Auto 5sfte with dyno vids Options

[LewFX]

Many thanks to manny (pressure2), derrick (Maskedman), craig (urbandork), eyner (boostineggs), dan (playr158) and everyone else who helped me with this project....

Current status is 75% done.










more pics to come as it gets finished

This post has been edited by LewFX: Nov 20, 2007 - 12:36 PM

[Chanh55]

Can't wait! You better let me drive. =)

[bccentaur3]

Awesome, I like how this was under the radar and all of the sudden out of no where BAM turbo.

[LewFX]

secret project now exposed.
parts list:
ct26 turbo dual entry
3s manifold
3s aftermarket downpipe
3s oil pan
2 bar map sensor from 3s alltrac
apexi N1 muffler
custom battery relocation kit
Apexi Neo
rx-7 460cc 195500-2010 Injectors
3" magnaflow cat convertor
walbro 255 lph fuel pump
mobil 1 synthetic atf fluid
ngk irdiums spark plugs gapped 0.30
lotek pillar pod
3" resonator
prosport oil pressure and boost gauges
ic and piping with t-clamps from just-intercoolers
fujita 3.5" air filter
Forge Diverter valve

[MaskedMan]

I have like 2 pictures I can post haha. When are we going to finish this? (I realize I can just ask you on AIM right now but im a post whore)

[elvasoshexai]

is it just me or is there a sudden explosion of 5sftes now? hah

[lagos]

looking good man.
i would add a wideband to that list. it will help you a lot in fine tuning or troubleshooting once the car is back on the road.

[urbandork]

i cant believe we worked 20+ hours straight with maybe a 1 to 2 hr. nap...... man i look tired lol... im still amazed that as tired as maskedman and i were the ic pipe routing turned out to look good

btw everyone lewfx is a great cook

[Jen]

ya'll are effing crazy.

[njccmd2002]

secret project now exposed.
parts list:
ct26 turbo dual entry
3s manifold
3s aftermarket downpipe
3s oil pan
2 bar map sensor from 3s alltrac
apexi N1 muffler
custom battery relocation kit
Apexi Neo
rx-7 460cc 195500-2010 Injectors
3" magnaflow cat convertor
walbro 255 lph fuel pump
mobil 1 synthetic atf fluid
ngk irdiums spark plugs gapped 0.30
lotek pillar pod
3" resonator
prosport oil pressure and boost gauges
ic and piping with t-clamps from just-intercoolers
fujita 3.5" air filter
Forge Diverter valve

is this an all inclusive list. Or there is more. About how much in $$$

[LewFX]

aem wideband will be here today

[presure2]

looks good jeff.
good to see guys getting together like that from the site to get things together. it really does make things easier, and more fun.
are you using the 3s cooant elbow to the ratiator? id like to see a couple more pics of that area.

[LewFX]

yes there is allot of 5sfte's lately but how many are auto!

[presure2]

yes there is allot of 5sfte's lately but how many are auto!

it will last a little while....till you turn up the boost.
wannabe proved that.

5sfte makes more torque than the 3s, and thats the killer.
i demand more pics, damnit!

[Chanh55]

Jeff's cooking does look good. I second that ^... More pics!

[snapshotgt]

You guys rock.

[LewFX]

breakfast:
onion bagel topped with philadelphia cream cheese, egg, ham, sweet onions, and tillamock medium cheddar cheese..

lunch:
garlic bbq chicken with sweet onions with garlic salted fries.

dinner for eyner made by a 13 yr old:
hot dog on a piece of bread with mozzelera cheese sticks!

[lubu]

breakfast:
onion bagel topped with philadelphia cream cheese, egg, ham, sweet onions, and tillamock medium cheddar cheese..

lunch:
garlic bbq chicken with sweet onions with garlic salted fries.

dinner for eyner made by a 13 yr old:
hot dog on a piece of bread with mozzelera cheese sticks!

sounds good too

[1bwilson]

Looking good Lew, teasers over, more pics!

[urbandork]

looks good jeff.
good to see guys getting together like that from the site to get things together. it really does make things easier, and more fun.
are you using the 3s cooant elbow to the ratiator? id like to see a couple more pics of that area.

using a random hose form autozone or some place from the rad. to the elbow hard line. From the elbow to the water junction we are using a part of the 5s rad hose and we also shortened the elbow by about an inch.

[LewFX]

few more teaser shots before my camera batteries died on me..




This post has been edited by LewFX: Nov 6, 2007 - 12:19 AM

[Defgeph]

Very cool Jeff ! Looks mean.

[bccentaur3]

Trying to keep it stealth I see.

[urbandork]

OMG noooooo

jefff... man i cant believe u painted the silicone couples... u know when u put the clamps on the paint will eventually crack and fall off... see if u can take the paint off with out hurting the finish of the silicone did you at least sand down the pipe a bit and get all of the greasy finger prints off?????

man.... u should have just painted the pipes.... all that hard work trying to make ur ic pipe setup look clean and now its all blahck..... and next time take off the couples and paint the pipe.... dont just lazy-it and paint the pipe with the couple on like u did with the turbo intake pipe

and straighten out that 135 coupler so that way the u bend we cut will point in the direction we planed for the vertical pipe to route...

gaaarhhhh i turn my head for a few seconds and things are just willy nillied...... kinda like the A arm and sub frame bolts that were willy nilliedly taken off while i was napping and forgotten to be put back on: only to be realized after we took the car off the jack stands and attempted to roll the car in....... omg im heading down there after class and helping you with stuff man....

[808celica]

you guys wanna fly to Oahu, Hawaii and help me if i decided to do the 5sTfe.........i've heard that the 5s will blow.........very bad........what about a 5sgTe???? possible???

[netrata]

You might as well put in a 3sgte in there 808celica. LewFX, looking good there.

This post has been edited by netrata: Nov 6, 2007 - 8:17 AM

[LewFX]

relax craig...i got a surprise for you

[CaliJeff]

you guys wanna fly to Oahu, Hawaii and help me if i decided to do the 5sTfe.........i've heard that the 5s will blow.........very bad........what about a 5sgTe???? possible???

havent heard of it happening yet, except to ppl that didnt follow directions fully.

[urbandork]

relax craig...i got a surprise for you

ooohhh nooo more surprises ...... i hope its not like the surprise of the missing A arm bolts..... ill call u today after my first class.

... lol u know i love you man ahah


hope its a good surprise

[MaskedMan]

So what was the surprise? I was there, but I think I missed it. Your intercooler piping is much better now. I don't know how many more days I can stay over this late man haha. I would usually be fine but I have Class in 3 hours haha. Atleast me and craig had a nice GT4 cruise woot woot. You might want to buy some more brake fluid cleaner.

[LewFX]

damn im tired! 85-90% done

[goferris]

WTF?!?!?
how did this happen? i thought you were waiting for a beams? this totally took everyone by surprise.
you don't want to sell me your old headers do ya


lookin good man. lookin good

[snapshotgt]

The black intercooler looks nice. Very stealth.

[Chanh55]

Lookin' good guys... Almost done!

[boosted95]

didnt even know you could paint an intercooler*

[frosty]

God bless at the large pics!

Very nice...I sense a manual swap coming soon....

[urbandork]

thanks jeff for being patient with myself and MaskedMan.... but the ic pipe looks a lot better now and the gauges are pimp status... i can sleep at night knowing that the job we did looks nice...

when i left the first day


when i saw it the day after i hadnt been there (aaaahhhhhh i was going to cry)


and how it was after i left my second day of being there (i can sleep now)


job well done
woot woot

This post has been edited by urbandork: Nov 7, 2007 - 2:35 PM

[MaskedMan]

Mmmmm check out that wiring of the O2 sensor, that's very clean and professional looking huh? Yo Jeff, I'm going to come over and clean up some of the wiring I did for the guages. It was 2am in the morning and I rushed it haha. Let me do it Friday please, it's bothering me that I did a spagetti job like that haha. Where's the picture of Urbandork and the muffler? (that's right Craig, I said Urbandork, since you call me MaskedMan). Well atleast after all these days, Jeff is calling us by the right names Craig. Phew fantastic job guys! The pictures don't do it justice.

[snapshotgt]

Hehem - We're going to need some videos guys.

[MaskedMan]

Hehem - We're going to need some videos guys.

I think I took some video by accident haha.

[bccentaur3]

Hehem - We're going to need some videos guys.

X2 on that.

[6strngs]

the job looks very clean and professional! what'd you use to paint the IC piping? and I really wanna know what that apexi NI sounds like!

[LewFX]

update: oil pressure gauge hooked up, wideband hooked up, piping is 98% done (need to shorten 1 pipe)...thats it for tonight...
whats left:
connect air hose from boost gauge, get the final 2 injectors cleaned, then install...put the cross member back on, tighten motor mount, install dp support bracket...tune with neo...go get exhaust done

[6strngs]

are you even using a BOV?

[twitchh17]

yoyoyo you should add that i-VTEC to the 5sfte. will make it faster with great gains.

[LewFX]

i have a forge divertor...i need to have exhaust dude weld some plugs

[trdcelica94]

nice work. how big is the pipping 3" all the way . kind exhaust are you using?

[LewFX]

3" exhaust piping with magnaflow cat, resonator, and apexi N1, same under the axle route

[xs94st]

noice noice noice

[trdcelica94]

nice. nice setup . do you have oil catch tank,oil feel line,fuel pressure regulator? didnt see that on your list. should get a boost controller.

[forkee]

wow that looks really good!

[devilsden97]

no offense, way to cop out for the (now) unoriginal 5sfte.

i was really hoping to see the beams swap happen.


no hard feelings, looks good. Best of luck.

[Valo666]

wow..jeff, it looks good man. Im with Mig though, im kinda disapointed you didnt go with a BEAMS, but an auto 5s is pretty cool too. Your install looks nice and clean. I cant wait for the finished product and im already demanding you post some videos up when its fully running.

[LewFX]

well i found a red top block but now someone finally is selling a ecu for it.. o well, i got a good deal on this and decided to build it

[MaskedMan]

Goodjob Jeff! Your totally giving me a ride in it when it's all finished up I want to fix your wiring...

[urbandork]

woot woot car was fired up

[lagos]

5sfte > redtop

[eggman40]

Niice... dam i wish i coulda helped more, but midterms, work and my own car had me pinned down this week

[MaskedMan]

w00t w00t! I'm home now. I can now sleep in peace

[LewFX]

shes alive!!!! lil test drive with derrick and weeeee, went easy on her. finally got her to stop leaking coolant because of a few clamps werent on enough

[cv7713]

congrats man! how long did the install take?

[Batman722]

5sfte > redtop

agreed.

nice job Jeff, looking good now go blow that auto tranny to bits

[boosted95]

so what kinda power are you making with your boost setting? and does that auto tranny feel as shakey as everyone on the 6gc site said it would be?

[playr158]

take a cold side pressure pipe and your intake pipe and go have fittings welded on....get that diverter valve fitted!

[twitchh17]

dont forget that vtec

[devilsden97]

5sfte > redtop

For power, yes.

For originality and the presence of mind that your one of the few to be running a motor thats rarer then a blue moon.

Originality > Power. Always has been, always will be.

[playr158]

vin diesle "by an inch or a mile winning is winning"

Miggy "NUH UH, my motor is more original I WIN!"



function > form
sooner you learn that the sooner you become a real tuner

This post has been edited by playr158: Nov 9, 2007 - 12:26 PM

[devilsden97]

your on a FWD platform. u see what Presure2 and Defgeph put down (235 to 250whp) and they run into traction issues. (which have yet to be resolved) The only answer anyone has been able to find for it, is to throw money at it, till u get it right. (fat rubber, bigger and better and ultimatly more expensive suspension components) And unless your racing....regularly....the originality factor is better then the added 30 to 50hp.

again, its my opinion, and last I check, on these boards, I am entitled to it.

sooner you learn that the sooner you become a real tuner

^And as far as this comment goes, come talk to me when your car IS a car, and not 10k pieces strune about your garage.

[playr158]

aww miggy you make me laugh..

[Chanh55]

shes alive!!!! lil test drive with derrick and weeeee, went easy on her. finally got her to stop leaking coolant because of a few clamps werent on enough

Wow man... when you gonna stop by so that I can detail that baby...

[LewFX]

update:
exhaust is on, car runs like a dream...still trying to figure out the divertor issue.

[lagos]

your on a FWD platform. u see what Presure2 and Defgeph put down (235 to 250whp) and they run into traction issues. (which have yet to be resolved) The only answer anyone has been able to find for it, is to throw money at it, till u get it right. (fat rubber, bigger and better and ultimatly more expensive suspension components) And unless your racing....regularly....the originality factor is better then the added 30 to 50hp.

again, its my opinion, and last I check, on these boards, I am entitled to it.

sooner you learn that the sooner you become a real tuner

^And as far as this comment goes, come talk to me when your car IS a car, and not 10k pieces strune about your garage.

mig... ask any one of us with a turbo celica. we would take lack of traction over an NA beams motor any day. its the type of thing that is only a problem when you go to the track and are trying to run a 1/2 second faster then your last time. in the real world, on the street, its not a problem at all. the traction issues at the track can also be solved by simply lowering boost in lower gears, and a bit of driver skill.

i look at the beams like i look at the silvertop swap. on the internet, you will have a cool car, but in the real world, you'll get owned by just about anything on the road with those motors under your hood.

the 5sfTe and 3sgte might be very common on these forums, but in the land of subaru, mitsu, and hondas that roam the streets, a turbo celica is a very rare and cool thing.

[cv7713]

the 5sfTe and 3sgte might be very common on these forums, but in the land of subaru, mitsu, and hondas that roam the streets, a turbo celica is a very rare and cool thing.

x2

[Kadett]

mig... ask any one of us with a turbo celica. we would take lack of traction over an NA beams motor any day.

You really want an answer for this


Traction issues are only a problem in the wet and if you launch hard, otherwise there aren't any traction issues here. If you are pushing well over 300BHP you probably also have the money to afford this

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/

Not very good for you US guys cuz of the dollar exchange rate (Expect to pay over 3k ATM), but it is fitted on Aston Martins so I think it works

[MaskedMan]

mig... ask any one of us with a turbo celica. we would take lack of traction over an NA beams motor any day.

You really want an answer for this


Traction issues are only a problem in the wet and if you launch hard, otherwise there aren't any traction issues here. If you are pushing well over 300BHP you probably also have the money to afford this

http://www.racelogic.co.uk/

Not very good for you US guys cuz of the dollar exchange rate (Expect to pay over 3k ATM), but it is fitted on Aston Martins so I think it works

In my opinion, those traction control systems do what they are supposed to do and work VERY well. I have tried to lose traction in a vehicle equipped with a similiar system, and It reacts very quickly and I was quite impressed.

However, I believe that it takes the fun out of driving and no longer becomes a competition of driver skill. I have a belief, and I think it's great to get into a car without many computer controlled traction or handling assist because it shows that it's not just the car that wins races, it's the driver. On a track, it seems like having your car completely control your power and traction seems boring. You might as well just be a passenger in the vehicle or a spectator.

5sfte, 3sgte, 4age, 4agze, 3sge, 7afte, 7agte, 7afe, 5sfe, 3sfe, 3zvfe, 3mzfe, 1mzfe, or w/e direction you choose to take is fine. Sometimes we look at the forum and don't see us indivisuals anymore. But what we need to remember is that all of us have our own opinions and choices. Although there have been many 5sfte projects done recently, we need to appreciate the effort all those are putting into the swap itself. We can all try to become original, but originallity does not always overcome function, as we can see with some of the exterior mods a few of us do not favor. If it works, then people will do it. I can understand the importance of not following the crowd, or not wanting to be like everyone else. But we all gotta try things out and see where they take us before we can move onto something new.

And again. Congrats Jeff on the swap. Your car is loud without exhuast. I am glad you got exhaust put on today .

[playr158]

woot for exhaust.

just take the two pipes off and takem down to the local shop to have 1" bungs weld on. go to local autoparts store and find a hose that will fit and us it

[Chanh55]

I demand vids.

[LewFX]

This post has been edited by LewFX: Nov 9, 2007 - 4:22 PM

[Chanh55]

Poor Craig is tired... hahah

[devilsden97]

To keep this thread on topic, and not have it spiral out of hand at the expense of Lew, I'm gonna quote something i said b4, and add 1 final thought on this matter.

again, its my opinion, and last I check, on these boards, I am entitled to it.

Which also means, everyone else on this board is entitled to there own opinions as well.


IF anyone else has a problem with what I said, either suck it up, or take it up with me via PM.

[Chanh55]

To keep this thread on topic, and not have it spiral out of hand at the expense of Lew, I'm gonna quote something i said b4, and add 1 final thought on this matter.

again, its my opinion, and last I check, on these boards, I am entitled to it.

Which also means, everyone else on this board is entitled to there own opinions as well.


IF anyone else has a problem with what I said, either suck it up, or take it up with me via PM.

Jeez man let it die. Should've taken it to PMs in the first place.

[bccentaur3]

When are you going to post some vids DOOD.

[twitchh17]

yo wheres the vtec

[snapshotgt]

Lew, looks awesome. Great job on the project.

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: Nov 10, 2007 - 12:25 AM

[hellsyphon]

hmmm that muffler shop looks vaguely familiar...

[LewFX]

okay im running hella rich, how can i tune this with the neo to make it leaner?

[1bwilson]

okay im running hella rich, how can i tune this with the neo to make it leaner?

Turn up the boost

[lagos]

okay im running hella rich, how can i tune this with the neo to make it leaner?

take out some fuel from the high throttle map on the safc, in the rpm range that you are rich. just remember to take out as little as possible to get the job done.

you might also have to do the low throttle map for the car to idle. aim for a 14afr idle/cruise... 11ish under boost.

This post has been edited by lagos: Nov 10, 2007 - 8:27 PM

[LewFX]

ahh shes nice and quick

[LewFX]

going to get tuned and dynoed for $100 next saturday, i currently boost about 5psi, my stupid pipes from the J keep popping off, i put a better 4 ply hose on it and better t clamps on, well report about that later

[trdcelica94]

you can probably boost at 10 psi for every day driving. to be on the safe side

[j0e_p3t]

everything looks sweet jeff. sorry i couldn't be there to get my hands dirty with you guys. can't wait to see how it does on the dyno. and when you get tired of auto, i have an extra shifter surround and boot i can donate to you.

[urbandork]

omg lol i cant believe that picture was taken haha

[Jen]

[xs94st]

haha i like the bandaid on the door

damn lew, i didnt know u had an auto wit dat 5sfte..for now..

show some vids! u musta got some around your comp n if not, record somethin!

[LewFX]

okay okay, 2 videos
http://www.lewfx.com/celica/project/MOV01864.MPG
http://www.lewfx.com/celica/project/MOV01865.MPG

[playr158]

sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet


diverter valve update?

[LewFX]

well i got the hoses for the diverter, the shop im going to saturday can weld the 2 bungs for the pipes too..

on 3rpm the wideband seems to be right on around 14

[bccentaur3]

Nice work. When are you going to post some action vids? So did yu get everything tuned?

[LewFX]

this saturday i going to get it fully tuned and dynoed