Twisted's st205 swap Options

[TwistedCeli94]

Well i did it!! finally purchased my st205 front clip ( off ebay) . Clips located in Orlando and im In NC. Bout 10 hour road trip to go pick it up. Not bad, drove to Tallahassee to pick up my 2nd celica (Rosy) from Ian; a member of this site, so this trip shouldn't suck too bad. As soon as i figure out how to post pictures ill do just that. but those of you who cant wait, i think its still on ebay for some reason; its the silver st205 with the projectors. those of you who dont believe me i definitley bought it ( call them up if you dont believe me).

I was actually wondering why it was on ebay for so long. Seemed like a pretty fair deal to me and after a month went by i couldnt take it anymore! lol.

This is definitley not going to be a super fast swap. After seeing Bens swap, not in person, yet; i want to do the swap right. Not gonna take a year either but hopefully no more than 6 months. Ill try and post pics as well as other members from this site have done, hopefully some people will lend a hand because I am no mechanic lol. Have most of the tools needed, and my dad knows what he's doing and Ben offered his assistance also so this should really all be happening very shortly.

Still in shock to be honest, For 6 years i've owned celicas ( 94 gt, 95 4age 20v) and never had the guts to embark on the 3s journey; but taking the plunge and actually ordering the front clip, i gotta tell ya, it feels phenemenol lol. I just hope the front clip i bought on ebay was worth it, ( i value your opinions)

I guess thats it for now, ill feel much better once its in my posession. Tried to leave tonight but not sure if my moms 2000 ford windstar can make it.

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This post has been edited by TwistedCeli94: Jul 13, 2012 - 11:28 AM

[Lil-Joe101]

NNNIIICCCEEEEE bro

[rave2n]

Its a journey! Enjoy it!

Sweet deal, didn't have to deal with shipping.

[TwistedCeli94]

thanks guys. Could someone tell me how to post pictures? I know i saw a post talking about it but cant find it for the life of me.

[Box]

Can upload onto here and then post the links or use the insert image button in add reply.

This post has been edited by Box: Jul 11, 2012 - 9:06 PM

[celica74]

Didnt think youd order it this fast. great to hear. give me a call and i can help out after work and on sundays.

[TwistedCeli94]

thanks box. Thanks Celica! Really siked at all the help people are offering; because im definitley gnna need it. Ill let you know when its here in nc, then i can get started!

[rave2n]

For us old skool cats that don't like those fancy buttons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBCode

[TwistedCeli94]

thanks rave. Well still trying to figure out how to actually get the clip to me. My problem is, i dont have a reliable vehicle to tow a trailer but By chance my dad is going to be in tampa for a week; leaving this saturday and just so happens to be looking for a truck to buy. I spent the better part of today convincing him to just go head and get a truck sense he's been looking for a month now. Tomorrow he's going to look at one and hopefully buy it. I think he's more inclined to buy one now that he will be able to make use of it by picking up this clip for me. How freaking sweet would that be. If not, gotta wait till sometime next week (prlly friday) to find a suv/ truck to make the haul. Pretty stupid on my part for purchasing something i wasnt 100 percent on how to actually get it lol. Dont get me wrong, sh*ts going down; just really eager to get this already!

[celica74]

over night fedex! in the mean time. what are you doing tonight? i say celica frenzy downtown

[TwistedCeli94]

dang i gotta start checkin this thing more often...should do that sometime definitley....Shipping's 1300 ! couldn't imagin overnight..Hopefully leavin thursday night, renting a uhaul down there and haulin it back. Dad didnt get his truck yet tha bastad. He's like an hour away from orlando right now too.

[bsamps4]

awesome set up man. can't wait to help you put that thing in!

[celica74]

i guess this means i gotta get crackin on my project, cant have 2 3s's in the area and not have something to show for myself

[rave2n]

Woah if you got that whole front cut, sweet mother of pearl!

[TwistedCeli94]

yeaa buddy! Should be leaving tomorrow night to florida if everything goes as planned! Ill take better pics as soon as i get there. In the mean time, what do you guys think should be my first plan of action..water pump and timing? Putting it in an st so still need, tranny, mounts, wiring done. Thank god for the help of yous guys.

[celica74]

stop posting until you have the clip. getting me all wound up for nothing! ha im kidding. well what do you wanna do with it? do you wanna just drop it it? rebuild and build it? if it was me, id do what ben did. get the motor torn down, rebuild it knowing everything going in is brand new and better then stock, also i believe most of bens power cam from the radius cut on the valves. granted the FMIC probly did a number too. id most certainly pull the head, check the crank and bearings and what not so you dont have to deal with it later. id have to call you an idiot if you didnt replace the wp and timing belt, so much easier with it out of the car. just make sure and take your time.

[TwistedCeli94]

ok last post till i have it! Man i am not as mechanically inclined as a lot of people on here. I wasn't planning on building the engine but seeing Bens car on youtube has got me thinking. Ben did recommend a machine shop to do the whole shabang but what kind of cash am i looking at dropping for that?

[rave2n]

Ben did recommend a machine shop to do the whole shabang but what kind of cash am i looking at dropping for that?

Expect atleast 5k budget, without a complete breakdown of the block.

That is where I am sitting just sourcing parts, tools, and I'm doing it all myself.

[bsamps4]

Mine probably cost around 5k for the machine work and all the rebuild parts I needed. That price doesn't include what I spent on the motor itself. I do have a good hook up with Lithia on parts, and can get the idler bearings for 15 bucks a pop. Just need the belt and the water pump and I'd recommend a new front main seal and cam seals and we will be on our way!

This post has been edited by bsamps4: Jul 17, 2012 - 3:48 PM

[celica74]

twisted, why do you think were here? to help with anything and everything your not sure about. bens already built one, i work on cars for a living, were both 15 min away. what you worrying about?


that 5k also includded(sense ben didnt see the need to explain) rods, pistons, and whatever else he through in the motor. ive driven it a couple times. trust me, its a better feeling then anything a girl could do to you

go big or go home? yes you could get away without upgrading the rods and pistons, some rebuild kits come with custom pistons. but if your looking to go all out power id recommend it, forget what ben said his motor should be able to handle on those internals, something ridiculous like 600hp. please correct me ben.

[bsamps4]

EDIT "500" Horsepower.

[celica74]

EDIT "500" Horsepower.

your up early ben haha. still, a little ridiculous.

[celica74]

almost forgot to mention, today is thursday, you know what that means? cruise tonight. ben has come with me a couple of times. alot of fun once we actually get organized. twisted you should come. and ben i better see you there. ill let you know the meeting spot.

[TwistedCeli94]

Finally! Thanks to some help from my friends and family i am back from Florida with some ting speeecial. My dads gonna kill me when he gets home to find half of a car in his driveway but ehhh, that'll give me more reason to get this done. First i think i gotta get this thing out so i can move it in my garage ( although it does look good in the driveway ...Then water pump, timing, seals. etc. Still Gotta find a transmission, get a clutch kit, axles, wiring sent off. Whew seems like a big list i know im forgetting some things. Should say F it and build it, especially because of the help I am lucky to have in my area. If i can figure out a close estimate of what it would really cost who knowwws.

This post has been edited by TwistedCeli94: Jul 20, 2012 - 10:14 PM

[TwistedCeli94]

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[celica74]

bobby i hope you dont mind me posting some pics of what went on today.




me and ben went to help him out start tearing her apart. got some good progress for an hour and a half.

[TwistedCeli94]

Absolutely not! Thanks for the help today guys. glad somebody posted some pics cuz my dumbass forgot!

[rave2n]

Glad you got it up there pretty hassle free! Looks good!

I want that relay box that is sitting on the rad!

[celica74]

Absolutely not! Thanks for the help today guys. glad somebody posted some pics cuz my dumbass forgot!

Thats what were here for

[bsamps4]

Got lots left to do on that thing. Looking forward to having that motor out!

[Box]

Has the projectors, nice!

[TwistedCeli94]

Worked a Little more on it today before work..fenders and radiator are off...carpets out; goin to take out the dash next. If Anyone needs any kind of parts let me know and I'll see if I can let them go or not.

[celica74]

way to go bobby. still labeling everything and putting nuts and bolts in bags right? glad to see you workin on it.

[KAOS]

aaaaaaand subscribed.

Nice work so far.

[TwistedCeli94]

You betcha alex...ready to get this no interest credit card and then the fun is gnna really begin lol

[Smaay]

The Tc wheels look good on there

[bsamps4]

Im ready to build and blueprint that mofo!

[TwistedCeli94]

me tooo!!! got to get it out first! next sunday!

[al94st]

Haha, get your practice in Ben, I might need a hand with my next project . Hurry up and get that thing on the road guys..more NC 3sgte's

[bsamps4]

You gettin' a 3s A.j.?

[celica74]

You gettin' a 3s A.j.?

knowing aj, im guessing hes thinking about something a little more tasteful then just any 3s.

bobby hope your enjoying your vacation, because when you get back were hitting this project at full speed.

[TwistedCeli94]

Thanks hilton head is goin great! Sunday sound good? Ill see what i can do about an engine lift

[bsamps4]

I have a leveler and an engine stand.

[TwistedCeli94]

sweet..sunday good for you ben?

[celica74]

double the leveler.

[TwistedCeli94]

niice!

[bsamps4]

I'm down to get brown!

[TwistedCeli94]

me too! ready to order some parts!

[celica74]

forget the 3s. put a Wartsila-Sulzer RTA-96C in the celi!


wait, you would be able to put a celica in one of those

[TwistedCeli94]

nyerk nyerk nyerk

[bsamps4]

Its d-day time to tear that sumbish out!

[celica74]

Pain. So tired. Bout to kill over. Glad its done. Bobby post those pics

[TwistedCeli94]

Had a great time today thanks to Ben, Alex and Sam. Got a lot done and learned a ton! Just posting pics right now and will have a list of what we did tomorrow along with more pics. Thanks again to Jenny for the Pizza lol and the Guys. Truly lucky to have great friends. Gonna have a lot of parts for sale so let me know what you need and if i dont need it for the swap Im trying to sell. Not many pictures now but engines on the stand so im happy! Will post more pics later.


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[bsamps4]

Im sore as hell but i cant wait to tear into that beast!

[rave2n]

Man you guys work quick...

+1 for local helpful members!

This post has been edited by rave2n: Aug 6, 2012 - 7:38 AM

[celica74]

cant wait to pull the head and see what pistons are in it. next sunday well have this puppy stripped and ready for the machine shop.

[Box]

Awesome, coming along nicely!

[SwissFerdi]

Man you guys work quick...

+1 for local helpful members!

I can x2 this.

[pez222]

Subscribed! Although I get the updates from Bobby himself. It is my old car after all. Good luck with the project. Rosie will be faster than ever.

[bsamps4]

I'm looking forward to the parts build and getting this thing back from the machine shop so I can start the blueprint!

[celica74]

I'm looking forward to the parts build and getting this thing back from the machine shop so I can start the blueprint!

i think well let you handle that. my inputs are "bigger pistons","beefier rods", "bigger cams", basically the whole "MORE POWAAAA" things.

[bsamps4]

Few more pics from Bobby's swap. No particular order here because there are so many, but enjoy. It's amazing what you can get done in a day without an engine hoist!

[TwistedCeli94]

thanks for posting the pics! Cant wait to tear it apart!

[celica74]

just gotta think back a couple hundred, maybe a couple thousand years ago. how do you think people back then did motor swaps?!

[Box]

I get the distinct feeling since there was no lift, there was a plethora of cussing. Even with a lift there's bound to be cussing.

[rave2n]

Haha loving the..."man" power over hydraulic lifting platforms!

[celica74]

not as much swearing as youd think. it was a pain with the 4 of us. thankfully bobbys brother and friends helped move the shell and get the motor up on the stand

[al94st]

You guys realize you could have called me....and I have an engine picker.

[bsamps4]

When is your next weekend off??? You're always working dude??????

[al94st]

Haha, sort of. I work M-F. I'm just always on call, but I can handle most things from anywhere, especially if there's wireless access.

[bsamps4]

Should be getting together again this Sunday. You should come down for the tear down!

[celica74]

^ x2

[TwistedCeli94]

missed yet another celica meet. Im disappointed in myself that i have yet to show my face at these meets. I owe it to you guys to be there but in the end, working is going to get the 3s in the car. Not trying to avoid you guys and hope you can understand i cant miss work so i can get this swap done quick. Well im done sucking up to you bastads lol but Should actually have sunday off so lets get this thing torn to pieces so i can start painting the block and get the hard part over. Intercooler should be here in a couple weeks. Major things i still need to do are......

source a E153 Transmission, Axles, clutch kit and Wiring harness converted. Also Ben has extra piping so hopefully i can get the exhaust planned out soon.

Ordering, Bearings, Pistons, Rods and Studs From realstreetperformance.com Within two weeks as well as visiting the machine shop
Full Gasket set, timing and water pump.
Water Meth Injection, Three Pod Guages, Turbo timer, Fuel Pump.
Berk Downpipe
Possibly a nicer radiotor like a KOYO.
Would Love to Dynamat the whole inside but haven't done the research quite yet
Member on here is trading me his Precision Front Mount, including an ebay BOV (but will probably upgrade that) and all the intercooler piping already measured up and ready to go For my Top Mount.

Let me Know what im missing guys. Im tired as hell from a long day at work but felt like rambling lol. Seriously would love to hear you guys chime in and tell me what you think. I know I know i like hearing myself type.

[bsamps4]

Turbo timer= waste of money!

[celica74]

kitchen timer for a car? comeon now. were all smarter then that.

[TwistedCeli94]

Turbo timer= waste of money!

see i didnt know that! right on

kitchen timer for a car? comeon now. were all smarter then that.

so no kitchen timer? fine ill take that back

[celica74]

Turbo timer= waste of money!

see i didnt know that! right on

kitchen timer for a car? comeon now. were all smarter then that.

so no kitchen timer? fine ill take that back

haha, i refer to turbo timers as kitchen timers. something that can be useful but never needed. they are used to allow the engine to run at idle to allow the oil to cool the turbo, thus reducing wear on it. Not needed as long as your not beating the living crap out of it and then just shutting it off. simply driving like a human being for the last mile or so till you park does the trick. though i know when this swap is done that will be the last thing on your mind.

[njccmd2002]

[bsamps4]

Time to rip that bad boy apart!

[Ted95]

you guys are doing workk on this thing atta boy! cant wait to see the motor after the machine shop!

side note.. try taking the hood off next time, it may have been a little eaiser to work with

cars coming along great man, glad to see another new east coast team in the making!

[bsamps4]

Just a couple pics from today's debacle. Got a lot done. Motor completely torn down and ready for machining. All of the accessories out of the clip, and a torn out chassis harness.

[TwistedCeli94]

yeaaaa buddy.

[TwistedCeli94]

Ben and alex made it look too easy. Great guys to have on your side thats for sure. Also finally drove Ben's car. Wasn't What i was expecting...Fast is one thing. But this is scary. Even in 5th gear it pulls like a rocket ship. I CANT WAIT.

[Ted95]

boost is addictinggg! you guys work quick keep it up!

[celica74]

Soon youll be having that feeling everyday. Now the long waiting for parts and machining begins. Hopefully my parts come in soon so we have something to do on sundays. And just a reminder, dont allow me on the mini bike again...

[TwistedCeli94]

haha i told you so alex, guess you had to learn for yourself ....Hopefully your parts come cuz it'll probably be a few weeks for me..

[TwistedCeli94]

Internals just got here
Received my tune up parts last week( full gasket set, timing stuff, etc.)
Machine shop next week and then back to the fun!

[celica74]

About time.... been waiting too long for this

[TwistedCeli94]

Yea I know, hope you guys don't bail on me lol

[celica74]

Yep. Your stuck with that puzzle buddy. Kidding. We told you. In it till its running like it did from the factory.

[TwistedCeli94]

thanks buddy. The machine shop said it wont be long; like a week. So i gotta get started on getting the tranny, and wiring. Hopefully we get the engine put back together in two sundays. So far this is going along tremendously, knock on wood.

[celica74]

Well its been a week and a half. No call yet. Talk to robert? Mention me and ben?

[bsamps4]

We should be able to get the longblock blueprinted and assembled in a day broham brojehowski!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TwistedCeli94]

yup i mentioned both of yous guys...i think he said your block is ready; idk about the other stuff. Super chill dude seems like a good guy. Cant wait, hopefully it'll be ready by this sunday!

[celica74]

If thats the case im calling tomorrow morning and hopefully picking it up during lunch

[TwistedCeli94]

let us know what they say.

[celica74]

Picking up everything today after work. Sunday is a go. Still need to port the head. I shall teach you how to do this bobby

[TwistedCeli94]

ok got my goodies back from the machine shop. Everything looks great. just need to put the rings on the pistons and this puppy shall be ready for assembly!
My goal is to have my engine look half ass clean as Enderswap. Reading his thread has got me super excited.



crank polished and balanced


ARP ftw


don't want anything to get dirty

[celica74]

Soo when do you want us over?

[TwistedCeli94]

How bout tomorrow? lol seriously whenever you guys are ready im ready. I should have everything to put it back together. Soo this sunday?