Malpaso's SS-four performance upgrade - stage II, 27th of July, 2009 final update... :( Options

[malpaso]

Two years ago doGGy installed on my 7AFE his famous turbo kit (http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=44390). I have received for 100% more power to my 7AFE... amazing experience. Now it's time to move forward again. I want more power so I have officially started "performance upgrade - stage II". For now just few teaser details for you :

aim: swap fully build 3SGTE
engine management: ViPEC V44
performance: as much as power can FWD handle
more details: secret... (so far )
target date: first of August 2009 (so 3 months to go...)

...and at last first cellphone pic :



stay tuned...

This post has been edited by malpaso: Jul 26, 2009 - 6:30 PM

[808celica]

[manphibian]

Saw your facebook status.

[azian_advanced]

can't wait to see the end result..
but where's the 7afte gonna go?

[stetsonaw]

nice!!

[malpaso]

can't wait to see the end result..
but where's the 7afte gonna go?

It will be for sale. With engine as is or sell out by parts... depends on interest. However must go when project is finished.

[808celica]

7afTe powered dune buggie!!

[Batman722]

nice Martin
finally going big time

[AnaXyd]

This sounds good!

[FunkySR]

really looking forward to this.

[Shigexile]

something i already knew that was coming but still .... SWEEEEEET

[supershannon77]

Awesome...I cant wait for more details!!!!!!!!!! Best of Luck!!

[robby]

Martin . ............ this is nice project ... .if you have any parts to need on your 3S GTE .. I can find to you in HK side............

[j0e_p3t]

looks like another person got addicted to boost. good luck with the project.

[reko]

what is your budget?

[malpaso]

Folks, thanks for comments and support.

To reko: My budget is $12500 and will be spend completely...
To j0e_p3t: I'm afraid so . I just need more power...
To robby: Thank you so much Robby. I appreciate that a lot. There are still some parts I need (like performance clutch etc) so I let you know...
To supershannon77: More details? Hmmm... What about hints like Eagle, Wiseco, Cometic...
To Shigexile: true is I have been planning maintenance on engine for many months... but since doGGy is not responding to my mails and found guy who will help with tune-up here.... I had not much choices
To FunkySR: Thanks... I will try to keep you posed here. But... still have feeling nothing much is worth to say
To AnaXyd: I can't wait for "swap day" to see it live
To Batman722: you are right... finally... FINALLY!
To 808celica: I hope not

[BonzaiCelica]

damn nice Malpaso. Now your car will live up to your name.

They are selling a st205 front clip on rpmgarage for $1750 not bad right...

[malpaso]

damn nice Malpaso. Now your car will live up to your name.

They are selling a st205 front clip on rpmgarage for $1750 not bad right...

Right... for about $2800 you should have complete 250HP engine in your hands... than swap and tune up... plus some small things you need to complete it... I believe total would be somewhere around $6000.

[njccmd2002]

so theother 6000 send it to me to do my swap!!

i like this thread, it needs pics as soon as you ge therm

[malpaso]

9th of June, 2009 update:
Almost another month is gone but nothing much new with my project . I have had some troubles with engine parts, delivery and... sad to say that with guy who is building that engine as well. He has many projects to do and it seems he just postponing and postponing the my one... last info is that 3rd gen 3SGE engine is now disassembled and cleaned. When all engine parts are here assembling should begin...

[malpaso]

20th of June, 2009 update:
So... another bunch of parts here











According to plan in 30days engine will be ready for installation (I hope all peripherals will arrive on time)

[supershannon77]

I just wanna say that everyday now that we are in july i see ur car on my calendar and I think you own my favorite celica you did such amazing work on that car I can't wait to see this project finished!!!

[SwissFerdi]

From my understanding, you're turbo'ing a 3S-GTE? I thought that wasn't possible because of weak internals...

...but I'm sure I read the posts wrong, it's almost 2 in the morning.

[AnaXyd]

The 3S-GTE is already turboed...

[SwissFerdi]

I meant 3S-GE, like he said here:

... last info is that 3rd gen 3SGE engine is now disassembled and cleaned. When all engine parts are here assembling should begin...

I'm assuming he just missed the T.

[malpaso]

I have bought 3rd gen 3SGE. Engine will be disassembled, cleaned, rebored and forged internals will be used. Than turbocharged... so finally I will have fully build 3SGTE capable to hold 600HP*. I want to be sure what I have inside and do not re-seal o re-build engine each 2 years...


*it will finally run less so do not panic

[whatthe]

so finally I will have fully build 3SGTE capable to hold 600HP*. [/size]

Im not doubting you, but how much HP are you aiming for? And a question to your answer. Wont there be wheelspin?

[malpaso]

so finally I will have fully build 3SGTE capable to hold 600HP*.

Im not doubting you, but how much HP are you aiming for? And a question to your answer. Wont there be wheelspin?

My aim is not clear so far... Engine will be definitely tuned in two-three steps (engine running-up will be at 250-300bhp about). When car will be running tuned to the max depends on budget. I do not want run fully tuned car on stock ST brakes. So before that I want brake upgrade, install some more braces to make car body more stiff and buy wider tires. That's bit about aim... and wheel spin? We will see... I have great exemplars here to follow and learn from

Batman722: 335whp
Alan: 370bhp (~315whp)
Presure2: 307whp

[presure2]

i cant wait to see the results of this build.
looking forward to pics ect!

[malpaso]

9th of July, 2009 update:
block and crank is being rebored now... Hope everything will be fine (expected results in week). Below I have few pics of 3rd gen 3SGE engine as I have bought it:

[malpaso]

22nd of July, 2009 update:
$hit happens... I have no words. News from grinding shop (of what should I call place where engine is re-bored). Crank is useless... I need new crank or another 129kW 3SGE engine. And I need it fast...

[presure2]

ahh man, that SUCKS!
hope you get sorted straight away.

[_Jim_]

What are your reasons for starting with a 3SGE over a 3SGTE?

[malpaso]

What are your reasons for starting with a 3SGE over a 3SGTE?

To buy 3rd gen 3SGTE here is impossible... (cuz ST205 was not officially for sale here). There are available only some 2nd gen 3SGTEs from ST185 for price like $2000-2500. I had a lot of discussions with my technician here and finally decided for buying 129kW 3rd gen. 3SGE, rebuild and turbo it. Price of 3SGE like that is about $1000 here. That is the main reason why.

[808celica]

damn martin that sucks bug time

[vincent_doggy]

Some of my goodies for 3SGE might help!!!

[malpaso]

Some of my goodies for 3SGE might help!!!

Thank you for support. I know you have tons of it... . Today I may have another engine. Everything depends on condition of crank. So fingers crossed.

[SwissFerdi]

Good luck with the build, I believe this may be the first turbo'd 3S-GE...ever?

[malpaso]

27th of July, 2009... final update:
with almost tears in my eyes I must say it's over. Another two tries to get useful engine and nothing. I can not handle that anymore. My technician is not able to hold budget, timing and what we have agreed. So I have spend $6750 for parts so far but it's useless now...now I must think what to do. However this project is over .

[azian_advanced]

ouch.. i was hoping for this project to go well. it sucks how things had to turn out this way.

[Tom_SS2]

you must be able to pick a 3S-GE or crank up from a breaker or sumat in Germany, just a quick trip over the border

[BonzaiCelica]

umm cant you use a crank from a 4th gen 3sge. from my understanding and what info i got from rusty. Most internals between 4th and 3rd gen 3sge are the same.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-OEM-98-...sQ5fAccessories

[malpaso]

umm cant you use a crank from a 4th gen 3sge. from my understanding and what info i got from rusty. Most internals between 4th and 3rd gen 3sge are the same.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-OEM-98-...sQ5fAccessories

Unfortunately it is not . It's balanced different and it's thicker and if I remember right has also different number of flywheel nuts.

[BonzaiCelica]

really aahh thats sucks. well did what i could to help even though i couldn't be of much help.

[keison2000]

So your 7A still isn't putting out the power you want. You ever get any times for it. Congrads and GL

[doGGy]

27th of July, 2009... final update:
with almost tears in my eyes I must say it's over. Another two tries to get useful engine and nothing. I can not handle that anymore. My technician is not able to hold budget, timing and what we have agreed. So I have spend $6750 for parts so far but it's useless now...now I must think what to do. However this project is over .

You are knocking on the WRONG doors Martin, if you spent so much - and still have nothing... I did Marchius swap for less amount of money including Caldina ST246 4gen 3SGTE motor, Mega squirt ECU, Custom FMIC, Full 3' exhaust, Tune-up, and custom Clutch...

If you told me - i would sourched you atleast 3 motors.... But you never mentioned me about this project....

About 3SGE engines - last one i sold - price for it was 400$ including Titanium header by fujitsubo, and engine was in perfect condition with 80K km...

You can always go and buy 2gen 3SGE and go crazy with it...

If you need any help Martin - let me know... My shedule is super busy still - but i will do my best if you need something.


This post has been edited by doGGy: Jul 28, 2009 - 10:28 AM

[RbrtNdrws]

Don't give up on your dreams Martin!

[malpaso]

Thanks folks.. now I'm just calculating what next. Half of my budged is gone (or let's say in parts I'm not sure I can use) and thinking what is the best way now. I still want more than 200HP and still do not want to give everything up. I hope there will be results soon...

To doGGy: Romas, I gave you some messages on April this year to confirm you start working on my car on May but you haven't answered. I just assumed you are oveloded with work so you just have no time. So I made decision. Wrong decision. Now I must deal with that . I will send you message again and we try to figure out something. Shall we?

[doGGy]

Thanks folks.. now I'm just calculating what next. Half of my budged is gone (or let's say in parts I'm not sure I can use) and thinking what is the best way now. I still want more than 200HP and still do not want to give everything up. I hope there will be results soon...

To doGGy: Romas, I gave you some messages on April this year to confirm you start working on my car on May but you haven't answered. I just assumed you are oveloded with work so you just have no time. So I made decision. Wrong decision. Now I must deal with that . I will send you message again and we try to figure out something. Shall we?

No problem Martin! No problem at all!!! as i presume you are now not in a hurry - so we will figure out somthing definantly! Email me

[Rusty]

Unfortunately it is not . It's balanced different and it's thicker and if I remember right has also different number of flywheel nuts.

I think you might be getting confused with the blacktop 3sge. the redtop is still 6 nuts and blacktop is 8 or something like that, but I could be wrong?

Gen3
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1996_TOYO...BLMVF_1301.html

Gen4 (red)
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1999_TOYO...BLMZF_1301.html

Gen5 (black)
http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_J_1999_TOYO...AEFVF_1301.html

but you shouldn't always believe those pics

[richee3]

I really hope you get something figured out! I know you'll never get your money back for the work done to the motor, but after you get everything done, you'll surely be able to sell some of those parts to recover some of your losses. At least I hope so, for your sake. Best of luck to you! I was hoping after you got this done, it might be the next "featured ride."

[malpaso]

I really hope you get something figured out! I know you'll never get your money back for the work done to the motor, but after you get everything done, you'll surely be able to sell some of those parts to recover some of your losses. At least I hope so, for your sake. Best of luck to you! I was hoping after you got this done, it might be the next "featured ride."

Thank you richee3 that means a lot for me. At last I can share some news. I took all money I have remaining from project and made another "evolution" step . More info here.