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post Jul 7, 2008 - 6:00 PM
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Well, it's been 4 and a half years since I rebuilt the engine and ever since, it has taken the abuse I've given it like a champ. High EGTs and 87 octane fuel was the order of the day. It took it like a man. Compression was perfect across the board, and everything else was good to go. Well, you know how they say that you shouldn't have sexy time in your car because it jinxes it? Well, I think that actually is true, because before breaking a piston the first time, my car was the place of some love encounters with my girlfriend, LOL. It can't be coincidence that it broke again after I disrespected it with my current girlfriend. laugh.gif Blown tires and some other things happened before, too.

Anyway, the last straw that broke the camel's back was a 15 PSI test run after tuning it with the eManage. We were gonna take it to the dyno to tune it at that boost level, so we needed to test if the engine would hold or if it would blow like a grenade. Too bad I forgot I had moose piss 91 octane watered fuel from a gas station I never go to, but I had to this time because I was running low. I thought I had Shell 93 and well, nothing made a sound. I nailed it from a dead stop, it just roasted tires with the 17s, put our heads against the headrest, and then coolant was all over the windshield when I let go the gas. Good times. The auto tranny is holding well. No signs of slippage or anything. I ordered a Cometic headgasket and should be here this week. This engine can sure take some punishment. biggrin.gif I need to up the boost to see if a rod gives up before a piston. I need an excuse to install the Belfab rods and some other pistons I found. wink.gif






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post Jul 7, 2008 - 6:15 PM
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Well you're taking it like a champ - that's right - it's just an excuse to upgrade biggrin.gif
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post Jul 7, 2008 - 7:04 PM
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haha as i said 7AFTE POWA


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post Jul 7, 2008 - 8:18 PM
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Is that an OEM 7A headgasket? Because that would answer my question as to whether or not the 7A always had a metal one or if it's a 96+ thing, both engines I had are 97's so not much of a comparison. At first I thought it was a 4A headgasket because I saw the rubber gasket for that big return opening in the front but then noticed that all the holes pretty much line up with all the jaskets.


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post Jul 7, 2008 - 8:26 PM
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I think that's aftermarket.
Did you rebuild the motor with an aftermarket gasket kit ? that would help contribute to the problem...


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post Jul 7, 2008 - 9:02 PM
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woah! took long enough man. congrats wink.gif


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post Jul 7, 2008 - 9:47 PM
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QUOTE (hurley97 @ Jul 7, 2008 - 7:18 PM) *
Is that an OEM 7A headgasket? Because that would answer my question as to whether or not the 7A always had a metal one or if it's a 96+ thing, both engines I had are 97's so not much of a comparison. At first I thought it was a 4A headgasket because I saw the rubber gasket for that big return opening in the front but then noticed that all the holes pretty much line up with all the jaskets.


I'm not 100% sure if it's Toyota OEM, but I did buy it at a Toyota parts store around here called Toyo House. It's a crappy thing. A sorry excuse of a gasket. It has metal, but it's very thin. Maybe it's a replacement? It says Made In Japan, so I'm not sure. What I'm sure is that the pistons, bearings and rings are made in Israel. I think they're King or something. I ordered a 4A-GE Cometic gasket. The fast guys around here rave about them. It's the only brand I've heard people recommend.

QUOTE (Batman722 @ Jul 7, 2008 - 7:26 PM) *
I think that's aftermarket.
Did you rebuild the motor with an aftermarket gasket kit ? that would help contribute to the problem...

As far as I know, yes. Now that you say it, I don't think I used any Toyota OEM part except for a seal. They weren't in stock, and I was in a hurry because I had to fly back to Virginia in a few days, so I got what they gave me.

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post Jul 7, 2008 - 9:53 PM
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QUOTE (x_itchy_b_x @ Jul 7, 2008 - 8:02 PM) *
woah! took long enough man. congrats wink.gif

Yeah, man. Thanks. Haha. tongue.gif Tomorrow to the machine shop to get the head inspected for cracks, get it resurfaced and maybe do a little something to it to improve flow. Not sure. I'd like to stay as close to stock as possible to see what this motor can do.


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post Jul 8, 2008 - 6:06 AM
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QUOTE (OOBE @ Jul 7, 2008 - 10:47 PM) *
QUOTE (hurley97 @ Jul 7, 2008 - 7:18 PM) *
Is that an OEM 7A headgasket? Because that would answer my question as to whether or not the 7A always had a metal one or if it's a 96+ thing, both engines I had are 97's so not much of a comparison. At first I thought it was a 4A headgasket because I saw the rubber gasket for that big return opening in the front but then noticed that all the holes pretty much line up with all the jaskets.


I'm not 100% sure if it's Toyota OEM, but I did buy it at a Toyota parts store around here called Toyo House. It's a crappy thing. A sorry excuse of a gasket. It has metal, but it's very thin. Maybe it's a replacement? It says Made In Japan, so I'm not sure. What I'm sure is that the pistons, bearings and rings are made in Israel. I think they're King or something. I ordered a 4A-GE Cometic gasket. The fast guys around here rave about them. It's the only brand I've heard people recommend.


What is there to rave about with a headgasket? It's either leaking or it's not, right?

Anyway, the holes in the 4A headgasket don't line up 100%. I had them order me a 4AGZE headgasket at work so I could compare it to mine then send it back. I would say it matches up about 90%. You can see how the 7A gasket still covers up some of the coolant jackets, but the 4A covers up way more of it. The oil passages are pretty much ok, there's a couple that are off if I remember correctly.


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post Jul 8, 2008 - 6:14 AM
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very nice work brother!

20psi next time biggrin.gif
post Jul 8, 2008 - 4:11 PM
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Yeah no sexy time in the car. laugh.gif Truths
post Jul 9, 2008 - 5:50 AM
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So you're saying that the gasket will not work, Steph? kindasad.gif It shipped on the 7th. I swear I'll boost 20 PSI with it if it covers the coolant passages too much. owned.gif Blow that son of a gun for good.

Off-topic, not sure if it's a placebo effect, but I borrowed my sister's car to go see my girlfriend and I...you know...fell into carnal temptation. tongue.gif: Now the car's tranny is slipping. laugh.gif


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oobe i know you still aren't in high school, stop bangin in the car!!!!!
post Jul 9, 2008 - 11:44 AM
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You have to understand that I didn't get to do any of that in high school. I was poor. I didn't have a car. I didn't have a girlfriend. Like Eddie Murphy said in Delirious, "These are my f@ck years...I f@ck now." laugh.gif Anyway, I just came back from the machine shop. As soon as the dude saw the head, he said, "You shouldn't use a 4A-GE gasket on it. The holes are different and it COULD cause overheating. It's not a 100% sure but there's a possibility." How he knew it was a 7A-FE head, I don't know. He wasn't an old man, so it's not that, LOL. He asked me what I needed done and I told him he was the one that knew, and he said he was just going to resurface it so it's straight again. He then looked at where the exhaust manifold mounts to, then looked at me all serious and said, " I need the turbo manifold too because it is warped. Bring it when you come back". So I'm gonna wait a few hours to go pick it up.

EDIT: GTFO of here. I just looked at the turbo manifold, put a ruler underneath it and it is indeed warped. This guy is good. laugh.gif

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HAHAHA did you check for his little spy in the backroom that followed you there??


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post Jul 12, 2008 - 2:51 PM
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QUOTE (OOBE @ Jul 9, 2008 - 6:50 AM) *
So you're saying that the gasket will not work, Steph? kindasad.gif It shipped on the 7th. I swear I'll boost 20 PSI with it if it covers the coolant passages too much. owned.gif Blow that son of a gun for good.

Off-topic, not sure if it's a placebo effect, but I borrowed my sister's car to go see my girlfriend and I...you know...fell into carnal temptation. tongue.gif: Now the car's tranny is slipping. laugh.gif

Oh it'll fit and probably work just fine...for a while...under normal 7A conditions. The right 7A head gasket covers some of the coolant jackets too but the 4A covers way more of it. The slight possibility that it could restrict the flow of coolant is the reason I didn't use it.


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post Jul 12, 2008 - 6:01 PM
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Hmmm. I'm not going to risk it. The guy explained me how the headgasket works and the reason why they cover the jackets some. I'll just use an OEM one. Besides, it broke not because of the boost, but because of the detonation, because I boosted 15 PSI before with 93 octane fuel and it was fine.

I noticed this headgasket was very rusty also. I found out it wasn't a Toyota OEM one. I'm gonna buy a spare head and order a custom headgasket from Cometic. If this OEM one fails, I'll have the head ready to go with the good headgasket.


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HAHaha bad bachi strikes again!!! i've always told my friends never to. biggrin.gif damn man 15psi and wanting 20.....shoot i wish i can do that with the 5s.......or drop a 3s inside.

should've taken a vid or something laugh.gif


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post Jul 14, 2008 - 4:25 AM
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Well, I had two buddies of mine in the car, but we weren't planning on breaking it because I didn't even know I had that crappy gas in the tank. If not, it would've held fine. It pulled so good, LOL. What surprised me is that the tranny didn't slip. I wonder how long it's gonna last. First to second gear is really abrupt. It's got some good wheelspin, but third and fourth will only chirp if anything and the change is smooth.


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So any idea what you were putting down at the wheels?


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I have no clue. Maybe 180-190 WHP. It felt pretty fast, though. It climbed to 80 very quick, and that was with two other people.

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QUOTE (OOBE @ Jul 16, 2008 - 4:07 AM) *
I have no clue. Maybe 180-190 WHP. It felt pretty fast, though. It climbed to 80 very quick, and that was with two other people.


hmmm.


I am looking for 225 to 240 at the wheels. But I am unsure if I want to just put the money in to the 7a or put more into a 3s. I have also considered a 7agte. Trying to do a budget road course car, so I would rather not dump $5000 into just my motor setup.

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I'm surprised that the 7A can put down that much power. Like thats double the stock HP, its kind of scary. How much did that set up cost you?


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I lost track long time ago. Between the price of brand new parts (I never bought cheap brand stuff or used parts) and redoing some things over and over, I could've done two 3S-GTE swaps plus mods for both. Whatever. You only live once. It's disposable income. Yeah, it's more than double the stock wheel horsepower, which is more than fine and dandy by me. The car feels great.


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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Jul 16, 2008 - 8:05 PM) *
QUOTE (OOBE @ Jul 16, 2008 - 4:07 AM) *
I have no clue. Maybe 180-190 WHP. It felt pretty fast, though. It climbed to 80 very quick, and that was with two other people.


hmmm.


I am looking for 225 to 240 at the wheels. But I am unsure if I want to just put the money in to the 7a or put more into a 3s. I have also considered a 7agte. Trying to do a budget road course car, so I would rather not dump $5000 into just my motor setup.

ehhhh...nik did a 7agte and hit like 330 i think..biggrin.gif


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330 WHP is overkill on our cars. All you get is wheelspin and passengers screaming for you to stop. I rode on my buddy's 5th gen Celica (which is heavier than ours) and he was pushing about that same horsepower on a 3S-GTE and it felt twice as fast as my Supra when I was pushing 470 RWHP on it, and even when on high boost I was pushing 530 RWHP, it didn't feel as crazy as in the Celica. Power to weight ratio is a beautiful thing.

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Well, I finally got around putting the head in. I ended up returning the Cometic 4A-GE headgasket and getting an OEM dual layer metal one. Car started up fine, but I noticed compression went back to 210, from 185 that was with the thicker, crappier headgasket it had before. No biggie. I'll try to see if I can get this thing dynoed this week (please Lord, let me finally do this) and have some numbers for you guys. Another goodie is that my registration expires this month, which means it'll be an excuse to drop it off at the bodyshop the 31st to get it fixed and painted. biggrin.gif


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sweeet!!!!!


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QUOTE (OOBE @ Aug 4, 2008 - 1:21 AM) *
Well, I finally got around putting the head in. I ended up returning the Cometic 4A-GE headgasket and getting an OEM dual layer metal one. Car started up fine, but I noticed compression went back to 210, from 185 that was with the thicker, crappier headgasket it had before. No biggie. I'll try to see if I can get this thing dynoed this week (please Lord, let me finally do this) and have some numbers for you guys. Another goodie is that my registration expires this month, which means it'll be an excuse to drop it off at the bodyshop the 31st to get it fixed and painted. biggrin.gif


Hi OOBE,
so does your Cometic 4A-GE headgasket fit in 7AFE?
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I ended up returning the Cometic headgasket. It needed modification and I didn't want to gamble. I'm planning on breaking this engine (so I can install forged internals) but I want to do it in a safe way so that I know the limits of the rods or pistons or whatever breaks because of the power, so we can end this taboo once and for all. I don't want to break it while doing something unreliable, because then I will not know how much the internals could've handled. I ended up installing a new stock 2 layer metal gasket instead. Since I leaned out at 15 PSI with the 560cc injectors at the dyno, so I'm sure the fuel pump is the culprit. I bought a new one and I'm getting a bigger turbo today or tomorrow and crank it to 15 PSI again to see if I can break the 220 WHP barrier. laugh.gif


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good luck on 15psi , i got to 17psi once on 94 pump gas, and i had a coupler pop. i never blew a rod or a head gasket . but i never pushed it that hard again, at 17psi when a coupler pops it scrars the crap out of you . i realy did think i blew the motor. i did not ,and ran 12psi for the rest of my cars 7afte life ....... i never had any tranny issue what so ever either.


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OOBE,
may the force be with u. smile.gif
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QUOTE (trd94 @ Jan 13, 2009 - 6:35 PM) *
good luck on 15psi , i got to 17psi once on 94 pump gas, and i had a coupler pop. i never blew a rod or a head gasket . but i never pushed it that hard again, at 17psi when a coupler pops it scrars the crap out of you . i realy did think i blew the motor. i did not ,and ran 12psi for the rest of my cars 7afte life ....... i never had any tranny issue what so ever either.



I overboosted to 18 PSI a few times and nothing happened. This engine is stronger than people thought years ago.

Yeah, when a coupler pops, it makes such a scandal. laugh.gif It happened to my Supra once...but contrary to the Celica which has a MAP sensor and keeps going, it hit an imaginary brickwall that almost made me eat the windshield. Scary stuff.

I got my new turbo today. It was pulled off my buddy's Celica. It's also a T3/T4 but it's bigger, so this will be more of an experiment. It'll probably be laggy but kick hard once it spools. That combined with my auto tranny will be an interesting thing to experience.

Thanks, normality78. biggrin.gif Tomorrow I'll install the turbo. I'm lucky that the ehxuast manifold is also 4 bolt, so I don't have to take a trip to the muffler shop to swap downpipe flanges. What worries me is that this log style manifold puts the compressor close to the the alternator bracket. That's with my smaller TO4B and it only has like two inches of clearance, and my turbine housing is the long type so it makes it clear more. I'm thinking that this bigger turbo will not fit because of the bigger diameter compressor plus the exhaust manifold being the shorty type. I'll probably have to get another manifold. We'll see.


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I sold my entire 7afte setup months ago thinking to sell of my car but now since i've decided to keep it, im going to do another rebuilt, a better setup.

Im going slightly bigger then thn Nissan S15 stock T28 turbo. Previous i was on WRX td04L-13T turbo. Im a fan of responsive hence not going any bigger since my target is 200whp.

I may looking into ceramic coating my 7afe rod and piston also may looking into stacking up another piece of head gasket. Just to be sure although i do know on stock it should not have any problem (my ex setup fetch me 168whp with leak manifold)

by the way, perhaps you can find this usefull
http://www.zerotohundred.com/newforums/eng...o-manifold.html

http://www.4agclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25
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I have to fix a manifold leak. The 219 WHP was with the leak and leaning out. I'm sure that's why the boost took forever to build. Stacking up headgaskets? Doesn't sound like a good idea, man. I checked out those threads. I wouldn't trust my money to someone who barely speaks English and doesn't post a price.


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Ho! howz this killer guy wink.gif glad to see you back and posting man thumbsup.gif i'll pray that you'll make it to the dyno laugh.gif good lucks man


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yeah, i dont really like the idea as well but then i've emailed Comestic for custom made a piece but they have not get back to me
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QUOTE (808celica @ Jan 14, 2009 - 1:55 PM) *
Ho! howz this killer guy wink.gif glad to see you back and posting man thumbsup.gif i'll pray that you'll make it to the dyno laugh.gif good lucks man

Heck yeah, bro. How are you doing? biggrin.gif Yes, I need a lot of prayers, because I have a feeling I'm breaking the engine this next dyno session. laugh.gif


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Is that an OEM 7A headgasket? Because that would answer my question as to whether or not the 7A always had a metal one or if it's a 96+ thing, both engines I had are 97's so not much of a comparison. At first I thought it was a 4A headgasket because I saw the rubber gasket for that big return opening in the front but then noticed that all the holes pretty much line up with all the jaskets.


my 95 corolla with the 7afe came with a metal hg.
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After a lot of pain (guy that recently re-made the downpipe bent the pipe over the bottom bolt rolleyes.gif), I took the old turbo off today and I prayed that this one would fit. I was relieved when it fit no problem. It cleared the manifold and alternator. I just had to clock it and that was it. I get my turbo flange gasket and wastegate gaskets on Thursday. I still need to install the new fuel pump, pick up some bigger injectors (going with 630cc ones), install a manifold stud on the head and do a LOT of cleaning. Rats decided to throw a party again while my car was parked for over two months. kindasad.gif What a mess. I'm so overwhelmed at the list of things I need to replace...and pretty much everything in the engine bay needs cleaning and painting. Oh well. This is part of the game. Man, the turbo certainly looks big on this engine. I wonder how many weeks it's going to take to spool it. laugh.gif We'll find out in a week or so.





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great way to go... hope to see more pics
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Well, I started working on the car yesterday at 11PM and finished at 3PM just cleaning things up and what not. I was up for 27 hours. Only ate McDonald's for breakfast. I slap on the new turbo and now the car is smoking like crazy...just like with the old, broken turbo. The turbo is laggy but not as much as I expected. It's quiet, though. The car vomited a lot of oil out of the PCV one time, and that was it. I checked and the engine is not broken, so it must be the turbo needing a rebuild. If it's not the turbo, I'm sorry to say it but I'm done with the 7A-FTE. I proved that it would hold over 200 WHP and the auto tranny would hold. I did never test the limits of the engine, but whatever. I'm focused on making real power now. My buddy hooked me up with...um...a swap. rolleyes.gif Yeah, I said I would never swap, but the pressure is ridiculous. Everybody around here is fast now. If you run 11s, you're slow. I have my ZX-10R for the speed cravings, but I miss good power in a car. The 7A-FE proved to be reliable when turbocharged. I'm ready to move on to something bigger. I'll probably take it to the dyno again but I'm done with this engine. I'm ready for something better and that spending money on it is worth it. This is an economy engine. What I can get out of a 3S-GTE with a big turbo and stock internals, I have to swap forged internals, get a beefy tranny with the 7A-FTE, AND still be stuck at that power limit while the 3S-GTE is just starting to make power.


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Hey OOBE, what size is your drain on the turbo.


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I don't remember the hose size, man. But it's the standard size pretty much everyone uses. smile.gif This is funny. I ordered an oil inlet flange on eBay last week because mine is old looking and ugly. It came today. I open the package and see that the flange has a restricting hole in the inlet hose fitting thread. I was getting ready to pull the engine out so I could work on the engine mounts for the 3S, but decided to remove the old flange from the turbo and install the new one just to have it ready. I had to move the car to have more space to work so I started it. Ta-da! No more smoking. laugh.gif I was skeptical so I did a lap around the block and nailed it hard. Boosted 18 PSI with an empty fuel tank. Engine sputtered from lack of fuel. Nothing. tongue.gif I totally forgot that these engines have high oil pressure. My old turbo took the punishment for six years, so I didn't think nothing about it when I installed this one. So I guess this means I will make a trip to the dyno next week and really push the engine to break it. biggrin.gif


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Good to hear that, make sure u break it right this time.lol


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1983 Toyota Corolla 1/4 Mile ET 7.42 @ 187 10.5 Tire Street Legal: 3SGTE
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Update on this thread: I started playing with the car again after more than six months of having it downstairs doing nothing. Decided to test the compression last week and the #2 cylinder had like 135 PSI while the rest had 220. I pulled the pistons out and the #2 piston had a very small crack on the side, like an 1/8th of an inch long. The rest were fine. I installed new replacement pistons and rings, and King rod bearings. I still have to install new timing belt, water pump and oil pump since the rebuild kit brought them. Might as well, right?

My tuner broke the knock sensor accidentally while holding the flywheel (had to remove the starter to be able to access it) with a screwdriver so I could remove the aluminum underdrive pulley bolt. I'm waiting on one I got used on eBay. I was going to fool around and install two metal head gaskets for fun to see what I could get away with but I decided against it. My plan for this week is:

1) Paint valve cover, intake manifold, fuel rail and turbo compressor.
2) Re-do downpipe, intercooler piping (to fit GT-4 bumper) and exhaust piping (has restrictions I never noticed).
3) Install Honda Civic SI aluminum radiator
4) Install head.

Then, to the dyno to see what I get at 15 PSI. I finally have no more fueling issues. The leaning problem ended up being a tired Walbro fuel pump. I installed a new one and the car was pig rich at 12 PSI.

I found a 4A-GE tranny a guy is letting go for a good price. I'm thinking about it, because after dynoing the car, I can swap the manual tranny and see how much more power it puts down. Part of me wants to stay automatuc and just swap in a torque converter and do a few tricks to the tranny. We'll see. I change my mind everyday. Wish me luck, guys. biggrin.gif


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speaking of dodgy fuel pump....I might have a problem. I am using a Walbro 255lph pump with Supra green 315cc injectors and stock FPR. I can literally hear the pump and on occassion it dips and starts again.


is this normal?
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Walbros are noisy and if you hook them up to the stock wiring without a relay, they will go up and down depending on the electrical load of your car. I wired a relay to mine and now it gets constant voltage no matter what.
Why are you using your stock FPR with a Walbro? How is it working for you? I would take a picture of how I wired my relay but the Celica is not here as of this afternoon. frown.gif




First time I leave my car in the hands of someone else. I met the guy this week at my buddy's speed shop . He tuned his Mazda MX-3 (almost 600 WHP) and the graph was awesome. Wow, such a fat power curve, impeccable AFR...everything nice and tight. Guy seemed down to earth and honest...and most important, knowledgeable, so I had a talk with him about my little goals with the Celica and what not and he understood.

We went to his house today and I saw he has a very clean 2G MR-2 Turbo. Ran 11.4 @ 138 MPH on street tires with 18" rims. tongue.gif He's adding an LSD and some other goodies to the car and then testing it with slicks. I LOVED the work he did to the deuce. Since my car was rotting away in the garage due to lack of time to work on it and the abundance of humidity and rats, I told him I would like him to put my engine together and re-do some things before I take it to the paint shop. smile.gif

EDIT: I know the love for the 7A-FE here is pretty much non-existent so to those few ones with that heart of gold, I PROMISE you guys you're going to like what you'll see. biggrin.gif I'm pretty excited about it.

This post has been edited by OOBE: Sep 26, 2009 - 1:22 AM


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I've been begging you for more pics of your car assembled laugh.gif afterall youre the man that started everything wink.gif DUDE!!!!!!!!! YOUR CAR IS SIIIIIICK!!!!!


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Thanks, bro. But my car is far from sick. Wait until I get done with it. It's gonna be something fresh and clean. wink.gif By the way, it has two different set of rims because there are two blown tires in each set and I'm not buying new ones until I install my new polyurethane bushing set...straight from Poland, baby. biggrin.gif Wait until I finish the car, and it'll deserve to be called sick. Right now it's downright ugly, LOL. thumbsdown.gif A 15 year old car with 47,000 original miles in such poor condition is a rare sight. laugh.gif


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are you running 15psi on the stock auto tranny?


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Yeah. Damn thing doesn't know when to quit. laugh.gif


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QUOTE (OOBE @ Sep 26, 2009 - 7:21 AM) *
Walbros are noisy and if you hook them up to the stock wiring without a relay, they will go up and down depending on the electrical load of your car. I wired a relay to mine and now it gets constant voltage no matter what.
Why are you using your stock FPR with a Walbro? How is it working for you? I would take a picture of how I wired my relay but the Celica is not here as of this afternoon. frown.gif




First time I leave my car in the hands of someone else. I met the guy this week at my buddy's speed shop . He tuned his Mazda MX-3 (almost 600 WHP) and the graph was awesome. Wow, such a fat power curve, impeccable AFR...everything nice and tight. Guy seemed down to earth and honest...and most important, knowledgeable, so I had a talk with him about my little goals with the Celica and what not and he understood.

We went to his house today and I saw he has a very clean 2G MR-2 Turbo. Ran 11.4 @ 138 MPH on street tires with 18" rims. tongue.gif He's adding an LSD and some other goodies to the car and then testing it with slicks. I LOVED the work he did to the deuce. Since my car was rotting away in the garage due to lack of time to work on it and the abundance of humidity and rats, I told him I would like him to put my engine together and re-do some things before I take it to the paint shop. smile.gif

EDIT: I know the love for the 7A-FE here is pretty much non-existent so to those few ones with that heart of gold, I PROMISE you guys you're going to like what you'll see. biggrin.gif I'm pretty excited about it.



Hi there.

Can you please email me detailed instructions how you relayed / wired your Walbro. Mine makes all sorts of noises and it is consistent with revs / load. My stock FPR is fine because I am using bigger injectors i guess. I have an adjustable one but I took oit off to eliminate the hesitation. Now I think it is an electrical problem I will put it back. biggrin.gif
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I will go tomorrow to where my car is and I'll take a picture of the wiring. smile.gif Yeah, the pump will go crazy. When you run the engine for a long time, it'll get noisier and more annoying. I forgot to mention that the pump I got is a modified Walbro 255 LPH from TREPerformance.com. It's quiet like the stock one. But anyway, the relay will make your pump run smooth and constant. I'll post the pic tomorrow. smile.gif


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My Walbro isn't that loud. You can hear it if you are outside the car near the left rear wheel, from inside the noise is almost non-existent. It's been just plugged into the stock wiring and I haven't had a problem with it... that I know of.


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QUOTE (OOBE @ Sep 26, 2009 - 11:44 PM) *
I will go tomorrow to where my car is and I'll take a picture of the wiring. smile.gif Yeah, the pump will go crazy. When you run the engine for a long time, it'll get noisier and more annoying. I forgot to mention that the pump I got is a modified Walbro 255 LPH from TREPerformance.com. It's quiet like the stock one. But anyway, the relay will make your pump run smooth and constant. I'll post the pic tomorrow. smile.gif


Thanks OOBE.


QUOTE (hurley97 @ Sep 27, 2009 - 12:19 AM) *
My Walbro isn't that loud. You can hear it if you are outside the car near the left rear wheel, from inside the noise is almost non-existent. It's been just plugged into the stock wiring and I haven't had a problem with it... that I know of.


Stef, you are lucky. I do long mileage with my car so thats probably why. I think my alternator is also on the blink.
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My Walbro was ear piercing loud. Sounded like a little hydraulic pump. laugh.gif So good to finally have peace and quiet inside. By the way, those things are plastic inside. I was surprised it lasted me six years. They usually are gone by half time.


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This thread...this thread.

47,000 miles is NOTHING. Wow...and I thought I was low-mileage with 78. kindasad.gif


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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Oct 9, 2009 - 7:30 PM) *
This thread...this thread.

47,000 miles is NOTHING. Wow...and I thought I was low-mileage with 78. kindasad.gif

laugh.gif whats more to me?? i live on a big circle and im still racking up miles. This car is pure BALLA!!!!!!!


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Yeah yeah, we know your car's ballin' by now. biggrin.gif

And speaking of ballin'...I think you should say screw the 3S-GTE and go 4A-GZE...your car would be SOOOOOO unique dude.

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not mines his!! my car is weak sauce


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