How to get a faster car out of my st. Options

[Apevely]

Ok so i have a 95 st. I just rebuilt the 1.8 5000 miles ago as soon as i bought it. Im 16 and this is my first car and ive been driving for a couple months and am already bored of it. I simply want something faster. I already have brand new rims, c-one body kit and racing fenders and a new paintjob so now im looking to get this thing moving. I havent read much but ive read about the beams engine. So my question. I either want to A.) Build my 1.8 and turbo it. B.) Buy a 2.2, built it, turbo it. C.) Buy a jdm swap beams etc., and possibly turbo it. I just want some suggestions on what i should do. Money is not an issue but i dnt want to spend over 2500. Thanks to anyone that trys to help.

[samir0189]

for any swap you're looking at spending at least 6 grand minimum... from what im told.

do some searching buddy, ALL the probable, possible, and impossible motor swaps for a 6gc have been discussed too many times.

also some great build threads to follow.

edit: anyway, no disrespect but at 16 id be more focused on becoming familiar with the car and becoming a better driver, driving techniques, etc.

This post has been edited by samir0189: Jun 3, 2010 - 8:48 PM

[Apevely]

for any swap you're looking at spending at least 6 grand minimum... from what im told.

do some searching buddy, ALL the probable, possible, and impossible motor swaps for a 6gc have been discussed too many times.

also some great build threads to follow.

edit: anyway, no disrespect but at 16 id be more focused on becoming familiar with the car and becoming a better driver, driving techniques, etc.

Ok maybe im just not understanding but a beams engine is 2500. My dad can do the swap. therefore not being a smartass just simply asking for someone to expalin how its gonna cost another 3500 to put the motor in?

imo being 16 ur just fine at dat power level but u could start by stripping down the car lose some weight dat will help and invest that money into suspension

Ehh i like to go downtown on fridays and saturdays and race and i dnt like losing to monte carlo ss and other v6's lol but i mean the car does surprise me as far as out running civics and a couple integras.

...racing fenders...

Well that's at least 75 hp right there!

Alright, I'm done being a smartass now. Time for the helpful part of my post. Seriously though, $2,500 won't take you as far with a Celica as it would with, say, a Honda. A popular slogan around 6gc is "you gotta pay to play." These cars were never very popular so parts are often hard to find and very costly. As far as your idea of buying/building the 2.2 liter 5S-FE engine, the work would be literally the same as swapping in the 2.0 3S-GE BEAMS engine or better yet, the 3S-GTE engine (from the Celica GT4.) All three swaps into an ST are roughly the same amount of work, but the BEAMS and the 3S-GTE would yield more power for your money. The easiest swap for your car would be a 4A-GE engine. Or there's even the option of just adding a turbo to your 1.8 liter 7A-FE. A few members have done that and although peak numbers weren't earth shattering, they weren't bad either. But please click the link below. It has all kinds of useful information to you. Any questions not covered in the link below, feel free to ask.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29705

Oh, and don't take the "Don't ask stupid questions" posts seriously. They're bound to come later in this thread, but you'll just have to look past them. A basic search will find you almost any answer to any question you have, so there are some people who will snap because you asked a question but there will always be someone turn up and give you a real answer.

And, as always, a thread just isn't a thread without pictures. So post some pictures of your car up! Maybe try to look in the Multimedia section and enter your car in the June Celica of the Month thread.

...racing fenders...

Well that's at least 75 hp right there!

Alright, I'm done being a smartass now. Time for the helpful part of my post. Seriously though, $2,500 won't take you as far with a Celica as it would with, say, a Honda. A popular slogan around 6gc is "you gotta pay to play." These cars were never very popular so parts are often hard to find and very costly. As far as your idea of buying/building the 2.2 liter 5S-FE engine, the work would be literally the same as swapping in the 2.0 3S-GE BEAMS engine or better yet, the 3S-GTE engine (from the Celica GT4.) All three swaps into an ST are roughly the same amount of work, but the BEAMS and the 3S-GTE would yield more power for your money. The easiest swap for your car would be a 4A-GE engine. Or there's even the option of just adding a turbo to your 1.8 liter 7A-FE. A few members have done that and although peak numbers weren't earth shattering, they weren't bad either. But please click the link below. It has all kinds of useful information to you. Any questions not covered in the link below, feel free to ask.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=29705

Oh, and don't take the "Don't ask stupid questions" posts seriously. They're bound to come later in this thread, but you'll just have to look past them. A basic search will find you almost any answer to any question you have, so there are some people who will snap because you asked a question but there will always be someone turn up and give you a real answer.

And, as always, a thread just isn't a thread without pictures. So post some pictures of your car up! Maybe try to look in the Multimedia section and enter your car in the June Celica of the Month thread.

I agree they are a some what rare car which makes harder to get parts for say you need something from a junkyard but i wanted a car that not everyone at my school had. Noone has a 6g celica everyone has neons and civics. But thanks for all the helpful suggestions.

not gonna bash you cuz your young. but I will say, read up. I must've read thru this forum for a few months before getting to know celicas and how they work. If your budget is 2500 then just get basic bolt ons and use it as your daily driver. No need for speed yet.

LOL yes i need speed. i like to race, and im gettin bored. I thought of two things, trade for a civic, integra or something, or do a swap.

[Ted95]

Ok maybe im just not understanding but a beams engine is 2500. My dad can do the swap. therefore not being a smartass just simply asking for someone to expalin how its gonna cost another 3500 to put the motor in?


LOL yes i need speed. i like to race, and im gettin bored. I thought of two things, trade for a civic, integra or something, or do a swap.

ok, doing a swap is all about power goals... now, first ill say this b4 the 6gc advisors do, that street racing isnt tollarated on this site (just a heads up) how ever.. if u so happened to pull up on a stock gsr integra (lets pretend on the track) you would have a pretty closee race with a beams swap bc the beams produces 197hp factory and i believe the gsr is like 210 or so. now chances are , you will lose, but you will beat some other cars liek stock LS's and such.

now you cant turbo the beams bc the compression is to high which u may argue then why can you turbo a gsr? idk thats jsut what ive read and its pointless bc you should just buy a 3rd gen 3sgte. which you can get a reliable 300whp vs 197 crank hp with the beams. if u want to beat alot of cars and have a good mid to low 13sec car, go witht he 3sgte.. that swap in the long run will run you around 5k prob. 3-4k if you do proper reasearch and find GOOD parts for a good price. its all about being paitent. the beams swap wont cost you 6k.. i dont think anyway, since u have a ST and not a GT a 3rd gen swap will prob run you 5k idk..

like i said its power goals, i bought a 3rd gen 3sgte motor back in april and im saving up as im going to buy parts for it so i can finish start and finsih the swap at once.
i was told you can beat sti's and s2000s with a 3sgte, so if thats waht u wanna set ur goal as, idk go with the 3sgte.. _Jim_ sells them, look him up on the site and he will help u out with ur budget. but he wont get you a beams so dont ask him lol.

This post has been edited by Ted95: Jun 4, 2010 - 12:58 PM