D0W3RK Finally Turbo!, New Intercooler Options

[d0w0rkS0n]

so after a lot of wait and gathering of parts... that car is Boosted. dyno sheet will be up when i can scan it. but it did 160 to the wheels on 5lbs. had to stop before it kept going higher due to Boost creeping. :-\ but ill have pics up and dyno soon!!

feels great

thanks for all the help everyone who has given me advice and parts along the way!!


-Allen





and now my next step is to restore those blue radiator hoses and stuff to black. blue looks so .... yea. haha

This post has been edited by d0w0rkS0n: Apr 2, 2009 - 11:25 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

Pics or I call BS

[d0w0rkS0n]

haha dont worry Tweak. im at work. get off at 7. Pics will be up Tonight.

[d0w0rkS0n]

ok..posted pics. now i just need to get a copy of my dyno on the comp.

[Culpable04]

great work.

what PSI do you plan to take it ? don't tell me you did all this work for 5 PSI only.

[d0w0rkS0n]

thanks! and hell no im not just trying to stay at 5psi. lol. lookin for 12.

[Smaay]

post a list of all the mods you did

[presure2]

looks good.
like the top mount turbo setup, curious as to why you mounted it with the compressor on the passanger side?

[Terracar]

looks good.
like the top mount turbo setup, curious as to why you mounted it with the compressor on the passanger side?

X2

ThoughI would imagine for FMIC it may be a little less piping.

-Terracar

[d0w0rkS0n]

thats exactly why it was mounted on the compressor side. just made the piping layout easier and more accessible.

[d0w0rkS0n]

Mods are:

460cc Denso Injectors.
255lph Walboro Fuel Pump
T3/T4 "ebay Special" turbo. .57 trim
Internally Wastegated with 6psi spring.
2.5" IC piping.
Big Greddy FMIC
Apexi Neo
HKS SSQV as of 1 hour ago.
Apexi Turbo Timer
custom 2.5" downpipe
2.5" full exhaust
JGS Tools Oil feed and drain kit

[Culpable04]

Mods are:

460cc Denso Injectors.
255lph Walboro Fuel Pump
T3/T4 "ebay Special" turbo. .57 trim
Internally Wastegated with 6psi spring.
2.5" IC piping.
Big Greddy FMIC
Apexi Neo
HKS SSQV as of 1 hour ago.
Apexi Turbo Timer
custom 2.5" downpipe
2.5" full exhaust
JGS Tools Oil feed and drain kit

I guess this explains why you're getting boost creep at 5 psi.

[RUNNIN-LOW]

looks good man keep it up!! update with dyno sheets please!!

[d0w0rkS0n]

Mods are:

460cc Denso Injectors.
255lph Walboro Fuel Pump
T3/T4 "ebay Special" turbo. .57 trim
Internally Wastegated with 6psi spring.
2.5" IC piping.
Big Greddy FMIC
Apexi Neo
HKS SSQV as of 1 hour ago.
Apexi Turbo Timer
custom 2.5" downpipe
2.5" full exhaust
JGS Tools Oil feed and drain kit

I guess this explains why you're getting boost creep at 5 psi.

but it creeps all the way to 12psi

[lagos]

Thats what happens on internal waste gates with free flowing exhausts.

[d0w0rkS0n]

so i either need to Bore out the whole in the wastegate more, or buy a lower spring if im not mistaken

[lagos]

no, tune it for 12psi. 5 pounds gets old quick.

[d0w0rkS0n]

i was thinkin about that, but i wasnt sure what the situation would be. if it woul still creep higher and higher.

[hurley97]

I have the same boost creep problem. I have an internally wastegated turbo with an 11psi spring (it's the smallest I could find for my turbo) and it creeps to about 15psi. I'm sure it'll creep higher than that but my MAP sensor won't let it. I plan on getting a Tial external wastegate with a 7 or 8psi spring and turn it up to 10psi. Hopefully that will help the creep issue, if not I'll be in the market for a new turbo with a bigger exhaust housing.

This post has been edited by hurley97: Feb 16, 2009 - 7:14 PM

[d0w0rkS0n]

yea i actually just took apart my buddys old t3/t4 turbo that has the same exhaust housing as mine. im gonna take a dremel to the hole for the wastegate and open it up some more. *according to my tuner, that will help with the boost creep* but im orderin my MBC in a few. so ill get that and turn down the boost for now.

[d0w0rkS0n]

boost controller ordered. also got new exhaust side for my turbo. im going to bore out the wastegate hole more

[d0w0rkS0n]

oil restrictor ordered and boost controller should be here today. exhaust housing is being bored out for more flow. but now, i just keep what lagos said in mind. about tuning it on 12psi. sounds like what i wanna do.. but im afraid to do it right now on stock internals.

[hurley97]

I'm not sure about the mileage or condition of your motor, but stock 7A internals are just fine at 12psi.

[JRB8]

Wow that is one tastefully modded toyota right there!!!! Whoever was the original owner of that car is the man!!! that is all i have to say!!!!!

[d0w0rkS0n]

Wow that is one tastefully modded toyota right there!!!! Whoever was the original owner of that car is the man!!! that is all i have to say!!!!!

"by the way that comment is pertaining to everything but the blue paint in the engine bay, so ugly. retard. lol"


oh thats pretty funny ricky. ill see you tonight.

[JRB8]

funny quote i read recently

my analysis of you allen is that your inner Id, ego and super ego must be in a complex fight for conscious superiority forcing your libido to be fixated unconsciously on desires of the phallus. As a defense mechanism, you're sucked into repression due to childhood sexual abuse. In order to resolve your inner conflict you must first confront your deep rooted fear of intimacy stemming from an Oedipus type affection for your mother.

goodnight 6gc

-Rick

[d0w0rkS0n]

hahaha get your ass over here!

[d0w0rkS0n]

ok. boost is under control. im runnin strong on 8psi right not. needs to be re-tuned now.


i do have a question for some of you, and i might even open another thread just for it.

what are some of yalls opinion on a "two-step"??

[bccentaur3]

Do it. Its awesome and great for launching. Nothing beats launching off the line with boost built up already. but I hear it will kill your turbo. I plan on doing two step with the emanage ultimate.

[d0w0rkS0n]

so the emange is the best program to get for it? all i have for my motor is the Neo, and i know i need more to be able to set up the two step. im hearin i should get he msd ignition.

[lagos]

I've heard of issues with 2 step killing rings. Its also pretty bad on your trans to launch like that. I would turn up the boost, before I would try to get any gains from a 2 step launch. Especially in a fwd car, all you will do is spin your tires with 2 step.

[d0w0rkS0n]

the funny thing is. i dont really even plan on using it to launch that much. i just think it sounds sexy as hell. lol
call me a loser... i dont care haha its just sweet.

[d0w0rkS0n]

I'm not sure about the mileage or condition of your motor, but stock 7A internals are just fine at 12psi.

odometer is 156,009 right now. motor holds strong. just, not sure if i have the guts to put it at the 12psi

[d0w0rkS0n]

so wow.... oil leak out of my spark plug grommets??

popped my hood, and oil was all over my valve cover, pulled out my first spark plug to see the tube was filled with oil...

back before the turbo.. i had decided to redo my seals. and the store only had 3 grommets in stock. so i replaced all but one. turns out, thats the one thats leaking. pulled the valve cover off, replaced the grommet and put some sealant around the outside of it. hope that fixes the problem

[presure2]

yea, 2 step kills stock pistions. (cracked ringlands)

[d0w0rkS0n]

damn i want it. ill get it with the new upgrade. either new internals, or a 3s swap. cant decide.

im kinda in the same boat with you manny. about the money to spend for power. we can put thousands into a motor, and only be at the power a normal 3sgte swap comes with and knowing theres so much more power to get out of it

[Hafkai]

so wow.... oil leak out of my spark plug grommets??
popped my hood, and oil was all over my valve cover, pulled out my first spark plug to see the tube was filled with oil...

Have you left the crankcase ventilation untouched? This would pressurize the crankcase under boost and your grommets and gaskets would start to leak.

[d0w0rkS0n]

i put a new pcv valve on it. with a thicker hose on it.

[JRB8]

I've heard of issues with 2 step killing rings. Its also pretty bad on your trans to launch like that. I would turn up the boost, before I would try to get any gains from a 2 step launch. Especially in a fwd car, all you will do is spin your tires with 2 step.

sound familiar... lol, either way there is much more you can and NEED to spend your money on before you invest in something you think sounds cool

see you tonight

-Rick

This post has been edited by JRB8: Feb 23, 2009 - 4:15 PM

[d0w0rkS0n]

funny quote i read recently

my analysis of you allen is that your inner Id, ego and super ego must be in a complex fight for conscious superiority forcing your libido to be fixated unconsciously on desires of the phallus. As a defense mechanism, you're sucked into repression due to childhood sexual abuse. In order to resolve your inner conflict you must first confront your deep rooted fear of intimacy stemming from an Oedipus type affection for your mother.

goodnight 6gc

-Rick

Your only popular because you developed early and starting giving handjobs when you were 12. but now you cant stand to look at yourself in the mirror because all you see is a whore. so you pick on me to avoid the innevitable realization that once your body is used up by age 21, your gonna be a worn out, chalky skin burlap sack that even your uncle wont want!

hurry up and get off work!!

[JRB8]

Your only popular because you developed early and starting giving handjobs when you were 12. but now you cant stand to look at yourself in the mirror because all you see is a whore. so you pick on me to avoid the innevitable realization that once your body is used up by age 21, your gonna be a worn out, chalky skin burlap sack that even your uncle wont want!

hurry up and get off work!!
[/quote]


I can live with that got one more year!!!!

[d0w0rkS0n]

hahaha more like only a few months

[d0w0rkS0n]

so... yea.. still leakin oil from my spark plug area. :-\ thought it might have been because of too much crankcase pressure. so i bought a breather and installed it onto the pcv valve, and just ran my bov to the open nipple on the intake manifold. but thats obviously not the issue anymore.

This post has been edited by d0w0rkS0n: Mar 24, 2009 - 12:23 PM

[6strngs]

you need to route the pcv on your valve cover to your intake for the turbo. It needs to see only vacuum, not boost. Unfortunately, it'll be a little difficult to hook it up if you just have a filter clamped straight onto the turbo.

anyway, if you don't, you'll just pressurize the crankcase and blow out a ton of gaskets and seals. In the meantime, putting a little breather on the PCV and capping off the intake manifold one (if you put your BOV line there, that's fine) will be better than what you had.

[d0w0rkS0n]

you need to route the pcv on your valve cover to your intake for the turbo. It needs to see only vacuum, not boost. Unfortunately, it'll be a little difficult to hook it up if you just have a filter clamped straight onto the turbo.

anyway, if you don't, you'll just pressurize the crankcase and blow out a ton of gaskets and seals. In the meantime, putting a little breather on the PCV and capping off the intake manifold one (if you put your BOV line there, that's fine) will be better than what you had.

alrighty... thats what i got going on now. and i guess we'll see what happens

[boosted95]

why the different bov? whats on there now?

[d0w0rkS0n]

why the different bov? whats on there now?

the other BOV wasnt what ii liked. i got that greddy knock off for free. i wanted the HKS SQV. so thats whats on there now

[d0w0rkS0n]

ok.. so i would love some adviced. and quickly if possible. now all of a sudden... my car is acting funny. its as if the car wants to resist power. the throttle feels heavier to push.. meaning that when i push the throttle, it feels as if it has no power and takes a few seconds to do anything. i am not hitting my 8lbs. im only hitting 3-4 psi. i dont know what the issue is exactly. friends are sayin its a boost leak. i tightened down some couplers and that didnt make a difference. car is supposed to be at a car meet today. and then when i get home, im gonna spray the pipes and couplers with soapy water and see if i can find and air leaks.


ANY thoughts???

[jcaron9gt4]

Yea, it sounds like a boost leak somewhere. Check everything, your whole route of piping to see if there's any rips, leaks, anything in the couplers that would cause air to come out. Don't just check the most prone spots, check everything and you should find it.

[d0w0rkS0n]

Yea, it sounds like a boost leak somewhere. Check everything, your whole route of piping to see if there's any rips, leaks, anything in the couplers that would cause air to come out. Don't just check the most prone spots, check everything and you should find it.

ok ill check into it. i checked the front of the intercooler and those couplers. you could see and rub off some oil from underneath the couplers. so my thought is obvious that there must be some kind of gap on the coupler if the blow by is getting the outside of my intercooler

[d0w0rkS0n]

ok so im thinking that my boost leak may be from my intake manifold. im guessing that i possibly blew out my intake gaskets.


sound about right to anybody?

i just want some feedback before i pull my intake manifold off. lol

[jcaron9gt4]

What are your reasons for thinking that?

[d0w0rkS0n]

What are your reasons for thinking that?

i have a boost leak. i did a compression test. 225 in each cylinder which is amazingly kinda high. IC piping seems to be ok. i drove with the pcv valve still connected to the intake manifold for a while... so i figure the pressure may have caused it to blow... either the throttle body gasket or the actual intake manifold chamber gasket.

[6strngs]

invest in one of these before you go any further with taking the intake manifold off:

http://www.siliconeintakes.com/product_inf...659d31bef05d68e

(they come in different sizes and colors, I was just using that as an example.) just take the coupler off your turbo, hook this up to the IC piping, and using a bicycle pump, or air compressor if you have one, pump in and listen for leaks. if it's a slow leak, spray soapy water around the connections. Also don't just check the ones easy to look at, check ALL of them.

leaving your PCV hooked up will blow gaskets and seals around the crankcase, such as oil pan, cam and crank seals, valve cover gasket, etc... Not the intake manifold or throttle body gaskets...

Edit: you can also build one of those testers if you're cheap. Get some PVC pipe at home depot or whatever that has a capped end, drill a hole (figure out what the right size should be...) then go to a tire shop and ask for a single rubber valve stem. if they're cool they'll give it to you for free, they might charge like a dollar. then ask if they could pull it through the hole for you. it'll be a pain to get it through without a special valve puller that they will have. voila! for like $5-6 you got the same thing.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Mar 10, 2009 - 1:01 AM

[d0w0rkS0n]

invest in one of these before you go any further with taking the intake manifold off:

http://www.siliconeintakes.com/product_inf...659d31bef05d68e

(they come in different sizes and colors, I was just using that as an example.) just take the coupler off your turbo, hook this up to the IC piping, and using a bicycle pump, or air compressor if you have one, pump in and listen for leaks. if it's a slow leak, spray soapy water around the connections. Also don't just check the ones easy to look at, check ALL of them.

leaving your PCV hooked up will blow gaskets and seals around the crankcase, such as oil pan, cam and crank seals, valve cover gasket, etc... Not the intake manifold or throttle body gaskets...

Edit: you can also build one of those testers if you're cheap. Get some PVC pipe at home depot or whatever that has a capped end, drill a hole (figure out what the right size should be...) then go to a tire shop and ask for a single rubber valve stem. if they're cool they'll give it to you for free, they might charge like a dollar. then ask if they could pull it through the hole for you. it'll be a pain to get it through without a special valve puller that they will have. voila! for like $5-6 you got the same thing.

thanks nathan..but its kinda funny... i actually made one last night.. using a pcv plug and a coupler and a 1//8 NPT fitting. going tomorrow to my friends and hookin an air compressor up to it. " you can also build one of those testers if you're cheap" <--- lol. im not cheap. just... only takes $9.68 and i have my very own custom made one lol

This post has been edited by d0w0rkS0n: Mar 10, 2009 - 11:41 AM

[d0w0rkS0n]

Catch Can installed

ran the hose from my pcv valve to one side of the can, and ran the other hose to the intake side of the turbo.

not sure if im gonna keep it in the same location... its by the fuse panel on the driver side of the engine bay only because i didnt have time to drill holes or see anywhere else to mount it.

looks kinda dumb with the hoses running across the engine bay to it. ill post pics up tomorrow. Possibly today depending on how work is

[95st-celica]

keep up the good work..glad to see your not just giving up and your finding and fixing problems...its gonna tak some work no doubt...all turbo cars do..just take your time and work thorugh it...remember to do it right the first time because it will only pay off in the long run...more pics, get to the dyno, and post up some numbers once its tuned!

[d0w0rkS0n]

keep up the good work..glad to see your not just giving up and your finding and fixing problems...its gonna tak some work no doubt...all turbo cars do..just take your time and work thorugh it...remember to do it right the first time because it will only pay off in the long run...more pics, get to the dyno, and post up some numbers once its tuned!

Thank You!

its been a headache and ive been close to just saying $#&k it. but im gonna stick with it and get her running right. ive got a new polished valve cover on the way. hopefully that will fix the leak from the spark plug tubes. just need my new exhaust and im gonna take it to get it re-tuned. Electronic boost controller was ordered and on the way now too. so when i take it. i will get two tunes. one for the daily about 6lbs probably. and another set to 10lbs.

[d0w0rkS0n]

looks bad at night. and if anyone is wondering where the fuse cover is.. i pulled them off. i dont want the blue engine bay. lol. so im repainting a lot of it black.


ill try and get a pic up during the day

[d0w0rkS0n]

just a couple daylight pics of a few changes and upgrades. Intake on the turbo came off my buddys mr2. catch can installed, but i dontlike the location. gonn re-locate it. painted my radiator hoses black as well as my fuse cover. and removed cruise control so i would have room for the intake and more room to mount the boost solenoid for my EBC.

[d0w0rkS0n]

my New intercooler

[cibrit-]

Sexy!!

I'm diggin the piece of wood that holds the hood open

[GriffGirl]

This update reminds me of the "front grill" thread I was looking at the other day. I think the best front grill mod is an intercooler!

Congrats, looks great. I'm SUPER jealous.

[d0w0rkS0n]

Sexy!!

I'm diggin the piece of wood that holds the hood open

hahah. i know right!!

This update reminds me of the "front grill" thread I was looking at the other day. I think the best front grill mod is an intercooler!

Congrats, looks great. I'm SUPER jealous.

and thanks i couldnt stop looking out my window yesterday looking at it.


*intercooler is by FAR the best "front grill"

[95st-celica]

nicce man...looking good....im diggin that bumper with the lip on it..very nice...and nice front mount

[celicaST]

looks good, what map sensor are you using?

This post has been edited by celicaST: Apr 3, 2009 - 6:49 PM

[d0w0rkS0n]

looks good, what map sensor are you using?

using a 3-bar

[d0w0rkS0n]

has anyone heard of a New intercooler changing the way your car sounds when it spools?

[hurley97]

Holy massive intercooler!! I think its bigger than the engine...

[d0w0rkS0n]

Holy massive intercooler!! I think its bigger than the engine...

hahah it is!

[Cutrara]

are you missing your crash bar? what if you get in an accident?

[d0w0rkS0n]

are you missing your crash bar? what if you get in an accident?

then im screwed.

[95st-celica]

good answer, lol...i think that a bigger FMIC will sound differently then a much smaller one...is it louder then before? whats it sound like?

[bccentaur3]

IS that a 4" core? I am also curious about the sound too!!

[RUNNIN-LOW]

man that intercooler is bigger then my 3rd gen 3s!.......well nvm!!!!!!!!!!! i still like that on your car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know WHAT!!!!!!!!! I LIKE IT!!!

[crankyelbow]

wow, its a shame to see the bumper back on the car

You really REALLY need to do a custom job to show that bad ass intercooler off!!!!

[d0w0rkS0n]

yea i DO wanna do something with the front to show more of it off. yes its a 4" core. and the sound has change tremendously.

ill try and do a sound clip when i get a chance... it seriously sounds like an aircraft. The high pitched sound you hear when they are coming in for a landing. it starts off a little soft and then it just SCREAMS!

[crankyelbow]

yea i DO wanna do something with the front to show more of it off. yes its a 4" core. and the sound has change tremendously.

ill try and do a sound clip when i get a chance... it seriously sounds like an aircraft. The high pitched sound you hear when they are coming in for a landing. it starts off a little soft and then it just SCREAMS!

Om may just be that wonderful whistle...

[d0w0rkS0n]

yea its more of a whistle. but it just reminds me of an aircraft with the high pitch it makes.

[crankyelbow]

Possibly more pressure loss through that IC and its making the turbo work harder for the same boost?

I wonder if thats really what it is?

[d0w0rkS0n]

Possibly more pressure loss through that IC and its making the turbo work harder for the same boost?

I wonder if thats really what it is?

yea im pretty sure thats it. cause there IS pressure loss. i needed to adjust my boost controller so i can hit my 8lbs.

[d0w0rkS0n]

Spoke to my tuner today. Going in on May 13th to up the boost to 10 and get re-tuned Hoping to make Much more power now that the boost creep is fixed and he can actually tune it PAST 4.700 RPM.

[d0w0rkS0n]

ok so i finally came back to my celica. i sure did miss her lol been so busy buildin the mr2 and working lately. i decided to have a little fine and make a better intake for the turbo.... removed the passenger side high beam and a installed and intake with the filter fitting right into it. will post pics in a couple of minutes

[RUNNIN-LOW]

yes i want to see!!! i was plannin on doing something like that with my set-up...

[d0w0rkS0n]

i can honestly say it made a huge difference! my jaw dropped after taking her for a ride! and its been a while since thats happened lol

[Neil_Y]

i can honestly say it made a huge difference! my jaw dropped after taking her for a ride! and its been a while since thats happened lol

don't know if rain is comming,how is your intake

[d0w0rkS0n]

well no... i cant drive in the rain. and i leave the car covered so it wont get rained on and get water inside the intake

[d0w0rkS0n]

to sell... or not to sell