which swap??? Options

[celica09]

ok i got a stock 94 celica with a 7afe engine its weak really weak and old runnin about 236000 miles so i wanna do a swap but i dont know which one would be best i have researched alot and thought about the diffrant options but out of 3sgte and the 4agze or 7age with little money and not too much experiance wat would be the best and cheapest/ easiest swap for me

[bccentaur3]

cheapest and easiest, swap in another 7afe. No need to worry about the wire harness and its cheap.

[Dr_Tweak]

By far the best bang for your buck for an ST: 4AGE Blacktop.

-Doc

[celica09]

i would go with another 7afe but i thought about if i turboed it and the rods are very weak and thin but i have done alot of thinking about the 4age but the blacktop is a 20valve right? why a 20 valve over a 16 valve?? would it require more work??

[Dr_Tweak]

It's not any more work than a 16v to swap it, it just makes more power

-Doc

[celica09]

hmm sounds good to me so how much mods. am i lookin forwards too for this swap??

[CelicaST_CALI]

depends...look on ebay..

[celica09]

ok thanks for the help

[slow94st]

put a twin charged 4agze in it

[celica09]

that would be sweet but dont you have to fabricate the 2nd supercharger or do they make twin charged 4agzes???

[Add45]

i am in the exact same boat as this guy except i know nothing about engine swaps lol

[celica9110]

how hard is it to do a 4A swap in our cars?
engine mounts? do i need to modify them?
and will my 7A tranny mount to it?

[celica09]

well i have researched and ive seen that all "a" trannys will mate right with all "A" motors but the motor mounts im not too sure ive probly read it but dont remember.. but i need to know wat the easiest way to program the ecu should i get the 4age ecu mated with my wiring harness or should i get a megasquirt?? or get my stock ecu reprogrammed??

[Add45]

im pretty sure 'A' engines mount no problem

[celica09]

yeah well that works out i think im going to go with the 4age blacktop and turbo it but the thing is i herd hat the 4agze motors came with a 6 speed tranny and i have an automatic how hard would it be to drop a 6 speed maual into my car??

[celica9110]

im thinking about swapping the tranny from auto to manual, so maybe once i get the money ill go up to there to the jdm guy lol
and have him swap my auto to manual, bc the 4A i found came w/ a 5sp
soooo ill keep the tranny and use my auto 1 until i get the $$$ and parts

[celica9110]

is a 4a swap a rwd swap?

[celica09]

from wat i rad it can be either but i do know that u have to get a fwd tranny of coarse but yeah i have seen fwd and rwd 4ages

[Dr_Tweak]

that would be sweet but dont you have to fabricate the 2nd supercharger or do they make twin charged 4agzes???

You would add a custom turbo system to the 4AGZE which is already supercharged. I don't recommend it though. Here are some pics of it actually being done:

http://www.phoenixtuning.com/toyota/swaps/brandon.html

how hard is it to do a 4A swap in our cars?
engine mounts? do i need to modify them?
and will my 7A tranny mount to it?

It swaps right in using either transmission, and use your stock axles. You will need custom wiring, a/c lines, p/s lines, and a little exhaust and intake work.

well i have researched and ive seen that all "a" trannys will mate right with all "A" motors but the motor mounts im not too sure ive probly read it but dont remember.. but i need to know wat the easiest way to program the ecu should i get the 4age ecu mated with my wiring harness or should i get a megasquirt?? or get my stock ecu reprogrammed??

Just have the wiring converted: http://www.phoenixtuning.com/

yeah well that works out i think im going to go with the 4age blacktop and turbo it but the thing is i herd hat the 4agze motors came with a 6 speed tranny and i have an automatic how hard would it be to drop a 6 speed maual into my car??

The 6-speed from the 4AGE 20v blacktop should bolt right in like any other 4AGE.

from wat i rad it can be either but i do know that u have to get a fwd tranny of coarse but yeah i have seen fwd and rwd 4ages

In the Celica it's FWD. It can be swapped into some older RWD cars as well, like the AE86.

-Doc

[celica09]

so just to be sure a 7afe would bolt up to a 4age tranny??

[Stambo]

since we're talking about 4age's which is more powerful 4age black top or 4agze?

[celica9110]

the 4AGZE by like 10-15 horses i think
***EDIT***
3. 4A-GZE - This supercharged, 1.6 liter engine, is used in some first generation Toyota MR2s(Chassis code AW11), and is also used in the AE92('88-'91) and AE101('92-'95) JDM Toyota Corollas. In the oldest versions of the AE92('88 and '89), and the AW11, this engine only produces 145 horsepower. However, in the later versions of the AE92('90 and '91), this engine produces 162 horsepower, and in the AE101 form, this engine produces 167 horsepower. This engine has excellent low end torque, and is generally recommended over the 20 valve 4A-GE for street driving because of this. This engine will swap directly into any Celica with a 7A-FE(USDM ST) because both engines are A-series engines. This engine will bolt right up to your stock USDM ST(AT200) transmission, though the stock tranny may not be able to handle the 4A-GZE's boost very well. It's advised that you simply use the tranny that comes with the 4A-GZE engine.
This version is much easier to find, and is identified by a silver valve cover. It is an older engine than the silver top, and is rated to have five less horsepower. Unfortunately, this version of the engine is over-rated, and it's estimated that this engine produces about 10-20 horsepower less than advertised by Toyota. The "Black Top" version of this engine, however, is not over-rated, and it produces right around 165 horsepower at the crank. This version of the engine is identified by a black valve cover, and this version can be found in the AE111 Toyota Corolla.


got that from
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=1311

This post has been edited by celica9110: Nov 20, 2008 - 12:49 AM