That one ticket i got. Options

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

well yeah im going to do a Trial by Declaration per VC 40902

www.helpigotaticket.com

that website helped me out alot I understand how i got to get it done now. u guys should sticky! lol its freee!

oh and btw the officer spelled juvenile wrong, he spelled "juvinle" could i possibly use it against him in court?

i did a VC 21461 (Fail to obey 2 posted signs) no turn on red even though it was safe to do so.

if i dont win by Trial by Declaration i could request a "Trial de Novo" and have a fresh start.

so what else do u guys suggest i should do? should i go take pictures of the complicated ass intersection?

hell ill even make a power point to impress da judge if i get to the Trial de Novo point.

i dont want stupid answers make it worth my while.

lol ooo watchout professional! lmao jp

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 19, 2006 - 12:28 AM

[ZacMan1987]

This post has been edited by ZacMan1987: Sep 19, 2006 - 7:27 PM

[DomGT]

If you have pled not guilty, go to court and hope he doesn't show up.

If the cop does, he will refer to hit notes and tell the judge what happened, and you'll be guilty.

Take a defensive driving course afterwards to get up to 4 points off your license, or 10% off liability and 10% off comprehensive insurance.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

damn insurance is gona pwn me now that i think about it lmao!

by the way this is California vehicle codes

court is in demember.

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 19, 2006 - 8:39 PM

[WH95TE]

I dont know about Cali, but a lot of times cops down here dont show up to court dates. Or they will keep putting it off and pushing the date back, so aslong as you keep showing up after awhile it just gets forgotton.

[Ryu3x16]

omg.... dude, Just the damn ticket and get it over with..
bottom line is that he caught you doing something illegal..
I wouldn't risk going to court and making a total fool of myself.
so my suggestion is.. PAY THE TICKET. trust me it will save you a hell of a lot of time

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

smartass

trial by decloration is not goin 2 court, its doing all the paperwork by mail!

i guess you guys havent heard of forum TR 205?

dont skim through what i wrote, actually take ur time and read it.

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 19, 2006 - 10:30 PM

[Ryu3x16]

see...that's why no one likes you here.. calling people names and getting mad when you're the one asking for suggestions.. whatever kid

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

see...that's why no one likes you here.. calling people names and getting mad when you're the one asking for suggestions.. whatever kid

u didnt read it.

thats why, teacup.

i should put it size 52 bolded and italic, i dont want stupid answers make it worth my while.

if i wanted to plead guilty i would do it but i already said im not gona say im guilty so that the city or norwalk could make money off me.

its a jip!

i came here to be willing to be supported by people that would help, not by negative nancys that are always like "do things by the books, law this law that, do this and it will get worse"

im not you okay, i wont pay.

havent u heard the saying its "better to die on ur feet than to live on ur knees"

well yea, i put up and then when i run out of options thats when i gotta pay up.

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 20, 2006 - 12:29 AM

[airfron]

you WILL lose the TBD if the officer sends in his report... and honestly think about how easy it is for him to send a report in that he has already filed. all you are accomplishing is postponing everything when you will lose.

my advice is you pay the ticket... and go to traffic school.. your insurance will not even find out about the ticket if you go to traffic school

and stop calling people names when they are stating the truth... YOU BROKE THE LAW AND GOT CAUGHT.. act like an adult

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

you WILL lose the TBD if the officer sends in his report... and honestly think about how easy it is for him to send a report in that he has already filed. all you are accomplishing is postponing everything when you will lose.

my advice is you pay the ticket... and go to traffic school.. your insurance will not even find out about the ticket if you go to traffic school

and stop calling people names when they are stating the truth... YOU BROKE THE LAW AND GOT CAUGHT.. act like an adult

officers dont get paid to send in a report on a TBD on their time, they gotta write a report just like ima do.

officers only get paid to be in court.

if he does send it i could do a trial de novo. fresh new trial and they cant hold the TBD against me.

watch when i defeat this ticket all of you are gona be like oh the "kid" did it

lol ima put some diagrams on the psp lol

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 20, 2006 - 12:36 AM

[airfron]

Have you tried looking up the VC on the DMV website? the fine is less than $100

your insurance won't be a problem either with traffic school. which you can do online in 45 min or less.

Just filing for a trial by declaration was a good idea for this on the chance he doesn't send his report in. But if he does happen to make a copy of the simple report he has already filed you will lose. And then you have your fresh start with an actual court appearance... If the officer doesn't show then your good as well, but you are completely counting on the officer not doing his job.

don't ask people what you should do and then bag on them for their responses.

if you beat the ticket then to you but i don't think its likely

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

Have you tried looking up the VC on the DMV website? the fine is less than $100

your insurance won't be a problem either with traffic school. which you can do online in 45 min or less.

Just filing for a trial by declaration was a good idea for this on the chance he doesn't send his report in. But if he does happen to make a copy of the simple report he has already filed you will lose. And then you have your fresh start with an actual court appearance... If the officer doesn't show then your good as well, but you are completely counting on the officer not doing his job.

don't ask people what you should do and then bag on them for their responses.

if you beat the ticket then to you but i don't think its likely

kudos 2 u pal u get the whole concept. thats the chance im taking.

[confucious]

well yeah im going to do a Trial by Declaration per VC 40902

www.helpigotaticket.com

that website helped me out alot I understand how i got to get it done now. u guys should sticky! lol its freee!

oh and btw the officer spelled juvenile wrong, he spelled "juvinle" could i possibly use it against him in court?

i did a VC 21461 (Fail to obey 2 posted signs) no turn on red even though it was safe to do so.

if i dont win by Trial by Declaration i could request a "Trial de Novo" and have a fresh start.

so what else do u guys suggest i should do? should i go take pictures of the complicated ass intersection?

hell ill even make a power point to impress da judge if i get to the Trial de Novo point.

i dont want stupid answers make it worth my while.

lol ooo watchout professional! lmao jp

wait, do you even have the slightest idea what you are talking about? a trial de novo is used in place of an appeal because new evidence will not be let into an appeal. i suppose you want the jury to let you off too no, the cop spelling something wrong wont get you off. i suggest go in there, talk to the judge and take your licks. you aren't going to "impress da judge" because he's seen it all before. go in there and be yourself (which you say is nothing like you on this forum) and be humble. don't be cocky or flashy, you'll be the laughing stock behind the scenes.

the cop not showing up in court is an urban myth. you can still get fined if the cop doesn't show up because there is a magical thing called a report. police officers do them for a reason.


AND FOR THE LAST TIME

i did a VC 21461 (Fail to obey 2 posted signs) no turn on red even though it was safe to do so.

YOU FAILED TO OBEY A POSTED SIGN THAT SAYS NO TURN ON RED. You are NOT allowed to turn on red REGARDLESS of how safe it is. There could be no traffic for weeks and you still CANNOT turn.

you WILL lose the TBD if the officer sends in his report... and honestly think about how easy it is for him to send a report in that he has already filed. all you are accomplishing is postponing everything when you will lose.

i'm not sure how things work in cali, but a report is always with the court documents.

and one last thing. you challenge this, get a lawyer, whatever route you go...

there are things called COURT COSTS. have fun paying them as they generally cost more than the ticket.

[zachattack15]

I dont understand how you can fight this in any way. The sign said no turn on red. You turned on red and got caught. Kind of like saying well the speed limit sign said 70 but I felt it was safe to go 120, so I did. You can't change the law because you think its safe.

[DomGT]

^^^ Is right, if you read my first post again, if the cop shows up, you will be guilty. But it's better to try and get out of it.

Your very young, 17 right? You have to give it a shot because you JUST got your license, you could be on a type of probation. 2 tickets this SOON may result in a suspension!

Give it a shot and hope the cop doesn't show up. If your still found guilty, take a class!

[BlackCelicaGT94]

well yeah im going to do a Trial by Declaration per VC 40902

www.helpigotaticket.com

that website helped me out alot I understand how i got to get it done now. u guys should sticky! lol its freee!

oh and btw the officer spelled juvenile wrong, he spelled "juvinle" could i possibly use it against him in court?

i did a VC 21461 (Fail to obey 2 posted signs) no turn on red even though it was safe to do so.

if i dont win by Trial by Declaration i could request a "Trial de Novo" and have a fresh start.

so what else do u guys suggest i should do? should i go take pictures of the complicated ass intersection?

hell ill even make a power point to impress da judge if i get to the Trial de Novo point.

i dont want stupid answers make it worth my while.

lol ooo watchout professional! lmao jp

This is written about the lawyer who is handling my case

i just read that alot of times people go into too much detail trying to get off a ticket so the judge ends up still giving it to them

Read below - read bold

Heres a link where its easier to read http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/loca...tickets02e.html


Drivers fighting tickets — and winning
By Jim Davis
Special to The Seattle Times


Ticket-fighting tips


• During the traffic stop, accept the ticket without admitting any guilt. A police officer can record an admission on a police report.
• If you're considering fighting a ticket, check the contested box on the ticket and return it within 15 days after receiving the ticket. You can still plead guilty at a later date if you change your mind.
• In court, be firm in your convictions. If you believe you did not commit the violation, say that to the judge.
• Stick with the facts of the case and don't bring up peripheral matters, such as an opinion that the police officer was rude.
• Be respectful and polite.
• Don't ignore the ticket. Fight the violation, pay the fine or ask the court to reduce the fine. Otherwise, your license could be suspended.
Source: Attorney John Mucklestone

Joseph Ayala got the first speeding ticket seven years ago. Instead of paying it, Ayala took the advice of his boss and hired a lawyer.
The lawyer, Jeannie Mucklestone, got the ticket dismissed. And Ayala has turned to her ever since.
"Jeannie's probably gotten me out of five tickets," said Ayala, a software developer who lives in Sammamish. "The last thing that I would want is five speeding tickets on my record."
More people in Washington are fighting — and beating — traffic tickets than ever before. More than 158,000 traffic charges were dismissed last year, twice as many as a decade ago.
Factoring in the growth in tickets issued, the dismissal rate grew over 10 years from fewer than nine out of every 100 traffic charges in 1996 to more than 13 out of every 100 last year.
There are a lot of reasons for it, but one is the emergence of a cottage industry of sorts: Attorneys like Jeannie Mucklestone and her lawyer brothers, James and John Mucklestone, have created niche practices in the art of getting people out of their tickets. (Traffic infractions are violations such as speeding or running red lights; they do not include parking violations or misdemeanors such as drunken driving.)
"Our clients, if we get their tickets dismissed, they think we're walking on water," John Mucklestone said.
But even attorneys may find it harder to fight tickets this year. Last December, Washington judges changed many rules, a move that has potential to reverse the trend. The changes, which closed some of the procedural loopholes that defendants could take advantage of, went into effect in January.
"There was nobody that went into this with the idea that we would rewrite the rules so that the defense attorneys would get fewer cases dismissed," said King County Judge David Steiner, who chairs the rules committee for the District and Municipal Court Judges' Association.
"But we went rule by rule to determine whether justice was being served and, in many cases, we found that it wasn't."
Jenni Christopher, a researcher at the state Administrative Office of the Courts, said she doesn't know of any analysis that explains the decade of growing dismissal rates: "We don't have any data that directly answers that question as to why."
One likely contributor to the increase is a change in traffic laws passed by the Legislature that went into effect in June 2000, said Kent Municipal Judge Glenn Phillips, a board member of the judges' association.
The change allows motorists to ask a court to erase a moving or nonmoving violation once every seven years — a kind of second chance for drivers to clear their record. If a judge grants the request, the motorist pays a fee to the court and must not commit another offense for up to a year. The violation isn't reported to the state Department of Licensing.
But the number of charges getting dismissed was growing rapidly even before that rule went into effect, according to figures from the Administrative Office of the Courts.


Hiring lawyers


The fact that more people are choosing to fight traffic tickets — nearly 122,000 last year, a 43 percent increase over 1996 — is likely also affecting the increase in dismissals.
While it's not clear why more people are fighting tickets, one thing is clear: More people are hiring lawyers to represent them.
"This is a burgeoning area of practice," said Steiner, who's on the bench in King County District Court in Redmond. "We have some calendars where the majority of [traffic] cases set are for people represented by counsel."
Lawyers have always defended traffic tickets, usually showing up in court for friends or family or doing a favor for a client. But it's become a niche practice for lawyers such as the Mucklestones.
John, Jeannie and James Mucklestone followed their parents into law, joining the family firm of Mucklestone & Mucklestone. When their father got a speeding ticket in Grant County in 1990, he assigned it to John, who got the ticket dismissed.
Over the years, the three siblings fought a few more traffic tickets, mainly for friends and family. Then in 1994, John Mucklestone advertised the service in a local newspaper. The phone has been ringing ever since.
"It just so happened we were three hungry attorneys and we needed to keep busy," he said.
Lawyers' fees for fighting tickets vary; the Mucklestones, who now have separate practices, charge $350 per infraction. Those who choose to just pay the ticket fine may pay anywhere from $101 for speeding or not using a seat belt to $950 for throwing a cigarette from a vehicle.
Those who turn to lawyers to fight tickets are usually concerned about their driving records, Jeannie Mucklestone said. Many are worried that their insurance rates will skyrocket or their insurance will be canceled outright.
"People want me to fight seat-belt tickets because they don't want it sent down [to the Department of Licensing]," she said.
What not to do
Nonlawyers who fight their traffic tickets rarely know the rules of the court, she said, describing a recent mistake she witnessed by a man defending himself.
The judge read a police report into the record and told the driver that the state has to prove the case against him. The judge also told the defendant there wasn't much to the report.
"He should have said, 'I think you should dismiss it — there's not enough there,' " Jeannie Mucklestone said. "And the judge would probably have dismissed it." Instead, the driver went into a long explanation of what had occurred, filling in all the details that the police report lacked. His testimony provided enough evidence for the judge to uphold the ticket.
Often, defense attorneys get their clients out of speeding tickets over procedural issues. For example, prosecutors are obligated to provide evidence to the defendant, notes James Mucklestone, who now practices in Arlington. Yet some jurisdictions don't have the resources to do that, he said. Skagit County was one such place.
"It became an open secret up there: You request A, B, C and D and you didn't get it, and then it was going to be dismissed," James Mucklestone said.

Skagit County District Attorney Tom Seguine said his office now devotes two law students to handling contested tickets.
"County prosecutors don't have a lot of resources to devote to infractions," Seguine said.
"It's a nagging problem for prosecutors, but given the amount of resources that we have available, we have to make choices."
Traffic lawyers also can get their clients out of tickets by paying attention to deadlines. Police officers must file tickets with the court in a timely manner and courts must set hearings within a certain amount of time. If the deadlines aren't met, traffic lawyers often argue successfully for the case to be dismissed.
But the new rules make that and other procedural moves harder.
Changes by judges
In the past two years, the District and Municipal Court Judges' Association has made a dozen revisions to the court procedural rules, all approved by the state Supreme Court. One change gives more time for police officers to turn in tickets and courts to set hearings.
Another involves a defendant's right to request that the police officer who issued the ticket appear in court. Some defense lawyers in the past would make the request but would bury it several pages deep in documents filed with the court, hoping it would be overlooked. If the police officer didn't appear, some judges would dismiss the case.
Under the new rules, defendants who request a police officer to appear in court must do it on a separate document.
John Mucklestone said he believes the judges went too far in rewriting the rules, but he thinks people will keep fighting their tickets.
"No matter how strict they make the rules ... people who feel like they are wrongly accused will always challenge their tickets," he said.

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Sep 20, 2006 - 2:52 PM

[hurley97]

how much is the ticket? like $50? things could be worse, trust me. IMO pay it and be done.

if you really want to fight it, go to court plead guilty with explaination in attempt to lower the fine. pleading not guilty when you did in fact do it will only make things worse.

[IMO of course. but do what you want]

edit: if you really believe that you didn't do it then by all means tell that to the judge. but if it said no turn on red and you turned you still broke the law, regardless of it being safe or not.

This post has been edited by hurley97: Sep 20, 2006 - 3:00 PM

[boosted_K2]

god why hasnt ANYONE told this kid what happens with 95% of minor traffic infractions.

you go to court, cop shows up. he calls you in the hall. you speak with him being nice etc and he does the same to you. he offers you a reduced ticket, usually impeding traffic. you pay the total sum of $100 and no points or penalties are assesed to your record or insurance. game over, 100 bucks, you are going to pay more for legal advice from a lawyer, and if you are going in there with the attitude that you are getting away scott-free you will be disappointed.

[BlackCelicaGT94]

cop shows up and u talk in the hall? hmm i never had that

when ive fought mine ive gone to court and explained my situation and then they reduce it down.

yeah for something minor like running a red light i wouldnt fight it - however with mine when ur facing a MISDEMENOR then yeah ur going to fight it :-) cuz its cheaper to get a lawyer and get it dropped completely or reduced then to let it play out on its own

[confucious]

god why hasnt ANYONE told this kid what happens with 95% of minor traffic infractions.

you go to court, cop shows up. he calls you in the hall. you speak with him being nice etc and he does the same to you. he offers you a reduced ticket, usually impeding traffic. you pay the total sum of $100 and no points or penalties are assesed to your record or insurance. game over, 100 bucks, you are going to pay more for legal advice from a lawyer, and if you are going in there with the attitude that you are getting away scott-free you will be disappointed.

that changes from state to state jurisdiction to jurisdiction. i find that quite weird that you'd bargain with the cop, considering he isn't the one bringing the charges against you.

[airfron]

god why hasnt ANYONE told this kid what happens with 95% of minor traffic infractions.

you go to court, cop shows up. he calls you in the hall. you speak with him being nice etc and he does the same to you. he offers you a reduced ticket, usually impeding traffic. you pay the total sum of $100 and no points or penalties are assesed to your record or insurance. game over, 100 bucks, you are going to pay more for legal advice from a lawyer, and if you are going in there with the attitude that you are getting away scott-free you will be disappointed.

that has never happened to me or anyone i know here in california. the cops would want to nail you for as much as they could anyway

when you are called that is when your case is being heard by the judge... i wish i could talk to the cop that cited me before court, but i am fairly certain that the judge will just hand me my own ass fine me at least $500 put two points on my record and then say next like those angry ladies at the DMV.

i'm depressed . i think i'm gonna go wallow in self-pity for a while

[zachattack15]

I was lucky when I went to court. I got a ticket doing 107 in a 60. Asked the cop to see the radar gun and he acted as if I was getting cocky with him and didnt let me see the gun. I work at an automotive shop and I got my boss to write me up a statement that my speedometer was 8 mph off (which it is). So I went into court with an attorney (who was my dads friend) and was ready to fight the ticket. My cop ended up not showing up so I got off free. If you do plead not guilty in court and lose. You have to pay a court fee on top of what you have to pay for the ticket. So make sure if you pleas not guilty you have a good enough reason to get out of the ticket.

[hurley97]

i got pulled over for 105 in a 65 and the cop added a few other stupid things in for good measure... it was a $376 ticket in the end.

it happened in CT where the policy is that if you plead guilty and pay the fine in full no points against your license are assessed but it still stays on your record and is reported to your insurance company...although I'm not sure how/if that translates to the point system in NJ

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

i cant get points, i gots a permit lol

so i duno how its gona work. since technically im not a real driver yet with no license.

so its gona be confusing.

if ur wondering i wass driving with my mom too.

[hurley97]

wow. and the cop still gave you a ticket? did you tell him you were just learning to drive? I would assume either the cop would let you off, write up the ticket for your mom, or revoke your permit and make you start over.

[confucious]

wow. and the cop still gave you a ticket? did you tell him you were just learning to drive? I would assume either the cop would let you off, write up the ticket for your mom, or revoke your permit and make you start over.

i'm assuming the cop asked for license and saw that it was a learners permit.

he can't write the ticket to the mom, she wasn't in control of the vehicle.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

i told him no but i got a permit he took it and he wass like "how old are you" i wass like "15" and he wass like oh wow we dont see that many of you anymore

i wass like man this officer only cares about his job and dosent give a crap about the community.

he wass a sherrif now that i think of it. still no point in giving me a ticket.

yea my mom tried to explain all of that. learning 2 drive and all of that. maybe if i tell that to the judge he could possibly dissmiss it.

than i wont have 2 pay court fines or anything.

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 20, 2006 - 7:37 PM

[ZacMan1987]

i wass like man this officer only cares about his job and dosent give a crap about the community.

Yeah. That's why he's a cop asshat. Why are we still talking to this kid? He's 15, broke a law by turning right on red when it was clearly posted that he could not do this, and now labors under the delusion that he is going to beat this ticket. This is the 2nd thread about this ticket. It is no more legible than the first one, nor is it any more intelligent. If he wants to fight, let him fight, but for the love of mike, please stop fostering such ignorance.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

ignorance?

tickets have been beaten many times before by people.

its not like "ooo this guy's gona try to beat a ticket, its impossible."

ignorance is when you dont know what ur talking about. look it up.

[Chanh55]

ignorance?

tickets have been beaten many times before by people.

its not like "ooo this guy's gona try to beat a ticket, its impossible."

ignorance is when you dont know what ur talking about. look it up.

Maybe if you showed a little respect to people when you talk or ask them questions, they'll return the favor...

[DomGT]

You don't think you can get points because you have a permit?

Think again buddy.

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

ignorance?

tickets have been beaten many times before by people.

its not like "ooo this guy's gona try to beat a ticket, its impossible."

ignorance is when you dont know what ur talking about. look it up.

Maybe if you showed a little respect to people when you talk or ask them questions, they'll return the favor...

i respect people that respect me first.

i asked a simple little question and people poked at it and poked at it and it turned into a big ugly thing.

1 thing i learned is dont make the fire bigger than it is.

tried it, didnt work.

thx 4 tha lil tip tho should be on the forum rules

This post has been edited by XS4lv1Truch0x: Sep 21, 2006 - 10:06 PM

[hitcachi]

how does a topic this stupid have 32 replies??

[XS4lv1Truch0x]

miracle?

[confucious]

Maybe if you showed a little respect to people when you talk or ask them questions, they'll return the favor...

thats the funny thing. i could probably guide him through getting out of it.