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Ive been thinking about it, I see guys on the mr2 boards with spear 3sgte heads for sale once in a while and Im wondering why theres no one here with a high bred engine? Is it harder to do then it seems? I mean for like 500 bucks wouldn't it make a big difference? Or atleast be a good base for a n/a setup which seems to be what alot of you guys are going for.
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May 2, 2004 - 3:31 AM
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neverstop is doing it, i dont see any benefits to it though
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May 2, 2004 - 11:39 AM
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It's not very hard (pretty hard... but not VERY hard)... only because you'll have to do some re-wiring and some re-tuning to get everything right. The hardest parts would be some wire work because you have to change manifolds (both intake and exhaust) and the sensors associated with each (maninly intake). All of the vaccum lines have to be figured out, and all of the signals have to be sorted out. I'm not sure how different the ECU pins are between the 3SG and the 5SFE... so I can't say for sure... but on the 7AFE/4AFE and the 4AGE... they're not that different... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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May 2, 2004 - 1:02 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Feb 10, '03 From Connecticut Currently Offline Reputation: 11 (100%) |
high bred or Hybrid...?
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May 2, 2004 - 1:12 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Sep 25, '03 From cranston RI Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
hes from canada, cut him a break 
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May 2, 2004 - 6:07 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined May 22, '03 From NOVA Currently Offline Reputation: 16 (100%) |
so is it possible to hybrid a 7afe block with a 3sgte head, and go turbo that way?
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May 2, 2004 - 7:14 PM
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Enthusiast Joined May 5, '03 From Toronto Currently Offline Reputation: 3 (100%) |
Lets not group all canadians together. Chatham is in no man's land. |
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May 2, 2004 - 9:02 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Mar 2, '04 From Louisiana, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
No. Just do the 3SGTE swap if you want the head and boost. This post has been edited by S_C_M: May 2, 2004 - 9:03 PM |
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May 2, 2004 - 9:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Apr 14, '03 Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
BADA-BING, no room for expierement just do the swap  Get over the 3s damn it.. there are other alternatives...If we all had the 3s what would seperate us from Hondas??? Not talking power, talking popularity. It would SUCK if we ALL have the same thing....and nail to a cross those who oppose.
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May 2, 2004 - 10:21 PM
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 Enthusiast Joined Nov 4, '02 From Hecho en la Republica Dominicana/Living in NJ Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
i would love to see someone here try it.. yea it might be hard to do.. but so is swaping a 3sgte in to a st204/at200 ... hopefull some one would do it and show us some numbers..
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May 2, 2004 - 10:28 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Dec 27, '03 From Nor Cal Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
No... there will be no point... not to mention a 3SG head won't fit on a 7A block. A 4AG head will... but not the 3SG... Beyond that... the 7A block is still just that... so you won't even be able to boost that much... -------------------- "It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"
1995 AT200 Celica ST: stocked out daily driver... 1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5: silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies... 1991 SW2x MR2 n/a: bare bones hardtop model soon to be... |
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May 2, 2004 - 10:43 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Mar 2, '04 From Louisiana, USA Currently Offline Reputation: 2 (100%) |
It's just not possible to build a 7A/3S hybrid. I'm all for 20v or 4AGZ swaps in STs, and turbo 5SFE projects if someone's going to do that. I'm eventually going to put together my 7AGTE, I'm slowly gathering the parts I need for that foolish idea just because I want something different. It doesn't make sense monetarily or in terms of reliability on boost, but it will be fairly unique. The 3SGTE is just the simplest bet if you have an ST and want a bigger displacement turbo engine. |
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May 3, 2004 - 1:20 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jul 12, '03 From Chatham, Ont Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
HAHA screw you guys!! It was late at night and I wasn't thinking!! Geez I made a post about HYBRID celicas, that should shed some light on my sleep deprived condition 
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May 3, 2004 - 1:38 AM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
those with ST's... watch over club4ag... you'll see a lot of stuff you can do with A series motors..... i don't know why everyone says "3s-gte" right off the bat..... there's a guy building a 7a-gte over there.... and built right, the 7a-gte can be a very fair competitor to the 3s-gte (that is, if you're all about those turbo motors)
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May 3, 2004 - 5:09 PM
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 Moderator Joined Apr 17, '03 From Rockland NY Currently Offline Reputation: 15 (100%) |
I emailed that buy who is building the 7agte. He said that his motor should put out close to 450hp. He also said he spent alot of money building that engine. He spent somewhere near 10 grand for that engine.
but I would love to see some hybrids around here. defgeph --------------------  I will return one day. |
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May 3, 2004 - 7:23 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Jan 22, '04 From bellingham, WA Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
and putting a 450hp lighter 1.8L in a smaller car is crazy..... the 3s already has gotta be so much heavier than that...
and on corolla-racing.com there's a guy (turbo7afe) who owns a shop and has built a few corollas.... the latest is a turbo 7a-fe running 365hp with the FE head... although he's put a lot of money into it.... at least to me, it just makes more sense |
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May 3, 2004 - 7:25 PM
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Moderator Joined Apr 17, '03 From Rockland NY Currently Offline Reputation: 15 (100%) |
nuff said right there ^ defgeph -------------------- I will return one day. |
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May 4, 2004 - 2:55 PM
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Enthusiast Joined Oct 23, '03 From ky Currently Offline Reputation: 0 (0%) |
There are a couple guys on club4ag, that proclaim to have ran 20+psi on a stock bottom end 4agze, and producing over 350 hp. I remember a couple years ago people saying you couldn't make more than 220hp with a 4agze before stronger rods and pistons. If you have a Gt, then a 3sgte makes sense. But if you have a St the 4agze, is just as boost friendly, and cheaper as well.
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