Big Brake Kit, 6gc GT Options

[Punisher]

Sneak peak.. this is the new rotor.. that is a 16" 7th gen rim.


Stock Rotor w/ rim installed
Stock GT Rotor no rim
New rotor no rim

Probably be 2 versions of the brake kit. One would be a 318mm rotor designed for use on 16" or larger rims. The other would be a 323mm rotor which will only fit 17" or larger rims. Both using the same 4 pot caliper. Personally I'll be using 318mm rotor.. The price difference between the two will be pretty small.. The 318mm kit will actually be the more expensive one.. between 30-40 dollars more.
Btw, these are camera phone pictures... I never thought I'd see the day when cam phone pics looked this good...

[lagos]

your going to need some big rims to clear the rotors/calipers

[GT202]

nice one! very similar to mine, excuse the tatty wheel




these are 324 mm with 18 inch wheel

[Punisher]

your going to need some big rims to clear the rotors/calipers

Hence the reason for 2 kits.. the 318mm kit will clear a 16" rim. I don't want people to have to upgrade to a 17 or larger if they already have 16's...

[celicast3sgte]

very interesting.. lets see the calipers

[Punisher]

very interesting.. lets see the calipers

soon.

[95CelicaST]

how much is a kit?

[hurley97]

like I said in the other thread... if you guys need an ST to test fit the GT setup and see if it works for both let me know, I'm in the area and Corey has my number

[Punisher]

like I said in the other thread... if you guys need an ST to test fit the GT setup and see if it works for both let me know, I'm in the area and Corey has my number

Yes, Corey told me all about you.....

[hurley97]

like I said in the other thread... if you guys need an ST to test fit the GT setup and see if it works for both let me know, I'm in the area and Corey has my number

Yes, Corey told me all about you.....

oh geez... good things I hope

[Drew-887]

So how much is this kit and what does it come with?

[tim86]

nice, im interested... could these come slotted?

[Punisher]

Yes, they could come slotted. Not certain about price yet, I want to keep it around a grand though...

Just from my testing so far... most people unless you have an offset of probably around +30 to +25... are going to need to use a rim spacer to fit these calipers. With my 7th gen rims, I can fit the smaller brake kit if I use a 15mm spacer..

I'll be making and selling spacers to go along with the kits.. using ARP wheel studs.. The spacers will be hubcentric.

This post has been edited by Punisher: Mar 9, 2007 - 1:05 AM

[urbandork]

update?

[Kadett]

Are those ST205 brake rotors?

[Punch]

any updates

[purplegt4]

we need updates

[SlowCelica94]

Not to destory your sales, but no one one this forum actually needs a big brake kit. It's mostly a fashion statement unless you're roas coursing all the time. A lot of these guy could get by great with a SS lines, a Hawk/EBC pad, fresh rotors and some nice fuild. That would be perfect for the daily driver and weekend autocrosser.

It worked out great on my old 6gc, paired with the Eagle F1 gsd3's. For only about $300 or less, I saved my car from many a deer

[lagos]

Not to destory your sales, but no one one this forum actually needs a big brake kit. It's mostly a fashion statement unless you're roas coursing all the time. A lot of these guy could get by great with a SS lines, a Hawk/EBC pad, fresh rotors and some nice fuild. That would be perfect for the daily driver and weekend autocrosser.

It worked out great on my old 6gc, paired with the Eagle F1 gsd3's. For only about $300 or less, I saved my car from many a deer

i can think of a few guys on here that do need big brakes.

[playr158]

^i doubt SERIOUSLY doubt that anyone on this forum will make good use of a Big brake kit...except for show reasons....
a "BBK" will NOT help braking on the street or on a drag strip. (having a 3s doesn't constitute the need either)

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 22, 2007 - 11:08 PM

[kerosene]

image is dead...

[purplegt4]

a "BBK" will NOT help braking on the street or on a drag strip.

then porsches don't need them either.


why question who needs it or not. nobody needs a 3s, nobody needs half the crap they put on their car. all that was requested was an update.

[playr158]

hey i want them cause they look pretty
and just for clarification...my friends GT3 porsche does need them

but my point wasn't directed towards you. it was Lagos' post
mine was merely to make sure people understand what a BBK really does/is for
by stating its not for any street gains

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 22, 2007 - 11:42 PM

[rzanology]

bring on the god damn big brake kit!!!!!

price pleeeaase!!!!

[Batman722]

just do a 7th gen BBK, it was confirmed a long time ago.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=8498

This post has been edited by Batman722: Jul 23, 2007 - 1:20 AM

[jesterwr217]

have you guys seen this?
cheaper here

This post has been edited by jesterwr217: Jul 23, 2007 - 11:25 AM

[x_itchy_b_x]

After this weekends experience in New york, in both of my friends wrx's. one with a big brake kit and one without. the difference was obnoxiously noticeable while one would slide past the point where the other stopped and the brakes would smell horrible, the other could stop on a dime and the pedal was so firm.
both cars have 250 awhp and going from 120mph to 40mph at Limerock Raceway where they are both licensed drivers the larger brakes made a big difference. The way I plan to/do drive the celica, big brakes would definitely benefit anyone wanting better stopping power.

[playr158]

big brakes don't get warm enough nor perform better than OEM sized brakes on the street. its a fact

THOUGH if they take them out to LIMEROCK thats a much different story. Where BBK would get proper use and function like it should.

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 23, 2007 - 11:48 AM

[Kadett]

Its not only that the rotor is bigger. The whole brake pad surface is bigger = more stopping power. That has nothing to do with heating up or not. Thats only the case when upgrading to better gripping brake pads that are semi/track use.

[purplegt4]

take a moment to read some technical papers and FAQs from stoptech.com, then everybody should throw in their two cents.

stoptech.com FAQs

[purplegt4]

What pad will work best for both street and track use?

This is likely the most often asked question, and there is no single clear-cut answer. The actual answer is no pad will work "best" in both environment's, there will always be a compromise in one area of operation. Pads are asked to do a number of different tasks in different situations. You need to ask yourself which of the following are most important to your particular driving style. When you understand the variables, you will be better able to pick the best pad.

1. COLD STOPPING PERFORMANCE. How well does the pad grip on the first stop when the system is at ambient temperature?
2. HOT STOPPING PERFORMANCE. How the pad reacts in higher temperature such as on the track?
3. PAD LIFE. How long will the pads last in a given driving environment?
4. ROTOR LIFE. How aggressive is the pad on the rotor, will it groove the surface?
5. NOISE. Does the pad squeal?
6. DUST. How much dust does the pad generate, how easy is it to clean?
7. COST. Is the pad affordable compared to how it performs?

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#23

[purplegt4]

o man. i'm almost sorry i brought this topic back to life. I just wanted to lay all the brake upgrades out in front of me. so, bbks are out. on to 7th gen r&d.

no quarrels needed.

[purplegt4]

Won't bigger caliper pistons stop better?

A bigger set of caliper pistons will provide more clamping pressure on that axle, but could have a negative effect on total brake performance. If the pistons are too large for the application there will be excessive pedal travel and an adverse change in front to rear balance resulting in extended stopping distances. Also, clamping forces can easily become so strong that pre-mature lock-up will occur making brake modulation difficult. StopTech is the only big brake kit manufacturer building our own calipers specifically for each application while maintaining or improving system balance.

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/faqs.shtml#14

be careful.

[x_itchy_b_x]

lol, this is a funny thread. half the people are talking about street use the other track use. street use you buy a different compound pad.... track use you buy a different more aggressive pad. either way the larger 8! piston calipers will stop it better than a 2 piston. no bickering about it...

[jesterwr217]

have you guys seen this?
cheaper here

ok everyone quit your bitchn and answer me this are these kits good i want them mainly for show because i have a show car so just lemme kno if this kit is good and if it has everything i need

[RCTCelica]

everyone can benefit from a big brake kit, it doesn't matter if you are pushing 600whp or 150whp. for the high output cars a BBK will do the obvious and for a lower output car it doesn't hurt to stop when you want to stop.

most of us experienced "mushy" or "spongy" brake pedals on a hot summer day and we all know that it doesn't feel good and it's not that safe. a bbk will eliminate all of that and your braking will greatly improve.

when i upgraded my braking system, i felt a huge difference in stopping power. before the BBK i did the rotor and SS lines thinking that it would be the same as a complete BBK, i was dead wrong.

i got a custom setup that consist of:

-6 piston wilwood calipers
-13 inch 2 piece crossed drilled and slotted rotors
-ss brake lines
-bolt on hardware

and here are the benefits:

-stop on a dime
-less pad wear
-less rotor wear
-less brake dust
-solid brake pedal feedback at all times

my cars output is not anywhere near high performance but i can see that the kit benefits me in many ways (going 90 on the interstate and having to rapidly slow down do to sudden traffic). now, i have had and driven 500+ whp cars and i can feel that the BBK remains consistant at all times.

now, what i can say is that a 6 piston caliper with a 13 inch rotor that is drilled and slotted is something that i will never "fully use" but i got it due to show reasons as well. if you guys are not showing you car and don't plan on it a 4 piston upgrade with a 12 rotor should be good.

as i mentioned eariler, a bbk pads will last practically forever since it stops you with less rotor rotations in other words a stock setup may stop you within 100 full rotor rotation with the calipers compressed but a BBK will do the job in a fraction of that amount due to the larger surface of the rotor and pads.




dennis

[RCTCelica]

[RCTCelica]

Lagos, I can't believe how immature and ignorant you are. Playr is right, you can slap that bbk on and then watch your crappy cum-hoes struggle to grip the road.

And why did you say to playr "i didnt realize you had a car with more then 100hp"? If you honestly think your 3s is so bad, come line up with my 1.3L. Semi turbos will shut you up pretty quick.

Lagos, you've been proven wrong, accept it. You've simply been bested by someone who knows more about cars then you. Deal with it.

S'ok i can always bring out my 2XXhp chic car and do some ownage....it got stock brakes too?!

most of us experienced "mushy" or "spongy" brake pedals on a hot summer day and we all know that it doesn't feel good and it's not that safe. a bbk will eliminate all of that and your braking will greatly improve.

a stock sized system can have this corrected as well.
proper fluid, SS lines and good pads
though BBK will eliminate it too....(i like your kit though its very nice)

thanks for the complement on the kit. yes, a stock system can be improved by ss lines to better pads and rotors to prevent the "mushy" feel but the heat generated from the smaller rotors (rotationg more times when stopping) can cause many imperfections such a rotor cracks and premature brake wear.

with a higher heat count, your fluids will not work as well. in a worse case senerio, your fluids heat up causing vapors. vapors equals gas which equals air pockets with your lines causing. time to bleed your brakes.

[SlowCelica94]

Agreed. The point when I realized it when in an integra with type-r brakes (other aftmrkt braking crap) at turn 7 on putmen park when I was introduced to the worse case of brake fade I've ever seen.

My point is, you're only going to expirence brake fade on the track. Street cars with bbk's are a waste of cash

[x_itchy_b_x]

my car sees track like driving often.( when it runs) i dont go out to get groceries in it if you know what i mean.
let the driver decide whether he would benefit from big brakes. not a cost to performance ratio between upgraded line ect. and big brakes. im using those two wrx's as my bench mark and the street driving braking was still better on the big brake setup. im not lying.

[playr158]

aite enough....get back on topic

[Defgeph]

Take this as fair warning SlowCelica94, Playr158, Lagos.

If you can't have a civilized conversation about a topic, without slander, vulgarities, and immaturity. You will be warned and put on mod preview. You must respect fellow members and follow the site's rules.



As for what I think about this topic. Mild upgrades are more than enough for street use. SSlines, upgraded pads, and a fresh set of rotors.

Raising the HP levels of a car also shifts you toward looking into better braking performance. Although I'm not there yet, I believe we'll need to looking into BBKs once we are closer to the 300hp levels.

Remember, these cars were designed with 115hp in mind.

[lagos]

hawk hps pads with brembo blanks.

[SlowCelica94]

What's fuild like? Ever have to replace a caliper?

[lagos]

normal dot 4 fluid. calipers are original.

[SlowCelica94]

normal dot 4 fluid. calipers are original.

Is the fuild old? I'm guessing your brake fuild has broken down and is causing some brake fade. Also, your calipers are probably lossing some of their spunk from age. When I had to change out all 4 (ouch!) on my rx-7, I noticed a big difference in brakes power....course that was with some fresh dot 4 syn fuild

[RCTCelica]

ok here are the pros and cons of having the BBK (this is coming from someone who has a BBK for 2 years)

pros:
-quality parts
-stop on a dime
-solid overall braking in any driving conditions (cruising and track)
-less rotor caliper wear
-less brake dust
-no brake squeal
-looks great
-safety

cons:
-crossed drilled and slotted rotors will have slight brake pedal vibrations but "uncut and undrilled" rotors are smooth
-heavier than stock
-depending on your rim your might need spacers to clear the phone receiver size caliper
-just because you can stop on a dime doesnt mean the car behind you can, so dont slam on your brakes if you dont have to
-let your passenger know when you are going to "test out" your bbk so they can hold on.

PLEASE NOTE:

do not get a BBK if your suspension system is not upgraded. hard braking with loose front suspension is pointless and you will not get the full effect of a BBK and make sure you have decent tires. there is also no point in getting a BBK if you have drums in the back, it just doesnt look right.

[lagos]

no, the fluid was just changed and the calipers have about 70k on them. so while they are not brand new, i would imagine they still have some good spunk left in them.

for the most part the car stops well, however there have been a few instances where i have noticed the limitations of this setup. you are right, no one NEEDS a bbk. but once you start making more and more power and add more weight to the car with something like a motor swap, you will start to outgrow those stock calipers/rotors. a lot of it depends on your driving habits too.

someone like itchty, with 330hp at the wheels would probably benefit a lot from a bbk.

[SlowCelica94]

RCT, do you only have BBK's up front? And noise is determined by pad selection

[playr158]

ok here are the pros and cons of having the BBK (this is coming from someone who has a BBK for 2 years)

pros:
-quality parts
-stop on a dime
-solid overall braking in any driving conditions (cruising and track)
-less rotor caliper wear
-less brake dust
-no brake squeal
-looks great
-safety

cons:
-crossed drilled and slotted rotors will have slight brake pedal vibrations but "uncut and undrilled" rotors are smooth
-heavier than stock
-depending on your rim your might need spacers to clear the phone receiver size caliper
-just because you can stop on a dime doesnt mean the car behind you can, so dont slam on your brakes if you dont have to
-let your passenger know when you are going to "test out" your bbk so they can hold on.

PLEASE NOTE:

do not get a BBK if your suspension system is not upgraded. hard braking with loose front suspension is pointless and you will not get the full effect of a BBK and make sure you have decent tires. there is also no point in getting a BBK if you have drums in the back, it just doesnt look right.

good points...except squeal is going to depend on what kit you have and what pads you are running.
safety while that can be relatively placed on both pros and cons (thats just my opinion) some BBK are overdone and not correctly done for the car, which leads to over/unbalanced braking (while its a less common problem)

but glad you are bringing in functioning point of view......
haha BBK + rear drums = you are doing something wrong...very wrong.
front suspension + good quality tires = needed, great point

and someone is HIGHLY missing the point HIGH HP doesn't always necessitate in the need for bigger brakes.
speculation = t3h badz yo

stock sized brakes and non cross drilled p00r





This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:09 PM

[RCTCelica]

no, the fluid was just changed and the calipers have about 70k on them. so while they are not brand new, i would imagine they still have some good spunk left in them.

for the most part the car stops well, however there have been a few instances where i have noticed the limitations of this setup. you are right, no one NEEDS a bbk. but once you start making more and more power and add more weight to the car with something like a motor swap, you will start to outgrow those stock calipers/rotors. a lot of it depends on your driving habits too.

someone like itchty, with 330hp at the wheels would probably benefit a lot from a bbk.

that is correct, many people forget about stopping power and only focus on horsepower.

[RCTCelica]

ok here are the pros and cons of having the BBK (this is coming from someone who has a BBK for 2 years)

pros:
-quality parts
-stop on a dime
-solid overall braking in any driving conditions (cruising and track)
-less rotor caliper wear
-less brake dust
-no brake squeal
-looks great
-safety

cons:
-crossed drilled and slotted rotors will have slight brake pedal vibrations but "uncut and undrilled" rotors are smooth
-heavier than stock
-depending on your rim your might need spacers to clear the phone receiver size caliper
-just because you can stop on a dime doesnt mean the car behind you can, so dont slam on your brakes if you dont have to
-let your passenger know when you are going to "test out" your bbk so they can hold on.

PLEASE NOTE:

do not get a BBK if your suspension system is not upgraded. hard braking with loose front suspension is pointless and you will not get the full effect of a BBK and make sure you have decent tires. there is also no point in getting a BBK if you have drums in the back, it just doesnt look right.

good points...except squeal is going to depend on what kit you have and what pads you are running.
safety while that can be relatively placed on both pros and cons (thats just my opinion) some BBK are overdone and not correctly done for the car, which leads to over/unbalanced braking (while its a less common problem)

but glad you are bringing in functioning point of view......
haha BBK + rear drums = you are doing something wrong...very wrong.
front suspension + good quality tires = needed, great point

and someone is HIGHLY missing the point HIGH HP doesn't always necessitate in the need for bigger brakes.
speculation = t3h badz yo

you make a good point about the car being balanced. thats why im not a big fan of modifing BBK to fit different cars.

as for the part about high output doesn't require bigger brakes; that just depends on the driving sport or driving habits. for example, in drag racing a BBK is not needed even with the high hp output. this is simply because the driver will launch and apply the brake at the very end and release the chute. no BBK equals weight saved.

now, in drift and super GT BBK are needed and required. this is because the driver is constantly applying the brakes to set up for the next corner. in other words, go into the corner hard, apply the brakes hard, and accelerate out of the apex point hard.

it just depends on the person and what they are tryng to get out of there car. a 3sgte swap does not require a BBK if the driver is not going to get on the gas pedal. a 7afe celica may need a BBK since autocross does not require high hp but it does require a braking system that can take abuse.

[SlowCelica94]

RTC, you most have missed my post. Are you running BBK's on only the front, or back as well?

[RCTCelica]

RCT, do you only have BBK's up front? And noise is determined by pad selection

i only have big brakes in the front and i did the dics brake swap in the rear. the rear consist of sp slotted rotors, hawk pads and ss lines. and yes, noise is determined by the pad selection.

let me know if you have any questions

[Kadett]

RCT, How much did that kit set you back?

[RCTCelica]

RCT, How much did that kit set you back?

the kit set me back around 2k. you can get bbk slightly cheaper but i opted for the 6pot dynalite calipers coated red and 13 inch slotted/drill rotors. plus it's custom made. 100% bolt on

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:42 PM

[SlowCelica94]

RCT, do you only have BBK's up front? And noise is determined by pad selection

i only have big brakes in the front and i did the dics brake swap in the rear. the rear consist of sp slotted rotors, hawk pads and ss lines. and yes, noise is determined by the pad selection.

let me know if you have any questions

So I'm guessing you're running a perportioning valve too, right? And doesn't that combo throw off the car balance? How do it effect left foot breaking and trail-breaking?

[purplegt4]

7afe celica may need a BBK since autocross does not require high hp but it does require a braking system that can take abuse.

now the question is RCT, where'd u get em?

[RCTCelica]

7afe celica may need a BBK since autocross does not require high hp but it does require a braking system that can take abuse.

now the question is RCT, where'd u get em?

call up my buddy who has a performacne shop. www.rctperformance.com speak to ryan or james. tell them dennis recommended you. they will hook you up

This post has been edited by RCTCelica: Jul 23, 2007 - 3:57 PM

[purplegt4]

cool. good to know. thx.

[Defgeph]

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