Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
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In Europe we also have celica's with Superstrut Suspension.
Thats wy i'm sharing this information! The ST205 GT-Four uses a system of front suspension design unique to Toyota. It moves away from the MacPherson strut used on all other Celicas and is much more complex. This system is used on the GT-Four, some Japanese spec Corollas and the higher spec Japanese fwd Celicas (SSII and SSIII). It was available in Europe on the Carina GTi and was an option on the ST202 (thanks Dirk for the info). My understanding of the system is that the geometry does not give the same camber and castor changes during cornering that occur with MacPherson strut. Is it better? Well, it is different. There are reliability problems if maintenance isn't kept up, TTE had continual problems and I believe they swapped the rally cars back to MacPherson strut. A brief description of MacPherson strut is in order. The Toyota system uses a lower A arm with rubber bushings front and rear. This has only one degree of motion (ie. it rotates on the bushings). At the outer point of the A arm is a balljoint which connects to the steering knuckle and allows for rotation (steering) and pivot (shock compression). The steering knuckle is rigidly bolted to the bottom of the strut. The whole strut turns when steering, twisting in the roller bearing in the top mount. Fairly simple and cheap, used by most manufacturers. So what is Superstrut suspension? It is a hybrid between normal MacPherson strut and a multilink setup. One of the requirements of the design brief was that the system would fit existing suspension mount locations. Therefore the system can be fitted into export Celicas as well as the Japanese lower spec SSI! The late production cars even share the same subframe. The photo below shows the lower part of the system. This consists of a front and rear lower arm, connected (by rodends) to a connector plate. The rear arm has a rubber bushing at the inner end (the only rubber bushing at the front except swaybar D-bushings), the front arm has a balljoint. This system allows the arms to pivot as the suspension turns. ![]() The steering knuckle is quite different to that of the MacPherson strut cars. It bolts securely to the connector plate joining the lower arms (see photo below). The top end connects to the strut part way up using a balljoint (see red arrow in left picture and upper arrow in right picture below. The strut mounts to the body in the normal way, but the lower end is secured to the front lower arm using another pivoting arm visible at the right in the photo above. This arm is near vertical in the photos, it is actually about 150mm long and pivots at each end. ![]() ![]() The photo of the assembled suspension below shows that the strut rotates minimally when steering ( the same amount as the front lower arm as it is rigidly connected). The steering knuckle moves instead. While the outboard strut moves rearwards slightly when the car turns in (turning left in the photo), it can be seen that the hub moves forward. But because of the strut movement the actual movement at the wheel is minimised. The second photo shows the mounting points for the lower arms on the subframe. ![]() All the info from: gtfour.supras.org.nz |
celi94 Superstrut Suspension Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
BonzaiCelica RE: Superstrut Suspension Sep 12, 2011 - 4:33 PM
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Rusty Well you did say they were "identical" m... Sep 14, 2011 - 2:45 AM
BonzaiCelica I'd say the splines for the from the SS-II Sup... Sep 19, 2011 - 3:28 PM
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GT4 Hello guys
Can anyone tell me what suspension kit ... Oct 13, 2011 - 6:11 AM
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Edophus QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 24, 2012 - 12... May 30, 2012 - 7:49 AM
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FORGMANN The gt4 and SS3 racks are longer and subframe rack... May 30, 2012 - 9:59 AM
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BonzaiCelica QUOTE (FORGMANN @ May 30, 2012 - 5:5... May 30, 2012 - 7:37 PM
Edophus be interesting to see if you can get those rebuilt... May 31, 2012 - 8:38 AM
BonzaiCelica Conclusion :
You have to be prepared to at least ... May 31, 2012 - 5:01 PM
rdyzz sorry to bring this topic back up, i've always... Jul 12, 2012 - 10:24 PM
BonzaiCelica ^^ this reminds of something the sw20 mr2 have. So... Jul 12, 2012 - 11:11 PM
rdyzz QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jul 12, 2012 - 11... Jul 13, 2012 - 6:37 PM
delusionz I read something a few pages back, i have to say s... Jul 13, 2012 - 1:55 AM
BonzaiCelica hmm trying to understand you i really am. what do ... Jul 13, 2012 - 7:11 PM
rdyzz QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jul 13, 2012 - 7... Jul 13, 2012 - 10:24 PM
LimitedGT4 Cut? Weld?
Its a straight swap
it was for me
Chan... Jul 13, 2012 - 10:46 PM
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BonzaiCelica uhh corolla did also come with superstrut suspensi... Jul 15, 2012 - 12:18 AM
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BonzaiCelica QUOTE (Edophus @ May 31, 2012 - 9:38... Aug 15, 2012 - 1:40 AM
Edophus The bearing on the superstrut lower control arm wh... Sep 3, 2012 - 10:58 AM
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LimitedGT4 I can honestly say from experience that it will no... Nov 1, 2012 - 11:10 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (LimitedGT4 @ Nov 1, 2012 - 11... Nov 1, 2012 - 5:48 PM
LimitedGT4 QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Nov 1, 2012 - 6... May 8, 2013 - 7:05 AM
BonzaiCelica McPherson sway bar will not work with Super strut ... Nov 5, 2012 - 11:28 PM
rdyzz edophos my cars not to low, but we all know that w... Jan 15, 2013 - 9:30 PM
BonzaiCelica yo dude check out page 7 of this thread about the ... Jan 16, 2013 - 2:32 AM
Flyin Which one it is my fortune tellers? May 8, 2013 - 12:12 AM
Special_Edy Thats the normal suspension, see its got a solid l... May 8, 2013 - 6:20 AM
BonzaiCelica McPherson front sway bar will not work on Super st... May 8, 2013 - 12:39 PM
Special_Edy QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 8, 2013 - 12... May 8, 2013 - 7:52 PM
LimitedGT4 QUOTE (Special_Edy @ May 8, 2013 - 8... May 8, 2013 - 8:01 PM
Special_Edy QUOTE (LimitedGT4 @ May 8, 2013 - 9... May 10, 2013 - 9:53 AM
BonzaiCelica guide to converting superstrut to mcerphson will b... Jun 7, 2013 - 1:22 PM
BonzaiCelica RE: Superstrut Suspension Aug 7, 2013 - 1:18 PM
BonzaiCelica guide to converting superstrut to McPherson will b... Sep 16, 2013 - 10:17 PM
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BonzaiCelica since ford/gm uses a superstrut near identical sys... Nov 21, 2013 - 1:03 AM
Trodai QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Sep 26, 2013 - 10... Nov 23, 2013 - 5:16 PM
loollool Does anyone know Cusco lower arm bar ver.II fit to... Dec 18, 2013 - 7:54 AM
BonzaiCelica all 94-99 celica use same front subframe geometry.... Dec 18, 2013 - 10:10 PM
Trodai QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 18, 2013 - 10... Dec 19, 2013 - 7:56 PM
BonzaiCelica ok thats what i meant to say. read thru the thread... Dec 19, 2013 - 7:58 PM
Red123 quick question guys.
Can I interchange ss3 superst... Jan 20, 2014 - 3:52 PM
nsxtypeR Ss2, ss3 and gt4 supertruts setups are all the sam... Jan 21, 2014 - 1:52 PM
Red123 QUOTE (nsxtypeR @ Jan 21, 2014 - 1:5... Jan 24, 2014 - 5:22 PM
Kev6GCTH In case you will buy used super strut parts. I rec... Jan 27, 2014 - 11:46 AM
rdyzz Here is an old best motoring video of an ae101 sup... Jul 12, 2014 - 10:11 PM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (rdyzz @ Jul 12, 2014 - 11:11 ... Jul 13, 2014 - 1:06 AM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (malpaso @ Feb 13, 2011 - 5:59... Apr 30, 2015 - 5:58 PM
enderswift Bonzai the superstut top mount has a bearing that ... Apr 30, 2015 - 6:03 PM
mi645 Something i tried to explain to u mr.bonzai. Yet u... Apr 30, 2015 - 8:26 PM
BonzaiCelica QUOTE (mi645 @ Apr 30, 2015 - 8:26 P... Apr 30, 2015 - 9:04 PM
Rusty Yes that's true they're different. Thought... May 1, 2015 - 2:11 AM
carina3sge Hi there, I need some help regarding the superstru... Aug 18, 2015 - 7:08 AM
nsxtypeR Yes it can be done. Did it myself a few years ago ... Aug 29, 2015 - 10:06 AM
mi645 Isnt the st202 superstrut suit the carina better? ... Aug 30, 2015 - 12:23 AM
nsxtypeR Superstrut setups are the same. Springrates are di... Aug 30, 2015 - 11:27 PM
mi645 Incorrect, the st205 ss uses different brake lines... Sep 1, 2015 - 12:14 PM
nsxtypeR All arms are the same and so is the shockabsorber.... Sep 2, 2015 - 12:02 PM
mi645 well in that case, st205 bc coilovers r completely... Sep 4, 2015 - 8:50 PM
nsxtypeR Rears are different yes due the the awd of the gtf... Sep 5, 2015 - 11:48 AM
mi645 Just buy the ss2 celica super strut bc coilover, r... Sep 5, 2015 - 9:23 PM
linkerx see my video on the work superstrut suspension:
ht... Dec 22, 2016 - 7:22 AM
Wild202 Perhaps I'll write something useful.
http://w... Jan 10, 2017 - 10:36 AM
BattlingBiatch QUOTE (celi94 @ Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 ... Feb 27, 2020 - 10:23 AM
BonzaiCelica Computer Animated video of how superstrut geometry... Nov 26, 2020 - 5:11 PM
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