Green Bullet ST205 Re-Born, MODIFICATIONS, AND UPDATES! Options

[bsamps4]

Hello All! I'm excited to announce that I too will be joining the small percentage of 3sgte swapped Celica's. I purchased my 3sgte engine clip yesterday "Friday", and will receive it this coming Wednesday. I'll start my swap the last week of January due to accrued vacation that I've earned at work. In my short time on 6gc I've spent my time reading up on similar swaps so that I could learn as much as possible. I don't think i'll be able to be up in running in two days like some of the gear-heads on this site, but I certainly hope that I have the privilege to post, and work with some of the masterminds that make this site so great.

The Car:

94 Celica GT. Currently with 224,000 miles on it. The 5s still runs like a top, but I originally purchased this car to complete a 3sgte swap. I was given the privilege of driving a JDM 3rd Gen Celica RC (right hand drive...the whole 9), and I've been in love since then.

I've owned two integra's. One GS-R, and the other a GS. I learned to love Honda, but have come to realize that Toyota is WAY better. I love my car and can't wait to get started.

I'll start updates and pics as soon as I get my clip.

Please feel free...I value your feedback, and understand that I know a fraction of the information that some of the great minds on this site know!

4VS0y

This post has been edited by bsamps4: Apr 17, 2016 - 2:21 PM

[DEATH]

Awesome bro - welcome to the dark side!!!
Did you get a 2nd gen RC or a 3rd gen WRC? I'm confused by what you wrote.
Expect gremlins but have the balls to work through them and it'll all be sooooo worth it! If you need any advice - please feel free to hit me up anytime.
Post tons of pics and updates

This post has been edited by DEATH: Jan 8, 2011 - 11:28 PM

[Smaay]

awesome, post lots of pictures and updates

[bsamps4]

hahahaha....No car project goes without the necessary GREMLINS....Murphy's law is a b****. I'm sure i'll be asking tons of questions, but I really appreciate all of the early support. If there is anything I can do for any of you guys please feel free to ask. I'm sure I'll have lots of parts for sale!!!

[bsamps4]

Ooops...forgot to add. It's a 3rd gen RC

[DEATH]

therre is no 3rd gen RC
it's either 2nd gen RC or 3rd gen WRC

[bsamps4]

Haha wow shows how much I know. Should be a wrc. Anyone wanna help explain all of the differences? All I know is that this engine is a 94+, has a top mount water-cooler, ct20b turbo, and single-runner plenum.

[presure2]

the search function and stickys are your friend.
there are quite a few threads that explain the diffrences between the 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen motors, and the normal 2nd and 3rd gen and rc/wrc versions.

[bsamps4]

Research complete. Def a 3rd gen. Not a wrc.

[DEATH]

Research complete. Def a 3rd gen. Not a wrc.

GOOD JOB!!!!
It's so refreshing to see someone take that advice and actually run with it and report back - keep that up and your swap will, literally, go far! [Pun intended]

[bsamps4]

Now I'm beginning to get nervous....the company shipping my half-cut are having issues with getting the item to me on time. They quoted me a very low price for shipping, which I've already paid, but are now giving me the run around on shipping costs....

Then it also occurred to me....I have a viper alarm with remote start.....and i'm wondering how this is going to impact my swap....

I HATE being nervous.

[bsamps4]

Part No: Pump GSS-341 & Set Up Kit 400-760
Fits: 91-95 MR2

Description:

Walbro Fuel Pumps are direct replacements and all wiring is a plug in. They flow 255L/HR which is much larger then your stock. The pump is good for up to 400whp.


This is the Walbro pump that i'm going to purchase to use for my swap since the one for the 5s will be insufficient. Anyone see any problems with this part number?

I've also planned on using my stock hood for the time being, and simply using spacers to lift the hood in the back to fit the water to air exchanger.

I've been reading several different threads on the wiring required for the set up....clutch switch, IC Relay, Fuel Pump Relay, and wire extensions. To be honest....this freaks me out. Electrical work is one area where I lack confidence. I learn by doing on-hand work and being shown in person, but all the pictures I've seen so far have led me to more confusion. I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Presure2....your write up on the wiring was wonderful...if you don't mind, I'll likely have a lot of questions for you in the future. I hope this doesn't lead to any kind of headache for you.

With that all said...I just received word from the company shipping my clip, and the item will be shipped today! I ended up having to pay an extra 161 dollars for shipping, which kind of pissed me off, but having the motor, and getting started is very important to me.

Cheers!

[DEATH]

Presure2....your write up on the wiring was wonderful...if you don't mind, I'll likely have a lot of questions for you in the future. I hope this doesn't lead to any kind of headache for you.

Pretty sure he's used to it - we all are. You've got the right idea to be courteous - the best way to do that is to search ten times before you ask one question
I'm available to you as a resource also - anything you need to know LMK.

[bsamps4]

I really appreciate the support. You can't find that on many forums, which is why I decided to go with this forum. I'm just glad that after successfully completing this swap I too will become a valuable resource for people in my current position.

[bsamps4]

The soon to be patient....

[Ted95]

sweert deal bro, good luck with the swap!

[Euphoria]

Looks sweet! You should keep it looking fairly stock and sleeperish and maybe put some clear lights and JDM tails in later.

[bsamps4]

Thought I'd do a little something different since I haven't really noticed this on this site.....just a brief history of the evolution of my hobby....feel free to post pics of your early car projects on this thread. It's nice to see what kind of progression those of us have taken to become the people that we are today! (Car Freaks)

I'll try to explain some of it....

The owner of the white integra is a friend of mine....I painted the front half of his car
The black integra is mine...I have very few pictures of it, but the skunk2 intake manifold and the dc header are pictures of small projects on this car
the white silvia is a car that I worked very briefly on, but thought it was sexy, so i'll put it on here.
the red 240 was a car that i removed the engine from...i wanted to create a ka24det, but i was young and couldn't handle the responsibility...the silvia headlights were something that i purchased for that car that never came to be
The latest picture of me is me inside of the engine bay of my current car as i was bolting on the pressure plate (clutch install)

[Stambo]

Bounced around quite a bit from manufacturers i see. Its cool to see people who are interested in all cars and not just certain car makers.

Good luck with the swap there are plenty of people to ask questions if needed!

[bsamps4]

Haha...very true....one common theme though. They are all Japanese.

[bsamps4]

Clip arrives today. Will post pics. Stay tuned.

[bsamps4]

Got it, and here it is!. Already found several pieces that need replacing...ugh.....gotta do it right...








Literally pushed the effing thing down a U-haul ramp. That S*&t was scary!

[bsamps4]

a few pics of the damaged parts i need now, a shot of the dash, and a cut wiring harness that i have no clue what these wires go to.

[presure2]

the last pic is body harness...you dont need that to swap.

but the heat exchager for the intercooler looks wasted.

[bsamps4]

The heat exchanger was in good order in the pictures that caused me tp purchase the item. Disputing with that company now.

[bsamps4]

Would anyone happen to have a decent heat exchanger laying around???

[presure2]

you can use a mustang cobra heat exchanger, they are available on ebay all the time, and fit the opening on the celica bumper well.

[bsamps4]

wait...really?? I just looked. They are very inexpensive! Will the water lines line up? Or is this a custom installation through and through?

[bsamps4]

presure, what kind of oil cooler would you recommend, since mine is badly damaged?

[presure2]

wait...really?? I just looked. They are very inexpensive! Will the water lines line up? Or is this a custom installation through and through?

the water lines will not line up, but not a big deal, 3/4" ID hose works just fine, and of course you would need to fab up mounting brackets.


which oil cooler are you talking about? the engine oil cooler that is attached to the block?

or the tranny oil cooler thats shown in the pics, or the power steering cooler thats also in your pics?

[bsamps4]

Turns out I got lucky I have wrc I have number 3451

[Keiri]

Turns out I got lucky I have wrc I have number 3451

Congrats! Would you mind a Fayetteville member coming over to stare at this beauty...and help with the elbow grease?

[bsamps4]

*UPDATE*

Been really busy at work, but I have been able to put in some time to begin removing items for the swap. It was during the removal that I discovered that then engine that was shipped to me is in fact a WRC engine. The pics below show the progress I've made in removing the cars peripheral systems, but also the anti-lag system. I pulled the spark plugs as well to inspect for any internal damage. Cylinder 3 plug (Which I know has known issues because of the cooling channels) had oil on the threads, but the electrode itself looked fine. The other plugs looked fine. I'll go to Toyota on Tuesday, and get a new valve cover gasket.

[Stambo]

is that a anti lag system?

[bsamps4]

yea

[chacha]

turn it on

[bsamps4]

Hahaha....wish I could...i think i'll just hold onto it for decoration

[mkernz22]

you gotta use that anti lag system when you get it man! not much of them around, it's almost a luxury to have it so you should definitely use it

[3WayStunna]

Lol, ditch that ABS yo...you dont need it

[ST205WRC]

yeah its an anti-lag system that doesnt work. its not worth the time or money to make it work, because it requires a standalone system. not to mention the hell it puts the turbo through. the time and money can be made more useful in other places.

good luck with it progress looks great. you'll love that 3gen. much easier to work with from what ive seen so far.

[bsamps4]

I had considered getting the ant-lag to work, but did a lot of reading into it....i can't afford to blow turbo's on a weekly basis haha. I'll likely replace the turbo in the future. This one has a tiny bit of shaft play. Pisses me off that there is no rebuild kit for it because I would prefer for it to run like new.

[Smaay]

there are shops that can rebuild your turbo, but for the cost, it might be cheaper to do a replacement or CT27. call ATS and see what they can do with the CT20b. you might get lucky. i do believe that turbonetics can also rebuild the turbo and actually upgrade it at the same time.

[bsamps4]

ats diesel?

[bsamps4]

Small update....
Half the wiring harness has been removed, and the ecu has been unmounted. Dash is nearly ready to come out. carpet has been removed.

The list for tonight:
Disconnect power steering
Disconnect a/c
Disconnect throttle cable
Remove dash
Remove downpipe
Remove turbo
Remove turbo manifold

Btw...if you see anything I'm not using, then it's for sale. Make me an offer.

[presure2]

why are you pulling the dash?

[bsamps4]

Once ive removed all the parts I need I'll cut the frame up for disposal. Didnt know if anyone would be interested in the dash or the other parts im not using.

[bsamps4]

Alright
Small Update

I didn't get as much done as I had hoped to last night. I'll post pics later.

I was only able to drain the transmission, remove transmission cooler lines, detach brake booster and several other vacuum lines, pull the ecu, pull harness through firewall, and attempt to remove the passenger side axle.

Any advice on how to remove these damn axles?? They are really in there, or i'm going about this the complete wrong way. Also having trouble removing the downpipe. I can't get to the last bolt holding the heat shield to the downpipe, and after messing around trying to remove the alternator so I could get to it; I decided to call it a night.

Aside from that I should be on schedule to remove the engine from the frame today

[ST205WRC]

when you say passenger side are you refering to the left side or the right side? when i pulled my right side axel (driver side cuz im in japan) it came right out with a little bit of leverage and a good pry spot. it gets agravating that Super Strut suspension is very different to mess with.

[bsamps4]

Yes. Japanese passenger side

[bsamps4]

I'll keep working on it. There aren't any retaining clips on the axles are there? Im not worried about the side with the mid shaft because that should come loose as soon as i unbolt it. but the axle on the japanese passenger side is really in there. There are two grooves on either side of the axle that i've been sticking my pry bar in to break it loose because it is too tight for me to get my pry bar between the transmission and the back of the axle. when i put my pry bar between the tranny and back of axle it looks like its just damaging the back of the axle.

[presure2]

both front axles use snap rings to hold them in at the end of the splines.

[bsamps4]

Got the motor out today!

backside of the huge plug we had to disconnect. it was a pain in the ass.

relays and fuses on the front right relax box that we completely tore down

what that area looks like without fuses mwahaha

just pics while working on it

disconnecting charcoal canister

engine mounts disconnected. motor, trans, exhaust, and subframe are being supported by a jack underneath the mid crossmember

motor sagging out of the bottom.

engine harness backed away from the side rail. i put it on top of the motor.

success


the disaster.


ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THOSE THREE WIRES THAT HAVE BEEN RIPPED FROM THEIR HARNESS GO TO??? I CAN'T FIND THE HARNESS ANYWHERE!!!

[3WayStunna]

That looks like the Engine/ECu ground....usually connects to the back of the manifold...never seen the actual amount of wires, but i do know that the only "wire(s) that have that type of sheilding around it onthe back side of the engine, is the engine/ecu ground...

anywho, care to chime im with pics of a "still together" one?

Btw if it is the ground the it terminates into a normal ol' connector end that can be bolted down...there wouldnt be any bit more to it than that O- type connector..lol, sorry but my terminology is all messedup today..

This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Jan 19, 2011 - 2:34 AM

[presure2]

That looks like the Engine/ECu ground....usually connects to the back of the manifold...never seen the actual amount of wires, but i do know that the only "wire(s) that have that type of sheilding around it onthe back side of the engine, is the engine/ecu ground...

anywho, care to chime im with pics of a "still together" one?

Btw if it is the ground the it terminates into a normal ol' connector end that can be bolted down...there wouldnt be any bit more to it than that O- type connector..lol, sorry but my terminology is all messedup today..

nope, thats not the ecu ground, that goes thru the middle of the intake manifold.

looks to me like the map sensor wiring by its location.

::edit::
looking back thru your pics, i see the map sensor attached to the firewall, up till your starting to drop the motor down, then its gone.
did you remove it as you were dropping the motor?
definetly looks like it got pulled out of the back of the plug, possibly while dropping the motor out?

[bsamps4]

Oh god I hope not. Im certain we disconnected it from the fire wall before dropping the motor. I'm at work now so im going to be antsy all day until I can go home and find what has happened to it.

[presure2]

i think its either that (my first guess)
or the IAC valve plug.
both are 3 wire sensors.

::EDIT::
i can almost garantee its the map sensor wiring.

the wire colors are the same as the map sensor wiring.

brown=ground
red = 5v
grey/w black = signal

also, i can see the map sensor attached to the intake manifold by the vac line on the top passanger side of the intake, but the plug is not attached.

[bsamps4]

Should this be any cause for alarm? Should be a fairly easy fix....right?

[presure2]

Should this be any cause for alarm? Should be a fairly easy fix....right?

yup, you should be able to cut and splice in the connector from your stock harness without issue, no biggie.

[bsamps4]

That's good news. Thanks for your input.

[bsamps4]

Small Update:

Got the downpipe/remaining exhaust off. Had to push the oil cooler aside just to fit a breaker bar down in there. Needless to say the entire task was full of gremlins, and a complete pain in the a$$.

Upper timing cover, alternator, a/c, and all the associated brackets have been removed.

At the bottom of the catalytic converter there is a plug that bolts in to a bung. This plug has an electrical connector that clips into a harness around where the a/c sits. Any clue what this is, and if there is any need in keeping it?

Also desided that i'm going to get the berk downpipe. I never want to deal with that crap again.

oh, and ps.....timing belt, cam seals, and tensioner look great.

[ST205WRC]

that plug is an EGT sensor i believe, but im not positive so hopefully someone else will chime in on that.

[presure2]

its a temp sensor for the cat. you can leave it unplugged, it wont throw a code for it.

[bsamps4]

Just a few pics to coincide with my last update...

[bsamps4]

Are there any pics/videos of things anyone would like ,e to cover to make my experiences here more like a how-to?

[purplegt4]

I would still change the timing belt / tensioner / pulleys. Presure2's car had ~34k & mine had ~55k and they both crapped out (they were both '95 I believe). Do it while the motor's out. I'm still waiting on a tensioner from tcbparts.co.uk because lithia toyota didn't have any in stock (mr2 guys grabbed 'em up)

[3WayStunna]

yea deffo do the timing belt and NEW tensior while the engine is out...i tried to do it once with it in the car, and never again...lol, now i have it worked out where i change out my timing belt whenever i do a clutch job !!!!

[bsamps4]

Does anyone here know where I could find the repair manual for my model engine? I'm considering rebuilding the whole damn thing. I don't know how many miles are on the engine because the shop i bought it from sold the gauges before I bought it, and none of them could "remember". Its guaranteed under 60k, but I like facts...not guarantees. The motor itself is very clean inside and out so I'm willing to believe that promise, but with a rebuild I'll know for sure.

[bsamps4]

*UPDATE*

Well I got several things done today. I started tearing into the wiring on the st205 frame so that I could teach myself where/what the wires that are involved in the conversion to the 5s need to go. I learned a lot! When I'm done I'll try to make a really detailed how-to on the wiring. I also removed the transmission from the engine. Doesn't seem like much, but both are equally time consuming.








Can anyone tell me what sensor this is in the last pic? It was hanging right under where the radiator used to go.

[presure2]

its a temp sensor for the JDM climate control

[bsamps4]

*UPDATE*

Can anyone say long block????

[enderswift]

i cant wait to do what you are doing.

good luck with the rebuild and hopefully you wont have to machine anything and get oversize parts.

[nammer]

Does anyone here know where I could find the repair manual for my model engine? I'm considering rebuilding the whole damn thing. I don't know how many miles are on the engine because the shop i bought it from sold the gauges before I bought it, and none of them could "remember". Its guaranteed under 60k, but I like facts...not guarantees. The motor itself is very clean inside and out so I'm willing to believe that promise, but with a rebuild I'll know for sure.

PM me your email...I'll send you the pdf repair manual for the 3SGTE and a few wiring diagrams and pinouts that may be useful

[3WayStunna]

Not to threadjack and hopefully not off-post, but im surprised this website dosent have the repair manuals up in a sticky or something....Would be great if someone could host them on this site...i cant because im at a work computer and i dont have access to a computer than would provide the means to do it

[bsamps4]

I'm not sure it's possible to post the pdf in a thread, but I'm not entirely sure....I was able to find them online, and other members on here...thank you nammer!, are able to post them.

[bsamps4]

Another update....I'm sure you guys are tired of this! Trust me...I'll slow down once I'm having to save for all the stuff that I'm going to need!

We tore down the engine today, about the only thing left in it are the pistons, crank, and rods. The head has been removed for machining/reworking. The crank will be removed for polishing and balancing, the rods will be left alone, and the pistons will be replaced with 86.5 Wiseco's. Head is going to have a multi-angle valve job done, new engle springs, ats cam gears, and arp hardware.

The head gasket, combustion chambers, and bottom end are all in beautiful condition.

Can't Wait!

Ingenious way to remove a crank pulley (That bolt was reeeelly tight)



Here are a few pics of the bottom end. It was spotless.

[nammer]

I'm not sure it's possible to post the pdf in a thread, but I'm not entirely sure....I was able to find them online, and other members on here...thank you nammer!, are able to post them.

no problem..hope it somewhat helps!

[bsamps4]

Here is the big question. Would anyone happen to have a vacuum diagram of a wrc motor? It all looks like spaghetti to me.

[bsamps4]

Disassembled the rest of the block today. Everything came out clean and looks great. Wish I knew the miles....must have been very low.

[enderswift]

oil squirters. I didn't know the 3s came with those... do they all have em or just the wrc's?

[bccentaur3]

All 3sgte came with oil squirters.

[bsamps4]

Gary just came by for a bit, and picked up the st205 transmission from me. He was great to talk to, and seemed very knowledgeable. Him and I had a discussion about the anti-lag system, and he may have convinced me just to sell the turbo manifold w/ antilag and the valve accompanying it. Still not 100% sure what I'll do. Any advice?

[presure2]

Gary just came by for a bit, and picked up the st205 transmission from me. He was great to talk to, and seemed very knowledgeable. Him and I had a discussion about the anti-lag system, and he may have convinced me just to sell the turbo manifold w/ antilag and the valve accompanying it. Still not 100% sure what I'll do. Any advice?

the member Gary? with the '93 alltrac?
if so, he is a great guy.

anyway, yea, nothing you can really do with the antilag (unless you wanna replace turbos every few runs..lol) so if you can sell it and recoup some $$ spent, why not?

[bsamps4]

Yup, it sure was Gary with the 93 alltrac. He told me that he once got to sit in your car when the 5sfte was still in it. I don't know about anyone else on this site, but I would have been so excited if I got that chance. Good advice. I'll put the manifold up for sale.

[presure2]

Yup, it sure was Gary with the 93 alltrac. He told me that he once got to sit in your car when the 5sfte was still in it. I don't know about anyone else on this site, but I would have been so excited if I got that chance. Good advice. I'll put the manifold up for sale.

yea, gary got to see the early version of it.
he's a very cool guy with one of the cleanest alltracs i've eeeevvverr seen.

[bsamps4]

Alright...I talked with ATS a few days ago about my light build plans. ATS recommended the use of their cam gears, gss 268 in and ex cams, engle valve springs, phenolic intake manifold spacer gasket, and a multi-angle valve job on the stock valves.

For the bottom end: wiseco 86.5, acl bearings, ATS oil pump, rotating assembly balance, polished/balanced stock crank, and stock rods

My goal is 300 hp, and i'd like to maintain daily driveability with the stock ecu. Thoughts? Have i left anything out?

Forgot to mention...i'll be using all ARP hardware, and the ATS 1.2mm headgasket.

This post has been edited by bsamps4: Jan 30, 2011 - 2:29 PM

[presure2]

for a 300whp goal the complete build is overkill, but hey, it sets the platform for you to make lots more power reliably down the road.

did you specify to them that your using a 3rd gen motor? never seen them mention the intake manifold spacer for a 3rd gen.

you'll give a little up on the bottom end with the cams, but make nice gains in the higher RPMS, and will really wake the motor up, up top, especially as you upgrade down the road.

sounds like you have a solid plan for a well built longblock.

[bsamps4]

Anybody here ever heard of frozenboost.com? I was considering trying out one of their water to air heat exchangers. Really good price on these, and they are larger than the stock set up. Thoughts or recommendations?

[Gary]

That was me Manny. How are thing up there? And thanks for the kind words.
Ben,
This is the video of the stock pump I was talking about. No need to upgrade it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnDSVg1nVP0

[3WayStunna]

frozenboost/silicone intakes is a good company to work with. Good prices, and very good shipping. All items shipped toan overseas location took aroudnn 6-7 days tops, which is great in my books...

I purchased one of the smaller WTA heat exchangers from them, and it was a good build.Larger than stock, yet slightly shorter.... although the drain switch could be swapped out for something else, everything else with it was great. My intercooler has never been cooler!

Only problem i had was mounting. Had to get creative with that..2 bolts and 2 zipties worked wonders for me...might try something more permanent inthe future though..






This post has been edited by 3WayStunna: Jan 31, 2011 - 6:42 AM

[bsamps4]

Looks great! I think I will go that route.

Gary, that pump is insane. You could fill a fish tank with that thing!

[Stambo]

looks good!

silicone intakes is a great company!

[bsamps4]

Not quite sure which one is more exciting...lol

[bsamps4]

Got the Koyo rad today, and went ahead and put it in since my old radiator was thrashed. I'll post pics up tomorrow. Too dark to see it right now.

[bsamps4]

I was cruising around on ebay and found this. If anybody is looking for a WRC motor here it is. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-TOYOTA-...s#ht_2987wt_939

[presure2]

why anyone would buy a setup from ebay, when we have a super reliable source here on the site, who actually owns celicas, and knows exactly what is needed and what isnt, is beyond me.

[bsamps4]

Grrrrrrr...I wish I had heard of JIM before I pulled the trigger. I will def be going to him in the future for all of my parts needs.

[bsamps4]

Pic of the Koyorad. I've got it installed on the 5s. I still need to get new pusher fans so that I can fit the 3s without melting the stock plastic fan shrouds. I'd take a picture of it installed, but the 5s needs a good cleaning first due to coolant all over the engine bay.

[presure2]

Pic of the Koyorad. I've got it installed on the 5s. I still need to get new pusher fans so that I can fit the 3s without melting the stock plastic fan shrouds. I'd take a picture of it installed, but the 5s needs a good cleaning first due to coolant all over the engine bay.

you can just trim the shroud a bit to clear the compressor housing, it wont melt.
art (lagos) and others have the same type of rads with no issues, once you trim the shroud.

[bsamps4]

Got a few things today

ARP Rod Bolts

Rear Main Seal

Distributor Seal

ATS Racing Thermostat 170 degree

Timing Belt

Spark Plug Seal

Valve Cover Seal

Camshaft Seals

More to come. There are so many gaskets I still need to buy.

[bsamps4]

Cleaned up the heat cover yesterday. This is how it turned out. Going to paint it today after I wash it.