was talking to Manny. Coomer chose him, but why does he deserve it?

This doesn't really concern you or Steff, both your posts are usually irrelevant and biased.

if there are people this does not concern then you shouldnt have made it a public topic for all to see and comment on. use the PM button

[devilsden97]

Back off "Migga". I was talking to Manny. Coomer chose him, but why does he deserve it?

This doesn't really concern you or Steff, both your posts are usually irrelevant and biased.

if there are people this does not concern then you shouldnt have made it a public topic for all to see and comment on. use the PM button

she makes a valid point. If u didnt want EVERYONE (because it does seem like everyone thats visiting the site is headed straight to this thread) to comment, and give there opinions, then u shouldnt have started this whole thing, by calling out Jeff, and Manny, and saying they have "double standards" and are "elitists"

(not saying ryan said ne of this specificly, im not trying to put words in his mouth, i just honestly believe that it was brought up/ went about was/is a very poor way of doing it, it makes the entire site look bad.)

[creis]

every one has opinions of what is ok, and what is not, I think the mods on here are doing a good job. its just a matter of opinion, and in the end theres is what matters so who cares, if your topic gets closed or deleted ask them why and then ask what you can change to make it ok, just be nice about it and follow the rules.

This post has been edited by creis: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:35 PM

[Mynzeyes]

he had a concern with the website. this is the proper forum. sometimes PMs and what not are not enough. plus this way, others get to offer opinions. and guess what, it DOES matter what people think about how this website is run.

not saying it will change anything. but hey, if you don't care about pleasing people, and you don't think their opinions matter, then you shouldn't be part of a public community. that's why people's opinions about the management really matters.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

he had a concern with the website. this is the proper forum. sometimes PMs and what not are not enough.

Plus they dont have to give you a reason they do something so putting it in the open shows that its something that needs attention and kinda puts some force upon them to address the issue at hand.

Im a mod on a site and i make it a point to reply to someone who has an issue with a deletion or lock I made. I can not personally stand when something of mine is deleted or action is taken against me and I am not given answers.

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:35 PM

[Defgeph]

I think we are getting the point here. Everybody had a chance to say what they wanted to say. This is an unbiased decision by myself.

I'm leaving this thread open till 6PM eastern time. After this time I will lock this thread, Coomer can review what was posted. He will then make his decision on what he wants to do, and or contact the necessary members if need be.

So If you have anything to add please do. Remember, keep it clean.



Jeff

[creis]

agreed. I'm just saying ingeneral dont give em a hard time about it there doing a good job, and if they spend all there time discusing why they did what they did it would take away from there time keeping the boards safe.

[devilsden97]

I think we are getting the point here. Everybody had a chance to say what they wanted to say. This is an unbiased decision by myself.

I'm leaving this thread open till 6PM eastern time. After this time I will lock this thread, Coomer can review what was posted. He will then make his decision on what he wants to do, and or contact the necessary members if need be.

So If you have anything to add please do. Remember, keep it clean.



Jeff

bravo. i honestly believe this is a fair/reasonable answer.

what i think is good about this, is that the threads been open for something close to 3 days, were getting to a point where were just beating a dead horse. Also by saying it will be close by 6PM est, it gives people to give there final arguments/plees/whatever ud like to call them.

IMO i believe that Jeff made the best decision for this situation

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:42 PM

[playr158]

I think we are getting the point here. Everybody had a chance to say what they wanted to say. This is an unbiased decision by myself.

I'm leaving this thread open till 6PM eastern time. After this time I will lock this thread, Coomer can review what was posted. He will then make his decision on what he wants to do, and or contact the necessary members if need be.

So If you have anything to add please do. Remember, keep it clean.



Jeff

word

(also lets note here this isn't ment to be a personal attack on any specific person.....the main issue was with a general staff and reason)


This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 24, 2006 - 4:41 PM

[Bigmeanbulldog55]

I think there needs to be some changes. Everyone knows that. If you don't know that, you are dumb. I don't attack often, but I will now. To say this place is perfect is stupid. It's good, and it'll have to get a good bit worse before I leave. I'm getting angry at the way some of this seems to be like talking to a wall. I know it's beating that dead horse, but one more crack at it lets people know, this horse needs to be prepped and buried. Let’s fix this issue guys. Everyone stop lying to themselves, trying to be things that they aren't, and making attacks and accusing remarks simply to make yourself look cool or belittle others.

[Mynzeyes]

I think there needs to be some changes. Everyone knows that. If you don't know that, you are dumb. I don't attack often, but I will now. To say this place is perfect is stupid. It's good, and it'll have to get a good bit worse before I leave. I'm getting angry at the way some of this seems to be like talking to a wall. I know it's beating that dead horse, but one more crack at it lets people know, this horse needs to be prepped and buried. Let’s fix this issue guys. Everyone stop lying to themselves, trying to be things that they aren't, and making attacks and accusing remarks simply to make yourself look cool or belittle others.

+1.

[WannabeGT4]

One suggestion before the lock. If nothing else changes, will you at least provide a reason for the lock/deletion and add it to the forum rules if it's not already there... That will eliminate some of the "gray area" that was mentioned before.

[Defgeph]

One suggestion before the lock. If nothing else changes, will you at least provide a reason for the lock/deletion and add it to the forum rules if it's not already there... That will eliminate some of the "gray area" that was mentioned before.

I like this idea, I'm all for that. This would definately help eliminate some of the confusion.
We'll see what Coomer wants to do.

After this I will not re-open this thread.

Thanks for typing your opinions.
Jeff