Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
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In Europe we also have celica's with Superstrut Suspension.
Thats wy i'm sharing this information! The ST205 GT-Four uses a system of front suspension design unique to Toyota. It moves away from the MacPherson strut used on all other Celicas and is much more complex. This system is used on the GT-Four, some Japanese spec Corollas and the higher spec Japanese fwd Celicas (SSII and SSIII). It was available in Europe on the Carina GTi and was an option on the ST202 (thanks Dirk for the info). My understanding of the system is that the geometry does not give the same camber and castor changes during cornering that occur with MacPherson strut. Is it better? Well, it is different. There are reliability problems if maintenance isn't kept up, TTE had continual problems and I believe they swapped the rally cars back to MacPherson strut. A brief description of MacPherson strut is in order. The Toyota system uses a lower A arm with rubber bushings front and rear. This has only one degree of motion (ie. it rotates on the bushings). At the outer point of the A arm is a balljoint which connects to the steering knuckle and allows for rotation (steering) and pivot (shock compression). The steering knuckle is rigidly bolted to the bottom of the strut. The whole strut turns when steering, twisting in the roller bearing in the top mount. Fairly simple and cheap, used by most manufacturers. So what is Superstrut suspension? It is a hybrid between normal MacPherson strut and a multilink setup. One of the requirements of the design brief was that the system would fit existing suspension mount locations. Therefore the system can be fitted into export Celicas as well as the Japanese lower spec SSI! The late production cars even share the same subframe. The photo below shows the lower part of the system. This consists of a front and rear lower arm, connected (by rodends) to a connector plate. The rear arm has a rubber bushing at the inner end (the only rubber bushing at the front except swaybar D-bushings), the front arm has a balljoint. This system allows the arms to pivot as the suspension turns. ![]() The steering knuckle is quite different to that of the MacPherson strut cars. It bolts securely to the connector plate joining the lower arms (see photo below). The top end connects to the strut part way up using a balljoint (see red arrow in left picture and upper arrow in right picture below. The strut mounts to the body in the normal way, but the lower end is secured to the front lower arm using another pivoting arm visible at the right in the photo above. This arm is near vertical in the photos, it is actually about 150mm long and pivots at each end. ![]() ![]() The photo of the assembled suspension below shows that the strut rotates minimally when steering ( the same amount as the front lower arm as it is rigidly connected). The steering knuckle moves instead. While the outboard strut moves rearwards slightly when the car turns in (turning left in the photo), it can be seen that the hub moves forward. But because of the strut movement the actual movement at the wheel is minimised. The second photo shows the mounting points for the lower arms on the subframe. ![]() All the info from: gtfour.supras.org.nz |
celi94 Superstrut Suspension Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
Rusty Here is my understanding regarding your question b... Apr 1, 2010 - 12:59 AM
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Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 17, 2010 - 3... May 18, 2010 - 11:23 AM
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Rusty check the SSS part thread in the suspension sticky... May 17, 2010 - 3:04 PM
nammer QUOTE (Rusty @ May 17, 2010 - 1:04 P... May 17, 2010 - 8:01 PM
BonzaiCelica is the drop on superstrut suspension the same heig... May 17, 2010 - 11:16 PM
Euphoria only difference would be the GT-4 super strut as i... May 18, 2010 - 2:41 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Edophus @ May 18, 2010 - 12:2... May 18, 2010 - 4:15 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 18, 2010 - 10... May 18, 2010 - 5:10 PM
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linkerx RE: Superstrut Suspension May 22, 2010 - 11:20 PM
BonzaiCelica anyone care to explain this illustration please... May 24, 2010 - 9:53 PM
Edophus thankyou i think that is a brilliant visulization ... May 25, 2010 - 10:40 AM
Rusty top pic is underneath
second is in front of the ca... May 25, 2010 - 1:31 AM
Penkka QUOTE (Rusty @ May 25, 2010 - 1:31 A... May 25, 2010 - 6:47 AM
Rusty lol so it is, fixed my above statement
yeah its... May 25, 2010 - 4:12 PM
linkerx QUOTE (Rusty @ May 25, 2010 - 4:12 P... May 25, 2010 - 10:36 PM
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BonzaiCelica any luck with those videos??
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Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 5, 2010 - 1... Sep 6, 2010 - 10:30 AM
BonzaiCelica ok thanks for clearing that up! nice pic i se... Sep 6, 2010 - 2:52 PM
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BonzaiCelica no no no edophus I totally know that there would b... Sep 6, 2010 - 9:50 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 7, 2010 - 3... Sep 7, 2010 - 4:55 AM
Rusty QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 30, 2010 - 11... Sep 30, 2010 - 1:22 AM
Edophus QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 30, 2010 - 7:22 A... Oct 16, 2010 - 5:49 PM
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BonzaiCelica yea your celica does look like a bloated integra i... Sep 10, 2010 - 2:15 AM
nsxtypeR The parts that wear out are the camber control lin... Sep 10, 2010 - 7:28 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ Sep 10, 2010 - 8:2... Sep 12, 2010 - 2:38 PM
BonzaiCelica so how would I go about getting alignment for the ... Sep 22, 2010 - 7:55 PM
Rusty one is expensive, the other is discontinued. Sep 23, 2010 - 12:43 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 23, 2010 - 1:43 A... Sep 23, 2010 - 1:04 AM
3WayStunna From what i understand, TRD and TEIN coilovers are... Sep 23, 2010 - 7:34 PM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (3WayStunna @ Sep 23, 2010 - 7... Sep 24, 2010 - 9:00 PM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ Sep 10, 2010 - 8:2... Sep 27, 2010 - 2:48 PM
Edophus tien and trd are not the same, the trd coilovers u... Sep 27, 2010 - 5:52 PM
BonzaiCelica SUPERSTRUT SUSPENSION FTW!!! I only go... Sep 29, 2010 - 6:36 PM
BonzaiCelica yup will do when the time is right. I still have m... Sep 30, 2010 - 3:00 PM
BonzaiCelica Can someone convert these numbers in the ST202 Sup... Sep 30, 2010 - 6:03 PM
azian_advanced just multiply the kgf/mm value by 9.81 to get it i... Oct 1, 2010 - 2:41 AM
Rusty QUOTE there is a noticeable difference between the... Oct 16, 2010 - 11:54 PM
Edophus QUOTE (Rusty @ Oct 17, 2010 - 5:54 A... Oct 18, 2010 - 5:25 AM
BonzaiCelica oo very nice argument guys! hey Edophus I love... Oct 18, 2010 - 7:41 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 19, 2010 - 1... Oct 19, 2010 - 5:31 AM
Rusty Ok, I've done some quick searching and I think... Oct 22, 2010 - 2:49 AM
Edophus QUOTE (Rusty @ Oct 22, 2010 - 8:49 A... Oct 22, 2010 - 6:42 AM
Nial QUOTE (Edophus @ Oct 22, 2010 - 6:42... Dec 11, 2010 - 7:35 AM
Edophus QUOTE (Nial @ Dec 11, 2010 - 12:35 P... Dec 13, 2010 - 3:53 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Edophus @ Dec 13, 2010 - 3:53... Dec 13, 2010 - 10:03 PM
BonzaiCelica ooo more info on the superstrut suspension. I don... Oct 23, 2010 - 1:37 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 23, 2010 - 7... Oct 23, 2010 - 2:02 PM
Edophus i finnally uploaded a bit more of the ss3, this is... Oct 23, 2010 - 5:04 PM
BonzaiCelica how much did you lower those TRD Coilovers when yo... Nov 16, 2010 - 4:30 AM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Nov 16, 2010 - 10... Nov 16, 2010 - 10:49 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Edophus @ Nov 16, 2010 - 11:4... Nov 17, 2010 - 1:17 AM
BonzaiCelica these are quite expensive Edophus. Although Tein m... Dec 10, 2010 - 3:09 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Edophus @ Nov 16, 2010 - 10:4... Dec 12, 2010 - 4:47 AM
boyota Hello there
I'm going to replace the ... Dec 15, 2010 - 5:54 AM
nsxtypeR Just OEM parts Dec 15, 2010 - 1:41 PM
BonzaiCelica guide to converting superstrut to mcerphson will b... Apr 17, 2011 - 7:25 AM
nsxtypeR Axles are different. The superstrut hubs have 21 s... Apr 17, 2011 - 9:43 AM
BonzaiCelica don't worry nsxtype r is wrong continue readin... Apr 17, 2011 - 4:33 PM
yungazzdriver wait, I read somwhere that st204 and st205 hubs ar... Apr 18, 2011 - 9:08 PM
BonzaiCelica yes dude the hubs are the same, so in turn if you ... Apr 18, 2011 - 10:18 PM
yungazzdriver So how would i go about making the super strut sus... Apr 19, 2011 - 8:36 AM
yungazzdriver Never mind I just read up on the how to change fro... Apr 19, 2011 - 2:09 PM
BonzaiCelica edophus what type of sway bars were you running wh... Jun 9, 2011 - 5:01 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jun 9, 2011 - 11... Jun 17, 2011 - 9:46 AM
jordisonjr Did every Gt four (st205) come from factory with s... Jun 17, 2011 - 11:07 AM
nsxtypeR Yes Jun 17, 2011 - 11:28 AM
jordisonjr So if you find a gtfour for sale with after market... Jun 17, 2011 - 11:08 PM
Neon90424 yes or its an alltrac Jun 18, 2011 - 9:37 AM
nsxtypeR That's correct. Many 6th gen GTFOUR owners did... Jun 18, 2011 - 1:33 PM
BonzaiCelica superstrut would be more of an advantage on a FWD ... Jun 18, 2011 - 3:56 PM
nsxtypeR I don't know if it is more of an advantage on ... Jun 18, 2011 - 4:38 PM
Edophus QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ Jun 18, 2011 - 10... Jun 22, 2011 - 3:45 PM
Rusty Typical replacement is around 80,000-120,000km... Jun 20, 2011 - 1:42 AM
cax_11 Can someone help me on this. How do you test it? A... Jun 22, 2011 - 3:22 AM
Edophus QUOTE (cax_11 @ Jun 22, 2011 - 9:22 ... Jun 22, 2011 - 3:34 PM
BonzaiCelica hmm good points edophus. Jun 22, 2011 - 11:38 PM
Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jun 23, 2011 - 5... Jun 23, 2011 - 2:32 PM
TheChildOfTheSea My question is...
What are the parts composing the... Jun 23, 2011 - 1:11 PM
TheChildOfTheSea ahh, I ended up reading the 3 pages of the topic, ... Jun 23, 2011 - 4:39 PM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Rusty @ Jun 20, 2011 - 1:42 A... Jun 24, 2011 - 1:34 AM
TheChildOfTheSea Ah nice! thanks for the quotes! Jun 24, 2011 - 9:50 AM
BonzaiCelica ok these are the differences I got between SS3 and... Jun 24, 2011 - 6:35 PM
jordisonjr So I've read through this whole thread and sti... Jul 27, 2011 - 4:15 PM
TheChildOfTheSea QUOTE (jordisonjr @ Jul 27, 2011 - 5... Jul 27, 2011 - 4:41 PM
jordisonjr So would you have to do custom modification to get... Jul 27, 2011 - 10:46 PM
TheChildOfTheSea QUOTE (jordisonjr @ Jul 27, 2011 - 11... Jul 28, 2011 - 1:31 AM
BonzaiCelica guide to converting superstrut to mcerphson will b... Jul 28, 2011 - 2:49 AM
BonzaiCelica what are the torque specs for all the Superstrut p... Aug 13, 2011 - 10:55 PM
Nial Probably covers everything twice???? Aug 14, 2011 - 2:04 AM![]() ![]() |
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