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post Feb 23, 2005 - 2:25 AM
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I did submit this to the how to article section, however because of several ppl asking me for the how to directly i have decided to put it up as a thread and when ever it gets reviewed as a "how to" it gets reviewed.

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GT CAI How To (this also works for the ST celica as well)

Tools and parts:
Metric socket/ratchet set
Screw driver
Hack saw
Dremel
¾ inch hole saw
Permanent marker
90-93 Honda accord CAI system (2 piece 2¾ in. pipe)

The Concept Design:



Step 1: Prep
Take out the stock air-box. This is done by disconnecting it from the throttle body, Unbolting the air box as well as taking out the resignation from the front fender (note; this is where the air filter will go). When taking out the air-box you will have to disconnect a breather tube as well as a temperature sensor. The temp. sensor can simply be puledl/wiggled free from the rubber flange that holds it on. After pulling the temp sensor out remove and save the rubber flange.




Step 2: More prep
Next thing on the list is to take out or rather detach the fuse box from the car. To do this there are three bolts. Two are under the cover, one is in the back and one is on the side. The third bolt holding the fuse box down is in the front and at the bottom. At this point take note of the bottom of the fuse box as it will be attacked by the friendly dremel.


Step 3: Modify “S” pipe
Now with the engine bay free of the stock air-box its time take a look at how the piping from a 90-93 accord CAI system will be used to route a CAI system for our GT’s. There are two pieces of pipe in the accords CAI package. The first piece has an “S” type shape as well as a small pipe for a breather tube. The second piece is shaped more like an “L” and this is the pipe that will be routed through the fender where the filter element will be mounted.






Test mount the S pipe to the throttle body using the supplied couplers. Next take the L pipe and stick the short end down and into the hole that’s in the fender. If you care about scraping the finish make sure you’re careful when navigating the pipe around the fuse box and into the hole as well as placing cloth anywhere needed.

With both pipe soft mounted you will see that the second bend from the throttle body routes the pipe on a tighter angled vector then is needed to mount up to the L pipe properly. Luckily the L pipes length is just perfect and it reaches all the way out to the second bend on the S pipe and ends just exactly where the cut in the second bend needs to be made. Use the permanent marker to mark off where the cut on the second bend of the S pipe needs to be made and take Mr. Hacksaw to it. Clean off the edge as well as any stray derby and or saw dust.








Step 4: Modify “L” pipe
At this point the only piece of pipe that should be cut is the second bend on the S pipe. The L pipe should be untouched, but not for long. After cutting the second bend on the S pipe a coupler should be able to link the S pipe to the L pipe, which should be routed through the hole and down into the front fender area.

With the front left-hand splash guard off the filter element should be able to be mounted on to the shorter end of the L pipe that’s sticking through the hole. You might note that there is more pipe then needed sticking though the hole. Test mount the filter element to see how much of the pipe needs to be taken off. If the pipe is too far into the filter element it probably will lead to airflow restrictions but it will be louder because of this.


If your planing on fitting a bypass valve as i have done a section of pipe is going to have to cut to allow the fittment of the bpv. It is best to make the cut on the L pipe rather then the s pipe.





Step 5: Temperature sensor
With the S pipe soft mounted to the L pipe, now would be a good time to figure out where you want to drill the hole that will mount the temp sensor. Chose a place and make sure that the sensor will reach it. Then use a ¾ inch hole saw to make a hole in the pipe. The hole should be the same size as that on the air box which held the rubber flange for the temp sensor. Slip the flange onto the hole and test fit the temp sensor.





Step 6: Fuse box modification
Now with the pipes cut and mounted you should be able to try to mount the fuse box back in its original location. When doing this you should be able to see what and how much of the fuse box needs to be taken off.

The bottom of the fuse box can be taken off, this exposes the plug. All that needs to be shaved off is some of the sides and bottom of the fuse box as well as some of the plug. This step is best done with a steady hand and a dremel with a “cut off” blade. A slow yet steady approach is a good idea.

If you don’t want to bust out the dremel then the fuse box can be left alone and either secured by zip ties or longer bolts can be used to hold the box in to place via stock mounting points.





Step 7: All done
Now that the pipes are cut, the hole for the temp sensor is made, and the fuse box is modified the pipes should be able to be mounted using the couplers and air filter that it came with. After getting everything back together start the car and enjoy the sound of cold air intake.









Here are a few other member's setups as well













(another method)



(the INJEN SRI)






Notes:
EBay has the cheapest 90-93 accord CAI systems, but make sure it is the two piece type like the one on Pro Car Parts.

Some 90-93 accord CAI piping have two breather tubes rather then just one. From my experience with Pro Car Parts and EBay, the chrome set has two where as the powder coated one only has one.

the use of a bypass valve. It is not needed to work properly however it is something you can ad on to protect against hydrolock. Keep in mind that inorder for hydro lock to take place almost the whole filter element needs to be submergered in to water. This would have to be avery deep puddle. I drove around with no bypass for a long while with no troble. I put it on when it started to rain heavily and because a shop i was checking out had one in stock.

WARNING Must use 2.5 inch pipe if not moding the hole below the fuse box. If you use 2.75" pipe the sides of the hole will rub a cut into the pipe.

If you use 2.75" cut the hole larger.

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post Feb 23, 2005 - 2:35 AM
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post Feb 23, 2005 - 2:40 AM
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*picss doens;t work*

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post Feb 23, 2005 - 3:01 AM
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grrr cant figure out how to get all pix to work so they are in link form. If n e one whats to give it a shot ur welcomed to take a hack at it. Tag ur it.

Coomer these are the pix that i was guna send you. I know ur busy so take ur time no rush. I can still email them to you if its easier. I posted the how to up because there were several ppl asking me about it. Hope i havnt over stept any lines.
post Feb 23, 2005 - 4:24 AM
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post Feb 23, 2005 - 10:59 AM
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What do you do with the breather hose that comes with the intake? Not sure whether to plug it in to the throttle body or valve cover or just to plug it up and not use it.

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post Feb 23, 2005 - 11:03 AM
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Thank you all, this is the first detailed instructions on the GT CAI. This is overdue for years. Thanks urbandork, im gonna go try it.
post Feb 23, 2005 - 12:03 PM
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how is this 20-30 bucks? the bypass valve alone is 30-50, not to mention a real name brand filter is around 40-60


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post Feb 23, 2005 - 12:08 PM
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QUOTE(LewFX @ Feb 23, 2005 - 5:03 PM)
how is this 20-30 bucks? the bypass valve alone is 30-50, not to mention a real name brand filter is around 40-60
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You dont need a name brand filter. just get a good one, as in a good designed one.
I did the same thing but with a 92-95 civic one. I didnt cut extra peaces so it might not look as clean, but i just bought it and threw it in, and which is why i took the route of the fender, then later to figure it out it workes better, or atleast sounds better. Mine looks the same cut as the accord though.

Also I bought mine for $26 shiped, i kinda got lucky though.
post Feb 23, 2005 - 12:18 PM
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not to be rude or anything, but for people who follow pictures more to put the instruction under the pic..still would need a bypass right digndoug?


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post Feb 23, 2005 - 2:05 PM
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confused.gif What is better, diameter 2 1/2" or 2 3/4"? Lots of the ebay kits are 2.5"
post Feb 23, 2005 - 2:50 PM
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In responce.

First off the price of jsut the CAI should be around 20 to 30 bucks because that is aournd the lowest price you can find it on ebay including shipping. The filter is usually included with the CAI system when bought. The bypassvalve is an options that must be outsourced and thus the price is not included in the project build. This also holds ture if the builder wants to use a diffrent airfilter.

Second the hoses that are supplied with the kit because all of the stock hoses, just one at that, can be plugged right back on the CAI piping with out over stretching it. If a color theme is needed then go right ahead and do so.

Thirdly going back to the use of a bypass valve. It is not needed to work properly however it is something you can ad on to protect against hydrolock. Keep in mind that inorder for hydro lock to take place almost the whole filter element needs to be submergered in to water. This would have to be avery deep puddle. I drove around with no bypass for a long while with no troble. I put it on when it started to rain heavily and because a shop i was checking out had one in stock.

opps almost forgot. The pipe diamiter of my kit was 2 3/4 inch. I would not suggest any larger as then the whole that the pipe routes down into the fender by would need to be modified. This means that i would advise the builder to ask how large the pipe is before buying/biding on any items

As for what is better i was told that 2.5 is the best for the 2.2l.

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QUOTE(LewFX @ Feb 23, 2005 - 5:18 PM)
not to be rude or anything, but for people who follow pictures more to put the instruction under the pic..still would need a bypass right digndoug?
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rephrase? If its about the placement of pics i couldnt get them to work so Fietsbel was kind enough to take car of that for me. (big thanks btw)
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QUOTE(Digndoug @ Feb 23, 2005 - 5:08 PM)
QUOTE(LewFX @ Feb 23, 2005 - 5:03 PM)
how is this 20-30 bucks? the bypass valve alone is 30-50, not to mention a real name brand filter is around 40-60
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You dont need a name brand filter. just get a good one, as in a good designed one.
I did the same thing but with a 92-95 civic one. I didnt cut extra peaces so it might not look as clean, but i just bought it and threw it in, and which is why i took the route of the fender, then later to figure it out it workes better, or atleast sounds better. Mine looks the same cut as the accord though.

Also I bought mine for $26 shiped, i kinda got lucky though.
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This is another point which i forgot to add in the how to. Keep in mind im not the only one who has done. I believe Digndoug was one of the ppl i asked when i first looked into CAI when first became a member on this site.

The infomation is out there on this forum. However i figured since i did it under 25 bucks i might as well gather up all the little tid-bits and type up a how to article.

I guess you can all it a thanks to all the members who helped me out at first and have already done a custom CAI system for the GT, because honestly its nothing new.

post Feb 23, 2005 - 9:30 PM
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Some one please make this into a "HOW TO." I really could have used this when I got my car. And I'm sure it'd help out all kinds of newbies.


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Awesome bro here is mine, I made it out of Mandrel Bent Piping, and hand polished it it cost me around 80 to make.

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post Feb 24, 2005 - 12:42 AM
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okay so which version is better!!! and redline, where did you move the black box? can anyone help me modify my short ram injen to make it go cold air??


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QUOTE(LewFX @ Feb 24, 2005 - 5:42 AM)
okay so which version is better!!! and redline, where did you move the black box? can anyone help me modify my short ram injen to make it go cold air??
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that black box is the stock airbox so it needs no relocation rather it just needs to be taken out. However if you were talking about the one to the left of the bat. that would be the cruise contorl i think. Where he relocated that or if he retained it im unsure. If memory servs i think he was able to relocate.

Take a pic of ur injen one and ill let you know about making it a cai. im sure it can be done.

As to which ones better, with out sounding like a big head id have to say the fender route is. for the following reasons.

The stock airbox actually intakes air from the place the filter element in my set up does. If you look at the front of ur bumper (model with no fogs) you will see that on the drivers side there is a small scoop that actually flows air in to the fender area. Putting the filter element here ensures true cold air. This is because it is separated from the engine bay, the only thing going into this area is fresh outside air. Another great thing about having the filter elment here is that its closer to the outside and thus more aduioable/louder.

In comparision the way redline has his set up the piping, puts the filter element near the exhaust manifold where it is pron to still injest hot air. furter more the filter element is still in the engine bay area. This causes it to get heat soaked and also means that it is not constantly fed cold air. Inorder to solve this probly an air scope can be made however even with and airscoop it probably isnt to effective at cold air injestion.

I beleive redline was one of the ppl i asked questions about CAI when i looked into it. Or at least i remember looking at his set up via pix from the members page. I decided not to go with this set up for the above reasons but also because of its location next to the exhaust manifold and the number of bends. The least bends ensures the smoothes flow of air possible.

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I'll be honest, I like Urban Dorks set up better than mine just because its cooler haha. But I have gotten alot of props from local tuners on my work.

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I beleive redline was one of the ppl i asked questions about CAI when i looked into it. Or at least i remember looking at his set up via pix from the members page. I decided not to go with this set up for the above reasons but also because the number of bends and its location next to the exhaust manifold


^^ Yeh and I also had to relocate my cruise control


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ALSO! I have made a custom scoop to bring in air from under the car, and I am working on making a heat shield.

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QUOTE(Redline_Racer @ Feb 24, 2005 - 7:44 AM)
I'll be honest, I like Urban Dorks set up better than mine just because its cooler haha. But I have gotten alot of props from local tuners on my work.

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I beleive redline was one of the ppl i asked questions about CAI when i looked into it. Or at least i remember looking at his set up via pix from the members page. I decided not to go with this set up for the above reasons but also because the number of bends and its location next to the exhaust manifold


^^ Yeh and I also had to relocate my cruise control


-Brandon

ALSO! I have made a custom scoop to bring in air from under the car, and I am working on making a heat shield.
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Yes i remeber you telling i think or at least reading in a post. I am positive i spoke you about the cai subject back when i was planning mine. Thanks a bunch for all the info.

Aside from that its also important to note that what really tops off the whole CAI package is the temp sensor. If you have the CAI piping but the temp sensor is just left in the egine bay, then its reading even hotter air then it would be with the stock airbox. I would assume this only means less HP then even the stock airbox.

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