teaser: 4 liters of fun more pics and progress, on my last post Options

[pxcr440]

so new project , not much gunna happen for a awhile , as i have to fix a few things on my offroad truck and tidy up some thing on omy daily driver before sled pullin season , but had to pull my 3sgte out and couldnt resist getting an idea of what i am working with on this build so i leave you with one pic










the donor 200 bucks


This post has been edited by pxcr440: Feb 11, 2013 - 4:00 AM

[mandrek]

OMG!!!

[cheela]

[kurt95gt]

Must see moar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pxcr440]

well dont have much more for pics , but as it sits now current things i have is
94 1UZFE
supra donor car for driveline , rear subframe and trans ,
custom cast belhousing and 8 puck clutch setup ,
still to order is MS3 extra and choose what pair of turbos i wanna run prob some t3's havent decided on size yet

[CAcelica29]

that is exciting!

[Batman722]

If you pull this off you would be my hero.

[pxcr440]

just have to give me some time , i only have 3 bays in my shop and ones filled by a 66 chevelle that my father is waiting on too ,and the other 2 have trucks coming in this week but , it will happen , not even concerned lol

[Tigawoods]

[94celicadude]

Can't wait to see more man! Glad I could help you out with getting the 3s out

[ricochet1490]

I believe this is in the stickies about under engine swaps that are impossible......




Mods please update to swaps that ARE possible. That is totally insane.

Your front spring rates have got to be stiffer to accept that thing I figure right?! Please release details as you go.

[HectortheRican]

THIS is what 6gc has been missing lately! Pure, unadulterated, balls-to-the-wall innovation! I'll be waiting desperately for a start-up video!

[pxcr440]

the spring rates will most likely remain the same , its an all aluminum v8 , and only ways about 50 pounds more then the 3sgte and trans that came out ,i will handle that later on ,

[manphibian]

Epic build is Epic

[smkr3w]

I'm joining in... ZOMG!!



That is all.

[malpaso]

unbelievable... how is possible you found room for it???

[czwalga]

unbelievable... how is possible you found room for it???

The engine bay is huge, it's larger than my rx7 and I fit a 6.1 liter v8, with a front mount turbo in it. There should be no problems fitting it. The one problem he's going to run into is the steering rack location.

If he's using a Rwd transmission he's without a doubt going to have to move the rack and get into some serious bump steer correction. If you move the rack too far and have to correct it a lot, it'll probably drive like poopoo, very 'soft'. Will be interesting to see how he does it, getting the engine in there is the easy part.



What transmission do you plan on using?

This post has been edited by czwalga: Mar 20, 2012 - 7:19 AM

[pxcr440]

correct steering is the issue the motor is in there on my engine stand means there is no subrame , which also means i can move it back a few more inches, the steering is really my one and only concern, the engine bay is huge lots of room the supra subframe would be to narrow in the mounts and would loose space , and also have to run rear sump and would also cause issues with steering shaft even getting to the supra loacation , gunna lookin into either a tubular subframe of sorts with parts of stock subframe , pretty much just the control arm and tube out all center ,,, i am going to look into the possibility to swap knuckes side toside and check steering angles , as this would put the steering arm on the front and move the rack down and forward under the pan by my measurment , not looking for a track car just something fun for the street , i have thought and planned for mosto of this for the last 6 months ,
supra rear subframe and diff with w58 trans , think it will be fine in a lighter car like this ifnot i will change it

[95CelicaST]

This thread is relevant to my interests.

[Box]

So this is what dreams are made of. Good luck to you! Look forward to it being done.

[SupraKid]

Wow A++, cant wait for vids.. Which supra did you get the drivetrain out of? Because idk if id trust a mk3 w58 with the instatorque of the 1uz.

[pxcr440]

Wow A++, cant wait for vids.. Which supra did you get the drivetrain out of? Because idk if id trust a mk3 w58 with the instatorque of the 1uz.

i have a mk3 supra mainly for the subframe , i got the car for 200 so even if the trans isnt up to the task its ok cause my main concern is getting the car up and running and fix what doesnt survive later i have my doubts on it also but the r154 is bigger and cost a bit more i am sure i will endup there eventually

[SupraKid]

Yea I guess that works. The mk3 w58s seem to start to start whining (called the whine-58s) with anything over 300hp. Also the NA rear end isnt the strongest. Regardless I'm glad someone in the Celica community is finally doing something different.


Are you planning to convert to dual wishbone suspension all around?

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Mar 23, 2012 - 1:45 PM

[pxcr440]

i have looked into it for sake of steering but by my measurements so far the cradle would have to be spread bout 4 inches or so and that would increase track width beyond the fenders , the upper a arms mounts sit outside the rails so spreading is the only way it get it to sit flush or drop the cradle bout 3 inches to make it claer and the the install wouldnt be near as clean , i also have the option to switch toa newer w58 which i know they have had better luck with , plus its in a lighter car then say the supra or ls400s and sc's people are swaping into normally with this motor

[SupraKid]

Yea I remember comparing the mk3 suspension to the celicas dimensions a while back and coming to the conclusion it just wasnt worth it. I suppose with a w58 and smallish tires you wont have traction anyway, so the w58 should survive. How are you going about the shifter hole location?

[pxcr440]

the shifter location is still a mystery to me as i havenet got everything bolted together and measured up , and i moved the car out of my shop to my house so its on hold while i finish my other truck up

[Ted95]

[RabidTRD]

I can't believe that's possible. I can't wait to see the end result of this. All that's going through my mind is, "drift drift drift drift."

[SupraKid]

I'm in to see if this is possible... When I measured for the 7mgte-r154 tranny combo the shifter hole came up in the center console, so I would imagine the 1uz-w58 would be around the coin holder....

[ricochet1490]

I'm in to see if this is possible... When I measured for the 7mgte-r154 tranny combo the shifter hole came up in the center console, so I would imagine the 1uz-w58 would be around the coin holder....

coin holder = acceptable.

[SupraKid]

Not to mention the interior will look like a racecar because of the huge tranny tunnel..

[malpaso]

The engine bay is huge, it's larger than my rx7 and I fit a 6.1 liter v8, with a front mount turbo in it. There should be no problems fitting it. The one problem he's going to run into is the steering rack location.

If he's using a Rwd transmission he's without a doubt going to have to move the rack and get into some serious bump steer correction. If you move the rack too far and have to correct it a lot, it'll probably drive like poopoo, very 'soft'. Will be interesting to see how he does it, getting the engine in there is the easy part.
...

I got the point. Thanks for explanation!

[Box]

I can't believe that's possible. I can't wait to see the end result of this. All that's going through my mind is, "drift drift drift drift."

Anything is possible with enough money, resources, and know how. I've seen lots of cars modded in ways you'd think impossible.

[pxcr440]

I can't believe that's possible. I can't wait to see the end result of this. All that's going through my mind is, "drift drift drift drift."

Anything is possible with enough money, resources, and know how. I've seen lots of cars modded in ways you'd think impossible.

you know i have never really liked that way of looking at things, money for something like this is only part of this a real picture, if you were having a shop do it, then yes its gunna be super pricey , now if you have the resources and know how that takes the money out of it for the most part , yes there is still the exspences but no where near the same way , these motors are cheap i payed 400 for this motor and there all over the place , i just hate when people throw out the its gunna cost to much or tens of thousands of dollars to do it , ( not saying that you were , more supportive then anything) just sharing a thought about how i feel about that statement ,

now just for fun how bout you guys throw outs somme prices for a build like this , what your thinking for relative cost , i have my goal for cost but not sharing ,lets hear yours

[pxcr440]

I'm in to see if this is possible... When I measured for the 7mgte-r154 tranny combo the shifter hole came up in the center console, so I would imagine the 1uz-w58 would be around the coin holder....

part of the reason going v8 and w58 were for these reason , the 1uz being a v8 can is a bit shorter depth ways so allows for more forward back movement when placing along with the tunnel being smaller for the w58 is and smaller trans then the r154 , i will plan for a fairly stock and functional interior no race car look ,lol

[RabidTRD]

...our cars have coin holders? 0.0

[richee3]

^^ Oh yeah. Check under your arm rest, right behind the ash tray. They're not suitable for much more than a few quarters but they're there.

I'm anxiously anticipating a startup video. Just the sound of a V8 coming from a Celica... Awesome.

[Box]

I can't believe that's possible. I can't wait to see the end result of this. All that's going through my mind is, "drift drift drift drift."

Anything is possible with enough money, resources, and know how. I've seen lots of cars modded in ways you'd think impossible.

you know i have never really liked that way of looking at things, money for something like this is only part of this a real picture, if you were having a shop do it, then yes its gunna be super pricey , now if you have the resources and know how that takes the money out of it for the most part , yes there is still the exspences but no where near the same way , these motors are cheap i payed 400 for this motor and there all over the place , i just hate when people throw out the its gunna cost to much or tens of thousands of dollars to do it , ( not saying that you were , more supportive then anything) just sharing a thought about how i feel about that statement ,

now just for fun how bout you guys throw outs somme prices for a build like this , what your thinking for relative cost , i have my goal for cost but not sharing ,lets hear yours

Yes of course, enough know how just need the money for parts. I live in Alabama, home of redneck ingenuity. I understand perfectly. Best of luck to you too, RWD V8 6GC FTW! (enough acronyms, no?)

[ricochet1490]

...our cars have coin holders? 0.0

It's funny, because i was thinking "ashtray" because that is EXACTLY where I put all my change. So suprakid, if you didn't mean ashtray and actually meant the coin holder in the arm rest, my apologies.

On a side note, we can calculate cost and all that jazz....

But depending on what you do to the motor.... aka, rebuild it, or just run it. I think you could get out of it for around maybe 9400.... But that is me assuming, motor, drive train, mounts, some interior mods, new tires, wheels, etc to match up with the mk3 rear end. And that is you doing all the work by yourself and factoring things in like sheet metal, consumables for welding, steering rack modifications.

if you don't do all the fab work yourself it could be much worse... And that's really bare bones ....

Where do you think you are going to be on cost?

[SupraKid]

No I meant coin holder...however i was keeping the OEM clutch fan and an oversized radiator with my 7m measurements...so the the UZ and electric fans it may be closer to the cigarette/receipt/random**** tray.


Also pxcr you are not going to cut and weld in the mk3 supra tranny tunnel? The w58 isnt much smaller than the r154 for the mk3s as it doesnt have the shifter extension on the back of it.

This post has been edited by SupraKid: Mar 28, 2012 - 6:39 PM

[pxcr440]

i will be making all my own sheet metal i did some measuring on both cars tonight and its 27-28 inches from bellhousing to shifter from what i can tell laying under the car , and from stock shifter hole to firewall wal on celica is about 28 so they should be fairly close i dont plan to cut the firewall other then for the bellhousing , a 1uz is basically a box 27x27x27 in stock form and thing the 7m's are round 32 or so long i think

[pxcr440]

[/quote]
Yes of course, enough know how just need the money for parts. I live in Alabama, home of redneck ingenuity. I understand perfectly. Best of luck to you too, RWD V8 6GC FTW! (enough acronyms, no?)
[/quote]
dont forget TT

[pitcelica]

Someone has done it in a ST185 :

http://lextreme.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1140&page=21

Search posts from a guy named JustenGT8.

http://www.westkyimports.com/forums/showth...elica-GT8/page2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjp7-cgwjts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQh4swLSeo...feature=related

Google "celica GT8" for more pics.

Good luck with the swap!

Sam

[pxcr440]

Yep heard of that one awhile ago He did it back on 2005 i think or atleast started i have been through most of his stuff on lextreme and i vist there alot since those guys tend to deal with the 1uz alot and alot of nice projects

[essexgt4]

Although as impressive as it is that guy with the gt8 seriously needs to do something about the lack of grip or increase his drivers skill as it does appears he has ruined the handling of an st185.

[pxcr440]

well like i said it would be awhile before i did much but i got started tonight , so heres some pics of the donor car teardown




new 1uz bell housing on acid washed trans


i will keep yah updated as i go along it will be slow as i have other toys to work on too

[dliverance]

You have my attention. I want to see how the rear subframe comes together

[pxcr440]

You have my attention. I want to see how the rear subframe comes together

the rear subframe may create some issues but for the price its a great option over a gt4 subframe

[pipes]

If you want/need a rear gt4 subframe.. Ihave one...great work looking at this makes me miss my car... Great work!

[Anoroc]

[pxcr440]

If you want/need a rear gt4 subframe.. Ihave one...great work looking at this makes me miss my car... Great work!

I would have gone with the gt4 subframe and suspension but. Cost of those isnt cheap most i see are around a grand and strengh wise i would think the supra one would be stronger , also the actual parts available for the supra stuff. Makes it worth it to i have 200 in the donor car so price is right to me since i have to fabricate mounts anyways and the supra subframe is same width as rails on celica. ,,,atleast on the rear mounts

[bccentaur3]

I'm curious as to know how much you will need to cut the firewall to clear the bell housing. Could u post pictures if possible? Do you think u will run into any issues with the hvac unit? Iirc where you will need to cut would be where the heater core is. I haven't seen a celica without the dash in a long time. Just trying to get an idea because I have been wanting to do the similar build for a while.

[pxcr440]

from what i have mesured and looked at you can go atleast 4 or 5 inches up on that area in the middle before yah run and then its the lower outputs for the floor heat/air which if ihave to ditch those thats fine but i do wanna keep heat and ac so i willprob have to keep the moto out a bit to clear heater hose input/outputs
which is fine cause theres lots of room in the bay

[bccentaur3]

Thanks for the reply. How much room could one gain by using the w58/55 transmission instead? Or is the bell housing the same size as the r154? I'd like to avoid moving the engine forward because of weight distribution. Any plans on the brake set-up on the build?

I'll be keeping a close eye on this thread, so I can get a good idea on wheel offsets with the wider track on the narrower celica body.

[pxcr440]

the w58 is what i am using,, but the bellhousing itself would be the same since its for a 1uz

[bccentaur3]

Can u post pics of the tranny in the tunnel?

[pxcr440]

i will be posting pics as i go of everything my celica is still in my garage but will be moving to the shop soon

[Ted95]

completely off topic.. but, looks like you work on alot of land judging by the equipment, farm looks nicee!

what class do you pull the truck in?

[pxcr440]

completely off topic.. but, looks like you work on alot of land judging by the equipment, farm looks nicee!

what class do you pull the truck in?

we farm bout 1500 acres and my truck is still a street truck but in the 6-700 horse range , 03 cummins built motor with twins and 100hp injectors , lot of the pulls around her have dropped down to 2.6 class or there just a street stock and then modified which makes ya run with the big boys so i really just tow my offroad truck (95 s10 on 44s with 383 stroker and 14 '' travel coilovers and 4 link ) all this done by me , soi jsut pull at the local brush pulls to try and beat the local guys

[Ted95]

completely off topic.. but, looks like you work on alot of land judging by the equipment, farm looks nicee!

what class do you pull the truck in?

we farm bout 1500 acres and my truck is still a street truck but in the 6-700 horse range , 03 cummins built motor with twins and 100hp injectors , lot of the pulls around her have dropped down to 2.6 class or there just a street stock and then modified which makes ya run with the big boys so i really just tow my offroad truck (95 s10 on 44s with 383 stroker and 14 '' travel coilovers and 4 link ) all this done by me , soi jsut pull at the local brush pulls to try and beat the local guys

damnn bro id love to see the farm, thats alot of land. my uncles and I pull tractors, farm stock (john deeres) and super stock (oliver), my uncle has a oliver 88 with a 310 thats been worked to aaround 400+ci with custom intake and exhaust manifold we made sitting on 30s, things mean for my area. could probably pull a divison 3 or 4 class out west.

theres a decent amount of truck pulls in my area, but more or less tractors.. goodluck with the truck man! and more importantly the celi build

This post has been edited by Ted95: Jun 7, 2012 - 5:10 PM

[pxcr440]

justa tiny update to let yah know the projected hasnt died just waiting on subframe bushing so everything is good before i mount it, other then that just got one of my turbos and rotors for the rear , so it will get serious very soon

[Box]

Yay, look forward to it coming together!

[cjh4l22]

If you pull this off you would be my hero.

x2!!

[SupraKid]

*chirp chirp*

[pxcr440]

been busy with motor swap for a guy and working on my daily driver been pulling alot and running at the track with it , 13.6 1/4 mile and 557 horse 1018 tq so far , 7600 lbs tho , i wanna work on these more then anything but keep getting caught up in other stuff

[SupraKid]

Good ole diesels

[njccmd2002]

[pxcr440]

pics of what? diesel stuff or my celica / cause it hasnt happened yet its just starting lol ,i do have time slips and dyno sheets tho

[Ted95]

pics of what? diesel stuff or my celica / cause it hasnt happened yet its just starting lol ,i do have time slips and dyno sheets tho

diesel! i would like to see lol

[pxcr440]

http://youtu.be/ElO9PU098oM here the truck currently and las dyno did 593hp this time after a few changes , motor was all built by me from top to bottom

This post has been edited by pxcr440: Sep 16, 2012 - 8:32 PM

[malpaso]

Diesel parts? My ST-T had turbine from diesel... who cares. It worked pretty fine

[ricochet1490]

Steering rack steering rack steering rack.
Figure anything out yet?

Steering rack steering rack steering rack.
Figure anything out yet?

[Manos]

Subscribed!

[pxcr440]

wow its been so long since i planned this but its coming back in the shop this weekend and should have the rear end in and getting motor mocked up in the next few weeks here i will be sure to get plenty of pics of how things go , sorry for the delay guys got alot of things going on shooting for the 800hp range with my truck working on a 66 chevelle restoration and just finnished up a 6ft sand blasting cabinet , so stay tuned and bare with me

[smkr3w]

wow its been so long since i planned this but its coming back in the shop this weekend and should have the rear end in and getting motor mocked up in the next few weeks here i will be sure to get plenty of pics of how things go

[pxcr440]

ok so i post more pics if needed , just ask but heres a few of the current progress m things may look a bit ruff but more about making things fit and clean it up later , the supra subframe is not an easy fit. I had to raise the rear floor about 4 inches and cut out and make new rails , also with it being A arms style on the uppers they need extra clearance for uptravel . but what i have came up with so far it flat lowers and everything tucked up level with lowest floor section. so anyways



this is just the ruff rear mounts , will have braces running up from bottom and still have to do the front mounts along with it getting full length tube subframe connectors and there is alot of bracing and cage work to come , weights not my big concern , as not gunnabe able to shove that big of tire under there so littlw weight might help

[SwissFerdi]

I can't believe nobody has congratulated you on that last post, nicely done sir! Please continue.

[Syaoran]

Wait so you just jammed a supra rear end on there? O_O Nice.

[pxcr440]

I can't believe nobody has congratulated you on that last post, nicely done sir! Please continue.

thanks , i kinda wondered about that , i know its been super slow but i have like 6 projectsc going at once along with it being planting season now my be delay now is gotta find a newer w58 with a tripod remote shifter since i got a trans hole cute but gunna need the longer trans from a na 93-98 supra

[SwissFerdi]

thanks , i kinda wondered about that

Most people start thinking about what you posted in the pictures and then say "EFF THAT LOL." Awesome that you're going through with it, good luck.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Apr 29, 2013 - 3:06 PM

[Lexa666]

wow!
Great project)

[kurt95gt]

Can't wait to see this all mocked up an setting on the ground
Are you getting this all mocked up to still set at stock celi ride height or lower??

[travisxcore]

People with farms always have the most fun

Looks amazing though. You finish this, and maybe I'll think about getting a junk celica and shoving a diesel in it.

This post has been edited by travisxcore: Apr 30, 2013 - 12:30 PM

[pxcr440]

its set up for lowered , at ride height it will have flat control arms , the rear shocks are bilsteins with coil sleeves and eibach springs and its on its own weight down in the barn till i find a trans, but off road truck is priority right now redoing my 383 with new aluminum heads and freshed up bottom end , i will finish the swap mid summer

[Ted95]

looks great man keep it up!

[pxcr440]

got myself a trans from a mk4 so just gotta get my 383 back in my truck and go wheeling memorial weekend , then celica will be back
in the shop

[mkernz22]

so, uh, any progress on this?

[pxcr440]

its still going , but on hold for my pulling truck and planting season , but what i can tell you its on its own weight , a ride height , with a 4.0 1uzfe , 95 supra w58 with tripod shifter and a mkIII supra rear end , all bolted in , and shifter coming out in stock location and still will have heat and ac , wil get her knocked out this summer

[JoshuaM]

its still going , but on hold for my pulling truck and planting season , but what i can tell you its on its own weight , a ride height , with a 4.0 1uzfe , 95 supra w58 with tripod shifter and a mkIII supra rear end , all bolted in , and shifter coming out in stock location and still will have heat and ac , wil get her knocked out this summer

Awesome news 'shal be epic!