Toyota's are a pain to work on!, (of course, I guess I'm spoiled by Honda...=]) Options

[tin_foil]

Okay, I just need to vent a little. I REALLY dislike working on Toyota's. I guess I'm spoiled by working on Honda's. Some of you guys will probably want to shoot me for saying that, but anyone who's really worked a lot on both cars knows that Honda's are really, really well designed. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE my Celica, but after working on it's axles, bumper, and timing belt I realized how awesomely Honda has designed their motors so that nearly everythings really accessable. I think Toyota needs to take some lessons on engine engineering... but Honda still needs to take some lessons on exterior design.

[tin_foil]

If people feel differently, that's cool. It was just an opinion to begin with. But I would like to say one thing: I know what I'm talking about when I discuss mechanics. I'm in school for mechanical engineering, then it'll be on to graduate school for automotive engineering. I've owned, worked on, and sold so many cars I've lost count. Just a few of the cars I've worked on over the past few years are: 81 Tercel, 90 CRX, 1996 3000GT, 99 Civic, 94 Celica, 79 Scirocco, 80 Supra, 97 Accord...

I guess I need to be specific as to what annoyed me on the Celica, and what I appreciate about Honda.

- What really got me started was what's with the Celica's balljoint pointing up on the lower control arm? And you can't pull the spidle up cause of the springs. It makes it a pain in the a** to get the stupid thing in and out. Honda's ball joint is ON the spindle, and SO much easier to work with. Not to mention Honda's double wishbone suspension...gota love it

- I don't like that the Celica's rotor isn't bolted (or screwed) down. Not a big deal, but annoying when working on calipers, springs, axles, etc.

- What's with the Celica's cable linkage? Honda's linkage are so much easier to replace, adjust, access, etc.

- Another small thing, but it pissed me off. I almost killed myself when the jacked slipped cause there's no great place to jack up the front. Honda's cross member always has a specific, solid place for a jack.

Anyway, that was about all. Not to mention, right now I'm in love with DOHC VTEC's. I'm sure I'll feel better about the Celi when I get a 3s in there. Not a big deal, and Toyota's are still %200 better than every domestic out there.

(please only respond if you actually know what your talking about )

This post has been edited by tin_foil: Sep 26, 2006 - 11:34 PM

[Kwanza26]

If people feel differently, that's cool. It was just an opinion to begin with. But I would like to say one thing: I know what I'm talking about when I discuss mechanics. I'm in school for mechanical engineering, then it'll be on to graduate school for automotive engineering. I've owned, worked on, and sold so many cars I've lost count. Just a few of the cars I've worked on over the past few years are: 81 Tercel, 90 CRX, 1996 3000GT, 99 Civic, 94 Celica, 79 Scirocco, 80 Supra, 97 Accord...

Your opinion... fair nuff...

I guess I need to be specific as to what annoyed me on the Celica, and what I appreciate about Honda.

- What really got me started was what's with the Celica's balljoint pointing up on the lower control arm? And you can't pull the spidle up cause of the springs. It makes it a pain in the a** to get the stupid thing in and out. Honda's ball joint is ON the spindle, and SO much easier to work with. Not to mention Honda's double wishbone suspension...gota love it

Better suspension... yeah... but much more difficult than MacPhearson struts to work with. If you struggle with ball joints... you just don't have the right tools ehh... Both are about the same.

- I don't like that the Celica's rotor isn't bolted (or screwed) down. Not a big deal, but annoying when working on calipers, springs, axles, etc.

This makes the Toyota rotors MUCH MUCH MUCH easier to remove/replace and such.

- What's with the Celica's cable linkage? Honda's linkage are so much easier to replace, adjust, access, etc.

I don't know what you're reffering to. Shift linkages? If that's the case... the cable linkages are much much much less of a hassle when working with the tranny... unlike Honda's big metal bars...

- Another small thing, but it pissed me off. I almost killed myself when the jacked slipped cause there's no great place to jack up the front. Honda's cross member always has a specific, solid place for a jack.

Toyota celicas have a bigger better front cross member... although not marked as a lifting point... it makes a great lifting moint.

Anyway, that was about all. Not to mention, right now I'm in love with DOHC VTEC's. I'm sure I'll feel better about the Celi when I get a 3s in there. Not a big deal, and Toyota's are still %200 better than every domestic out there.

(please only respond if you actually know what your talking about )

I think I followed that last guidline...

This post has been edited by Kwanza26: Sep 27, 2006 - 1:18 AM