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post Jun 2, 2003 - 1:58 PM
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On my way to the airport a few weeks ago, I had the chance to race a corvette, it looked like it was from the 80's, one of the ones without the pretty lines. We pulled up to a stoplight, and since she had been driving like a maniac before, I thought it might be fun to race, and get beaten, by her.

When the light changed, I floored the thing, dumped the clutch, and took off. I was sure she would beat me, I've just got a stock GT. Somehow, I was able to keep ahead of her. What is up with this? Don't those things have massive engines?

Anyways, the highway we were on stays clear, and it was early morning, so there was no traffic. The GT's top out at about 125mph or so (at least mine), so she was finally able to pass me once I hit my top speed. Shouldn't she have beaten me long before that though? She was trying too, I could tell, but I know my car ain't that fast. Anyways. Just kinda rambling. This ain't supposed to happen tho, is it?


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post Jun 2, 2003 - 2:11 PM
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Maybe hers was automatic. Just a guess.
post Jun 2, 2003 - 2:38 PM
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Those 1980's Vettes i think have a lil over 200 horsepower for most of them. I saw something about the history of them and they ate it when emissions got real tight in the 1980's. GM didn't do anything to keep up performance and still meet regulations so the power just got cut down. Barbie cars...
post Jun 2, 2003 - 8:17 PM
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sorry to tell you but the vettes in the 80's were slow as ****... If you want to race a vette go after 67-69 stingrays, or 1997-up c5's and Z06's
post Jun 2, 2003 - 8:23 PM
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QUOTE (Phr0z3n664 @ Jun 2, 2003 - 5:31 PM)
sorry to tell you but the vettes in the 80's were slow as ****... If you want to race a vette go after 67-69 stingrays, or 1997-up c5's and Z06's

well, it was good for the ego temporarily. At least I can say I beat a vette.


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post Jun 2, 2003 - 10:43 PM
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i was beaten by a vette


well her name was evette wink.gif
post Jun 2, 2003 - 10:46 PM
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Automatic isn't going to make THAT HUGE of a difference on the drag stip if you're racing a newer vette.
post Jun 2, 2003 - 10:49 PM
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that wasnt on the drag strip

it was the highway

and honestly i could give a FOOK less about a drag strip. i mean damn like its that hard. i would say the hardest thing about drag racing is getting out of the box perfectly.

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post Jun 2, 2003 - 11:02 PM
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Well, I wasn't aware that you considered the drag stip, and a highway with a light so different.
post Jun 2, 2003 - 11:08 PM
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Ok, the most annoying thing around is when people say a car is slow because of it being automatic.

1) An automatic car can redline the gears (by going through them manually), whats the difference?
2) The top 3 fastest street legal cars are all Turbocharged 7-8 second automatics.
3) I prefer automatic over stick because you don't have to worry about ****ing a clutch or any part of the transmission as much.
post Jun 2, 2003 - 11:28 PM
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the 80s vettes are sh!t, too much emissions crap and no muscle to compinsate.

oh and jason, thats bullsh!t cuz the top 3 street legals are not sold in ATs. enzo, murecialigo (cant spell it), and that bugatti. and all are 6 speed MTs.

oh and also ask anyone who redlines their gears "manually" and ask how trashed their transmission gets. and ya you should worry about your transmission if you "manually" shift an AT. clutchs are much easier and much cheaper to replace than your entire AT transmission rolleyes.gif


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post Jun 2, 2003 - 11:59 PM
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at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower. its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all. there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green.

but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages. plus its more fun! biggrin.gif


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post Jun 3, 2003 - 12:04 AM
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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM)
at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower. its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all. there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green.

but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages. plus its more fun! biggrin.gif

yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.


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post Jun 3, 2003 - 12:20 AM
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QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM)
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at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower.  its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all.  there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green.

but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages.  plus its more fun! biggrin.gif

yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

From a complete stop an AT will tear up any stickshift car from 1-2-maybe 3rd gear. From a roll it doesn't actually make the car 1/2 slower, if going about 20mph..drop to 2 and go up to D and feel your car pull very hard.
post Jun 3, 2003 - 12:56 AM
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QUOTE (No0bOne @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:34 PM)
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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 11:13 PM)
at most an auto tranny makes the car 1/2 a second slower.  its not that big of a difference and once your moving it doesnt make much of a difference at all.  there is no chance of miss shifting and just floor it as the light turns green.

but i do under stand that driving a manual takes more skill and has some advantages.  plus its more fun! biggrin.gif

yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

From a complete stop an AT will tear up any stickshift car from 1-2-maybe 3rd gear. From a roll it doesn't actually make the car 1/2 slower, if going about 20mph..drop to 2 and go up to D and feel your car pull very hard.

bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag.

and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.


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post Jun 3, 2003 - 1:19 AM
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QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 9:18 PM)
yea, well the point hes trying to make is in most TT apps having an AT will help to elimate the boost drop and respooling needed when shifting gears. but none of us here are driving twin turbos so i fail to see his point.

Who said none of us here drive TT's biggrin.gif

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post Jun 3, 2003 - 1:21 AM
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Oh yea screw auto and manual.....all about Sequential WOOT* LOL

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bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag.

and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.


yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine)


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QUOTE (97sccelica @ Jun 3, 2003 - 12:42 AM)
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bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag.

and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.


yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine)

yes but for every dollar some1 spends on putting money into an AT like that, you can buy A/M slave cylinders and street/racing clutchs for the MT, it all evens out, with the MT ahead untill you get into boosting and turbo spool.

which even then, its possable to keep a turbo spooled with a MT, just slam shift, dont take your foot off the gas, it holds the boost up, but i wouldnt recommend it b/c you do countless damage to the trans, axles, clutch and everything inbetween


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post Jun 3, 2003 - 1:39 AM
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QUOTE (K2_Celica @ Jun 2, 2003 - 10:44 PM)
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bull****. if a person can properly drive a stickshift it doesnt lag when stepping on the gas like an AT does, AT trans slip momentarily while a good 5-spd driver transfers the power with out lagging, unless the driver is worthless and boggs the car. you can also stage a MT, staging an AT is worthless because neutral slamming really damages the tranny and you still will lag.

and you are still thrashing the tranny by dropping into 2nd then throwing it into drive. with a MT you can control how much force is excerted onto the trans by how fast/slow you drop the clutch, not to mention rev-matching takes alot of strain off the trans. you cant do either of those in an AT, hell, if anyone didnt do either of those in an MT theyd be replacing syncros like crazy.


yea, i agree with that, unless the auto tranny is built to be shifted on command. but the lag isnt that bad, a shift kit and performance torque converter will get rid of any lag in an auto tranny(well, most of it anyway, the tranny still isnt directly connected to the engine)

yes but for every dollar some1 spends on putting money into an AT like that, you can buy A/M slave cylinders and street/racing clutchs for the MT, it all evens out, with the MT ahead untill you get into boosting and turbo spool.

which even then, its possable to keep a turbo spooled with a MT, just slam shift, dont take your foot off the gas, it holds the boost up, but i wouldnt recommend it b/c you do countless damage to the trans, axles, clutch and everything inbetween

kinda like dropping an auto tranny into 2, lol


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