3sge Beams into 98 GT Options

[2bcelica]

I've seen a few post with some details for this swap, but not specific enough to give me a direct answer.

I know a few have successfully done this swap and now its my turn to ask for help.

I have a 98 Manual GT and wanted to know if there are any parts or anything I need to look out for when doing this swap.

I will be picking up this Beams next Monday. The harness, ecu, air flow meter, header, shifter, fuel pump, axles, and tranny are included in this set.

Does the harness need to be rewired to work or is it just plug and play?

Any info is greatly appreciated. Thanks

[spolski07]

i believe you need motor ecu speedo tranny and axle's and prob some more items but yeah. why not just go with the 3sgte?

[2bcelica]

got the speedo. Price and convenience was a playing factor in choosing the beams. I saved on shipping because it was a local sale. Beams setup allows me to use the exisitng axle and tranny where as the 3sgte i would have to get a stronger tranny and axle. I like the red top look. The beams gives enough power for now.

[Akirad1]

s that was the surpise you were talkin bout

[2bcelica]

s that was the surpise you were talkin bout

Yep - picking it up Monday -

[95celgt]

dam from jhot? i wanted to pick it up next month lol

it should be fun, i too want to go the n/a route this time

[GriffGirl]

Talk to Dr. Tweak, he can guide you in all of your electrical needs.

http://www.phoenixtuning.com

[BonzaiCelica]

3rd/4th gen 3sge tranny have a higher final drive but they are all s54 transmissions.

Anybody know the top speed for 2.2 ltr gt celica vs a 3rd/4th gen 3sge.

Im glad you going with beams swap. its a rare engine and i have that engine in mind when i come to do my swap. you been researching that engine from http://www.beams-redtop.com/redparts.htm

you find any headers for it. beams wasn't given that much aftermarket support like it should have...

you would need custom a/c lines and power steering i think??

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 15, 2009 - 2:07 AM

[2bcelica]

3rd/4th gen 3sge tranny have a higher final drive but they are all s54 transmissions.

Anybody know the top speed for 2.2 ltr gt celica vs a 3rd/4th gen 3sge.

Im glad you going with beams swap. its a rare engine and i have that engine in mind when i come to do my swap. you been researching that engine from http://www.beams-redtop.com/redparts.htm

you find any headers for it. beams wasn't given that much aftermarket support like it should have...

you would need custom a/c lines and power steering i think??

Thank you so much for that website info. Its gonna help alot.

[Remy]

You can't order any replacement parts for it if your in the states though right ?? Cause those numbers don't come up on 1sttoyota or toyotaworld.

[njccmd2002]

wow, cool to see that beams is going to something good...

that website will link you to a forum, if i recall, there is a guy that can get the parts from new zealand. I want to do this mod for a while. but no money,

talk to outsider, he did the swap. dont know if he still has the car....

[BonzaiCelica]

yup no problem 2bcelica. Hmm not sure Remy, about the whole ordering factory parts for the engine works all in those beams forums.

yes outsider did the swap a few years ago. Also check this out http://www.southerncarcustoms.com/GS_Projects.htm
there is a guy who did beams swap and also that white celica that did the 3sgte swap he looks familiar from pics here on 6gc. who is that guy. and also dr tweak did a swap on a 92 gt celica with beams in it. So that makes it 2 beams in the u.s. for sure. could be some more we don't know about???

check out maikl profile. he has some really nice headers. but it doesnt list what kind they are. he what got me inspired to considering the beams engine.

http://www.6gc.net/members/maikl

[Rusty]

there is a guy that can get the parts from new zealand.

lol good ol' New zealand

[2bcelica]

Just got the beams today. Looks great and in very good condition. Pics are a bit dark. Will be working on it soon and will be in touch with Dr. Tweak for the harness conversion. Can't wait to get everything completed.

[Outsider]

Congrats.....

The header is a two piece unit, make sure you got both parts.
Did you get the cat that bolts on the end of the header?
Do you have the gauges? You will need the tach.

I still have the car. It is still running like a top.
I have never had any trouble what so ever.

This post has been edited by Outsider: May 18, 2009 - 9:36 PM

[2bcelica]

Congrats.....

The header is a two piece unit, make sure you got both parts.
Did you get the cat that bolts on the end of the header?
Do you have the gauges? You will need the tach.

I still have the car. It is still running like a top.
I have never had any trouble what so ever.

Yeah I got the bottom part of the header and the tach too. Did Tweak do ur harness also, or did u do it yourself? Any thing I should look out for when attempting this? Thanks

[BonzaiCelica]

you lucky sob. I envy you. But im glad we have another member doing a beams swap. since everyone always goes for turbo setup or 3sgte.!! cant wait till you get it done. I might even have to drive down to texas someday to check it out. CONGRATS!!!

[Outsider]

I did my harness (past avionics tech experience).
It did throw me for a loop though. After everything was installed, It would not start. I traced it back to a non-existant but required jumper under the fuse box in the engine bay. It was something I missed when doing my wiring. If I remember corectly, I only had to cut about 4 or 5 wires and lengthen them. Mechanically, parts will bolt into place.

[BonzaiCelica]

yo outsider. you have a vid of your beams swap in action. you still have kmh gauge or mph gauge conversion.

Do you have lsd on your car??? how many miles does your engine have

[Rusty]

congrates good luck with the install, welcome to the 3sge family

[njccmd2002]

I did my harness (past avionics tech experience).
It did throw me for a loop though. After everything was installed, It would not start. I traced it back to a non-existant but required jumper under the fuse box in the engine bay. It was something I missed when doing my wiring. If I remember corectly, I only had to cut about 4 or 5 wires and lengthen them. Mechanically, parts will bolt into place.

thats it, only a couple of wires?

[2bcelica]

I did my harness (past avionics tech experience).
It did throw me for a loop though. After everything was installed, It would not start. I traced it back to a non-existant but required jumper under the fuse box in the engine bay. It was something I missed when doing my wiring. If I remember corectly, I only had to cut about 4 or 5 wires and lengthen them. Mechanically, parts will bolt into place.

i haven't start work on the beams yet cause of other obligations, but I was wondering and I'm sure i'll find out when I do work on it --- are all the plugs and wiring scheme the same? since you mentioned that you only had to lengthen only about 4-5 wires. I have a copy of the beams wiring diagram and 5sfe diagram, but haven't looked into it yet, since i know i'm going to forget unless I'm doing it while looking at the diagram at the same time.

[Outsider]

You have a BEAMS harness and it will plug into the same spot under the fuse box.

Looks like I will have to rebuild the links to the pics in the old install posts on this forum.

Search my old posts

[2bcelica]

Had some time to take things apart. So far there are a few items that needs to be replaced.

1) Clutch -- old one was really shot
2) Fly wheel - or resurfaced
3) Waterpump - Timing Belt
4) Thermostat

I will be cleaning up the engine block and tranny to prep it for paint. I wanted to paint the block and tranny gold, but the parts store didn't have any gold (closest thing was yellow), so I decided to go with a different theme. Superman colors - Blue and red - Not sure how this would turn out, but hope it'll look good in the engine bay. The header heat shield will be silver.

Here are some pics of progress. Not much to look at though.

[Rusty]

nice to finally see a BEAMS engine with the cover off

I will be cleaning up the engine block and tranny to prep it for paint. I wanted to paint the block and tranny gold, but the parts store didn't have any gold (closest thing was yellow), so I decided to go with a different theme. Superman colors - Blue and red - Not sure how this would turn out, but hope it'll look good in the engine bay. The header heat shield will be silver.

please dont, someone had painted the whole engine red (but with a 3rdgen 3sge) it look wrong (putting it the nicest way I can) the engine looks tidy just the way it is.

[njccmd2002]

tell me where you get the parts for the engine. this is one hell of a thread....

[2bcelica]

nice to finally see a BEAMS engine with the cover off

I will be cleaning up the engine block and tranny to prep it for paint. I wanted to paint the block and tranny gold, but the parts store didn't have any gold (closest thing was yellow), so I decided to go with a different theme. Superman colors - Blue and red - Not sure how this would turn out, but hope it'll look good in the engine bay. The header heat shield will be silver.

please dont, someone had painted the whole engine red (but with a 3rdgen 3sge) it look wrong (putting it the nicest way I can) the engine looks tidy just the way it is.

The existing red is staying red on the valve cover and the intake manifold. I agree, I love the red where it is. the block will be blue, but after everything is put together the blue won't be that noticeable I don't think cause the header heat shield (which will be gray silver) kinda covers up most of the blue that you can see. Working on it right now. Taking a break to wait for the paint to dry a bit.

I'll be getther the OEM parts at a local dealer since they are able to get JDM parts. Their price is about the same as 1sttoyotaparts.com just about $3-$10 higher, but I save on shipping - although I have to pay tax.

Will be posting pics of the paint soon enough.

[2bcelica]

it looks nicer in person . From the pic it looks weird that every thing is blue, but imagine with the red of the valve cover on and intake manifold along with the silver of the head shield - might not be too bad. Thats enough for tonight. Will continue working on it when I get the free time again or when I get the parts needed.

Another guy on here, who is also a local in my area was working on his beams and was going for the iron man theme, which I thought was cool - so I guess its SuperMan vs. IronMan. Sorry I'm a marvel comics geek.

[soulshadow]

I think the beams swap is a lot cheaper and less headache for a lot of us ST guys because we basically have nothing in terms of axels, transmisson, shift linkage and that needed passenger mount.

[BonzaiCelica]

hmm blue block. painting the tranny gold wouldnt be a bad idea if ya still plan on doing it. It might just look good when you put the engine and everything back together. painting different parts of the engine never came into mind when i thought of engine swaps.

so you going straight through a toyota dealer huh? how is that so. I also thought you could not order red top engine parts from 1sttoyotaparts. (or atleast thats what some people where saying)

how are you going about putting everything back on the car. how about when using a torque wrench, how do you know how many pounds the flywheel needs, or the valve cover, or the top of the engine to the block? You have a manual? do you just use the same specs as far as torqueing down stuff off the 5s-fe motor.

Your sticking with stock headers im assuming.

BTW i'm liking your carbon fiber garnish license plate thing. w/e its called. it looks nice

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 29, 2009 - 1:47 AM

[2bcelica]

hmm blue block. painting the tranny gold wouldnt be a bad idea if ya still plan on doing it. It might just look good when you put the engine and everything back together. painting different parts of the engine never came into mind when i thought of engine swaps.

so you going straight through a toyota dealer huh? how is that so. I also thought you could not order red top engine parts from 1sttoyotaparts. (or atleast thats what some people where saying)

how are you going about putting everything back on the car. how about when using a torque wrench, how do you know how many pounds the flywheel needs, or the valve cover, or the top of the engine to the block? You have a manual? do you just use the same specs as far as torqueing down stuff off the 5s-fe motor.

Your sticking with stock headers im assuming.

BTW i'm liking your carbon fiber garnish license plate thing. w/e its called. it looks nice

Yeah the part numbers weren't able to be pulled up by 1sttoyotaparts - I was just mentioning them because the parts that I normally order from them my local dealer normally gives me about the same price. I know the guy at the dealer, so he's able to order parts for me (my family bought 4 toyotas there, so its been a pleasant experience). http://www.beams-redtop.com/redparts.htm
That website has great beams info. Hmm torqueing down stuff -- I use air tools, so not really following any torqueing specs - I probably should, but just going by feel and as long as nothing breaks.

[6GenCelicaST]

Hmm torqueing down stuff -- I use air tools, so not really following any torqueing specs - I probably should, but just going by feel and as long as nothing breaks.

Bad idea my friend. I can see where this is going.

[2bcelica]

Hmm torqueing down stuff -- I use air tools, so not really following any torqueing specs - I probably should, but just going by feel and as long as nothing breaks.

Bad idea my friend. I can see where this is going.

Yeah I understand your concern, but this is not my first, 2nd or 3rd, engine rebuild, but my first engine swap. Never had a problem with all the rebuilds that I've done. I can honestly tell you that not even the best of the best torque everything down to factory specs when working on a vehicle. And I'm sure even mechanics at dealerships don't with every single nut and bolt. I'm no pro, but after working on engines for a while you just kind of get the feel for it.

Hope I didn't offend any one with my comments.

[BonzaiCelica]

hm oh ya the beams engine parts list. ya try to get your hand on a red top manual. if somebody from the forums has them. then you have to worry about converting it from japanese to english.

Id just say go off the 5s-fe engine as far as torqueing down stuff goes. I mean it has the same engine set-up. My guess is that the red top might have some bolts that need more pounds of torque than the 5s-fe. but that would be your closest bet. Good luck with the build.

[2bcelica]

Just a little update. Nothing much besides paint.

[njccmd2002]

hows it going.

can you put a list of the parts replaced...

[2bcelica]

Just a little update.

Got all the parts I needed, and had some time to work on it. Then I found out I received the wrong timing belt - I ordered the right part according to the receipt, but the actual part had a different part number, so I had to reorder. Installed the water pump, thermostat, AC condenser, clutch set. (All toyota parts from 1sttoyotaparts.com, and shoptrd.com)

I hope this weekend I'll have time to start removing the 5SFE, clean the bay. Oh I also purhcased an exhaust system that I hope will get me some good results. As slow as I'm getting things done, I'm glad its coming along. I hope to get some pictures up this weekend. I'm also in the market for a new suspension setup because the Tein SS coilovers sucks over bad roads. (once i find what I'm looking for - the Tein SS will be for sale) I just need something more comfortable but still able to keep my ride low.

Parts replaced

1) Timing belt, V belt
2) thermostat
3) Clutch set
4) Water Pump
5) Spark Plugs
6) Alternator
7) TRD short shifter (coming soon - will order)

This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Jul 16, 2009 - 7:35 PM

[Spider77]

Cant wait to see this thing.

[Rusty]

so just waiting for that belt, then not long till the removal and new install, what cleaning are you going to do in the engine bay?

[BonzaiCelica]

hmm nice update good to see things are coming along. been two months since you got that engine. I see you've been working on it slowly, but c'mon finish it up

[njccmd2002]

can you list so far the part numbers

[BonzaiCelica]

you bought the clip didnt you!!?? just checked on rpmgarge.com like i do everyday and the beams clip that cost $1450 is not there anymore...

[2bcelica]

well got some stuff taken care of today - went to pick up the timing belt - but delay on flywheel part (wont arrive till monday) but i did happen to find something really cool at the dealership , key chain with celica on it for $4.

Just some pics of some parts put together today.

[BonzaiCelica]

nice keychain. Well seems like the blue on engine didnt turn out too bad. Im sure you plan on doing some blue to the bay to match the blue on the engine. So far so good. glad to see another member doing a beams swap.

[2bcelica]

Well I decided to work on the beams this week since i had some time, but just my luck it decided to rain all day so far today and forecast is that it will be like this all week in my area. If it didn't rain I would of been able to remove the 5SFE clean up the bay ad so on. Dang I wish I had a big garage to work in as mine is full of stuff in it. But in the mean time i decided to create a custom face plate overlay for the center dash bezel where the radio is.

I have an aopen mini pc similiar to the mac mini and want it to sit flush. Had a piece of thick aluminum sheet metal so I started cuting. I guess after its done drying I can paint it or leave as it. I tried to make it all flush with the original a while back using bondo, but after a while it started bending and cracking. THis material should be alot better and nicer.



This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Jul 27, 2009 - 4:36 PM

[Spider77]

outta clamps huh?

[BonzaiCelica]

nice work there. So im taking it that you work on your celica most of the time outside huh. So whens this swap going to be completed? you said you would be able to make it to that meet on september 26th.

what brand exhaust did you buy?

[2bcelica]

Yeah - I work on it mostly outside. We'll I'm mostly off this week and if it stops raining, then I might be able to finish it by the end of this week. I bought a used Prof SR - i never heard of it but its some sort custom JDM brand. I should be able to make it to the meet on Sept 26th.

Reason why I don't get to work on it motly besides work is because of my fiance. She wants me to spend time with her when I'm not busy. Some times I think a relationship is like another job, but no pay.

[Spider77]

Try being married. I swear my wife tells me that id pay more attention to her if she was a celica. Cant wait to see this thing.

[vi-tuyen]

you bought your stuffs from JHot right?

[2bcelica]

you bought your stuffs from JHot right?

Yep - thats the best place to get stuff from for the celica besides dealer. It finally stop raining - welp the 5S is out - took about 4 hrs but done. Now gotta take time to clean the engine bay - remove all the gunks and stuff. I might take pictures and post later when I'm not tired.

This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Jul 28, 2009 - 2:58 PM

[Mstoochn]

got the speedo. Price and convenience was a playing factor in choosing the beams. I saved on shipping because it was a local sale. Beams setup allows me to use the exisitng axle and tranny where as the 3sgte i would have to get a stronger tranny and axle. I like the red top look. The beams gives enough power for now.

3s-gte bolts onto s54 tranny and axle just fine, just dont push the boost s54 holds up well!

[Spider77]

You going to part out your 5s? You know, just wondering....

[2bcelica]

You going to part out your 5s? You know, just wondering....

I would rather sell the engine and trans complete - cause I don't want to bother taking things apart if I don't need to. But let me know what you need and I might help ya out. I hope to get rid of it all for $325 if some one can come pick it up. But it'll have to wait until I'm done with the swap because I might need bolts or nuts off of it.

[Spider77]

Got a M/T right? 325 is a good price, cheaper than salvage yards.

[2bcelica]

Got a M/T right? 325 is a good price, cheaper than salvage yards.

I hope its a good price - cause who ever ends up with it is simply helping me get rid of it as I don't need more stuff lying around the garage or yard.



Tomorrow I start on getting the Beams in -- should be fun. The heat was killing me today though.

[Rusty]

are you going to paint the engine bay while your engine is out? just wondering...

[njccmd2002]

how many miles on that engine, and does it work?

[2bcelica]

are you going to paint the engine bay while your engine is out? just wondering...

No - I don't think I have time to do that. Just getting rid of dirt and grime that build up over the years. I wish though.

how many miles on that engine, and does it work?

I don't remember how many miles because I replaced the speedo a while back, but I think when I got the car it had like 112k and I probably put 50k on it myself. I would recommend replacing the engine gaskets and ur usual maintenance parts, clutch was slipping. I had a code relating to a sensor - something about insufficient air flow -- I don't remember at the moment, but I'll check my records.

[whatthe]

This build is awesome!

[Rusty]

No - I don't think I have time to do that. Just getting rid of dirt and grime that build up over the years. I wish though.

oh yea thats still good, I recommend autosol & jif cream (dont know if you have that over there) but its really good will get rid of all the oil, grime and stuff.

keep those updated pics coming

[BonzaiCelica]

wow i just say a 3sge beams in a crashed mr2 today rusty. all i got to say is wow!! that thing sounds awesome. makes me want to get it even more know

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jul 30, 2009 - 9:07 PM

[2bcelica]

all the engine bay work is pretty much done - been doing the extension on some of the wires today (I had first thought about having Dr Tweak do the harness, but I figured I might as well do it on my own and learn cause it didn't look that hard. . Tried fitting the exhaust today and I over looked something when I purchased the exhaust -the catalytic converter - . Is it needed for those who have a custom exhaust or can I just measure and weld on a pipe in place of it? I imagine that it might sound louder without it.

. I guess if I work on it the whole day tomorrow I might get it running, but I have to spend time with my fiance and her family tomorrow

This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Jul 30, 2009 - 9:39 PM

[njccmd2002]

do you have the wiring diagrams?

[2bcelica]

do you have the wiring diagrams?

yep. got the info from mr2.com beams section of the forums

[2bcelica]

its alive -- got it started - all sensors seems to be woking -- haven't driven it yet still because missing the catalytic converter - boy is it loud with out it.

video

using my camera phone for video, so not the greatest sound quality



when i come back home and have some time - i'll take it toget dyno -

[Rusty]

awesome man! great to see it up and running.

[BonzaiCelica]

very nice indeed, lets see some dyno numbers and acceleration tests plz !!

[SwissFerdi]

Holy crap, that sounds like a beast! Is that due to some modification of yours or is that the true sound from the factory?

[Outsider]

Congrats man...
nice sound...... very familiar though.

[2bcelica]

Congrats man...
nice sound...... very familiar though.

Thanks and the credit goes to you for your tips and your past post on the swap that helped me complete it.. Thanks Outsider.
It doesn't have the catalytic converter thats why it sounds louder then it should be. More pics and updates to come when I get a chance to work on it again.

[JoKeRkId613]

nice trd steering wheel

[2bcelica]

Got the catalytic converter this morning - One step closer to being done.

[2bcelica]

Took it for a test drive today. Its not idling very steady, so gotta find out what thats all about. Other then that it handles very nicely. I definitely feel the difference between the 5SFE and the beams. 1st gear is very responsive as well as 2nd. Seems like once it hit 3500k rpm the power kicks in and really takes off. It was very fun to drive. Seems like I have to get use to shifting again - not sure if thats because the new clutch and tranny responds better then my old one.

Over all I'm very pleased. If the beams feels this great I can't imagne how the 3sgte would feel. I'm in love with the 6GC all over again. The new exhaust sounds very good though I gotta say that I may have to turn on the music louder then usual to compensate for the extra noise.

Next on the list:
After market Intake
Wheel spacers
TRD strut bar
Reupholster the interior


I can now say that I am a proud owner of a 3SGE Beams -

[SwissFerdi]

Congratulations!

[BonzaiCelica]

awesome 2bCelica!!!

glad to see your happy with the beams!!!

[2bcelica]

well i ordered the TRD quickshifter from shoptrd.com today for a total of $130 - in the mean time i had some free time to instal the clear lenses that a bought a while back ago but never got around to installing them. Looks pretty nice. I like em.

Next week will be taking the celica in to get the windshield replace becaue the crack is getting bigger - I'll also tint the windows from too --





The upper unit in the interior pictures is a Aopen Mini PC - which I love- has 320 gig of hard drive space for movies and music
That kenwood DVD player is awesome except that I was a bit disappointed because it lack bass, so I guess I'll be adding a subwoofer later.

[Rusty]

nice, you also have some nice little goodies (clear high stop lamp, the black I'm not usually a fan, but in your case looks real good, TRD sterring wheel, guage cluster looks nice aswell )


can you give us a video of the unsteady idle. might need a good set of sparkplugs (did you change them over when you swapped the engine over?)

[2bcelica]

nice, you also have some nice little goodies (clear high stop lamp, the black I'm not usually a fan, but in your case looks real good, TRD sterring wheel, guage cluster looks nice aswell )


can you give us a video of the unsteady idle. might need a good set of sparkplugs (did you change them over when you swapped the engine over?)

I'll post a video when i get a chance - The plugs that was in the engine were still in good condition although the gap was a little much, so I regapped it, which didn't help the idling issue. I'll try a new set for the heck of it to see if it makes any difference.

[BonzaiCelica]

very nice interior! nice trd steering wheel, and i like that custom metal plate you made for the dash, your celica is so AWESOME!. how did that conversion of the km/h to mph gauge work. care to explain how you did that??

[2bcelica]

very nice interior! nice trd steering wheel, and i like that custom metal plate you made for the dash, your celica is so AWESOME!. how did that conversion of the km/h to mph gauge work. care to explain how you did that??

I kept the original middle gauge - just swapped over the other two from the beams tach

[BonzaiCelica]

ya i see that but how did you get it to convert from km/h to mph. did you buy some sort of converter?? Becuase if you seen malpaso new gt-four he has his original km/h gauge but has it converted to read mph..

[njccmd2002]

i think the question is if the speed sensor on the tranny should interpret kms, and will be sending km units to your mph speedo. Therefore adding more miles than it actually is. unless the speedo is the one that interprets the actual distance.

that was something that i was thinking off. have you actually noticed if the speedo is running and adding numbers appropiately?

[2bcelica]

It seems to be reading right, but can't say for sure - I guess I can use my GPS to confirm -. I think the tranny speed sensor interprets RPM - and the speedo convert that into MPH - (correct me if i'm wrong, but thats my guess.) I'm not using any sort of converter. using the original ST204 electrical housing along with the original middle piece. I remember reading on the mr2.com forum beam section that the same question was ask relating to how you convert to MPH and one of the guys who's done the conversion simply said just use your old one - so I never second thought about that since it works. I guess I could use the beams center piece and read it in KM/H, but the original one was easier to understand.

I'll take it for a spin in a bit with my gps to confirm how acurate it is.

----

Ok just took it for a spin with GPS - it is accurate - cruised around at about 20 MPH and GPS read it as so, tried 30MPH then 50MPH and it was accurate - didn't go any higher since didn't want to do more than that in a residential area.

This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Aug 21, 2009 - 4:25 PM

[SwissFerdi]

After seeing more pics, I LOVE your car...clean, OEM interior with a few upgrades, but nothing major. Spoilerless and clean, and I like the black license bezel as well. Very well done.

[njccmd2002]

cool, that resolves the speedo issue..

[Batman722]

just to clear up some things, the speedo (in the cluster) interpets the signal given by the speed sensor on the tranny.
If you have a uk cluster, it will read in kph, and that's where some guys use a "converter/delimitmer" to change the signal on the cluster to read in mph and use an mph dial.

Noberto, on a side note, I've noticed you've been asking a few questions on some other forums lately...I have all the answers your looking for

[lagos]

Cool swap and a nice looking car dude!

[MrAyasli]

This looks sexy !
I don't understand. Is this better than the ordinary engines?

[2bcelica]

This looks sexy !
I don't understand. Is this better than the ordinary engines?

This link in the stickies should help answer your question and alot more.

Feaseable and Non Feaseable swaps

[2bcelica]

I mentioned in the past few replies that I'm having some idling issues. I had a chance to take video clips of the problem at hand. I've taken the throttle body out twice to clean it as much as I can. There is not a idle control valve for the Beams that is found on the 5SFE (I wonder if I could just swap over the 5SFE one -where the throttle sensor is for the Beams). I have adjusted the throttle cable to have it idle at about 1100RPM because if i set it lower then tha it starts to seem like it will choke and die, which it did sometimes if I didn't give it gas.

After running around the block for a while with AC on - when i come to a stop in Neutral it would stay at 1k rpm most of the time, but if I turn off the AC in neutral it would jump to 2k rpm and after a few seconds drop back down.

This video clip of the rpm going up and down is when I came to a stop in neutral.



I'm wondering if the AFM (air flow meter) on the air intake might be the problem.

Here is a clip of the gauge cluster throttle response while driving. Sorry for bad quality - I had a hard time videoing and driving at the same time, while watching out for cars.




Here is a clip of the JDM retracting mirrors I had a chance to wire up yesterday. A definite JDM must have.


This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Aug 23, 2009 - 10:34 AM

[Outsider]

I gave my AFM a very good cleaning before I installed it. When I first start my car, it idles at around 1100-1200rpm. It will stay there until the engine is warmed up. It then drops to around 800-900rpm.

[whatthe]

The steering wheel is so dope

[SwissFerdi]

That engine sounds fantastic.

[delusionz]

the engine revving up to 2k and down to 1k is the ecu resetting, it takes a few drives for it to come back to normal

[BonzaiCelica]

wow very nice 2bcelica! nice job on the swap, you've got everything running just perfectly. I rpm needle will drop back to normal idle, from what outsider was saying. I see the mph gauge seems to be working just fine.


Ok and for the speedometer. From what i understood from you and Presure 2. Of course i have to use the original SS-III beams cluster gauge. i swap out the the mph gauge and then i use original at200 electrical housing along with original middle piece. what does original middle piece mean? I guess thats something ill have to learn as time goes on from classes im taking at college for toyota electrical body and toyo ecu???

So malpaso had to use a converter becuase he was using his original km/h gauge with the same electrical housing right!!!


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Aug 24, 2009 - 12:04 AM

[MrAyasli]

Wow those mirrors are crazy.

and nice interior!

[2bcelica]

wow very nice 2bcelica! nice job on the swap, you've got everything running just perfectly. I rpm needle will drop back to normal idle, from what outsider was saying. I see the mph gauge seems to be working just fine.


Ok and for the speedometer. From what i understood from you and Presure 2. Of course i have to use the original SS-III beams cluster gauge. i swap out the the mph gauge and then i use original at200 electrical housing along with original middle piece. what does original middle piece mean? I guess thats something ill have to learn as time goes on from classes im taking at college for toyota electrical body and toyo ecu???

So malpaso had to use a converter becuase he was using his original km/h gauge with the same electrical housing right!!!

This is from my testing experience. I had the entire beams gauges - and thought i could just unplugg the old one and put the beams housing in - but that didn't work. RPM - and speed gauge didn't respond (uses different electrical signal on the pin outs i think). So I took out the beams RPM gauge out of its housing and put it in the ST204 housing. I kept the original Speed Gauge that is in the st204 housing. So which means I am using the original ST204 housing with its original center piece (the speed gauge, MPH).

I'm not sure how malpaso setup is, but I would assume that he wanted to use the middle speed gauge that belonged to the Beams or ST205 - so indeed he would need the converter.

This post has been edited by 2bcelica: Aug 24, 2009 - 8:21 AM

[2bcelica]

I gave my AFM a very good cleaning before I installed it. When I first start my car, it idles at around 1100-1200rpm. It will stay there until the engine is warmed up. It then drops to around 800-900rpm.

I didn't even clean or check the AFM, which I should of. I'll look into it when I come back home for the weekend. Thanks -

[Rusty]

hmm that is quite rough. check your TB wires etc incase something isn't set up right. after you clean it? yeah it could be your AFM (check for wires and air leaks) or your TPS.

I recommend a diangostic, save you the hassle.

This post has been edited by Rusty: Aug 25, 2009 - 1:42 AM