"performance videos", lets discuss Options

[presure2]

hey all,

we all know 6gc has a strict "NO street racing" policy, so that is not what i'd like to discuss here.
what i would like to discuss is the option of allowing "performance" videos.

for example:
speedo vids (as long as there not in heavy traffic, or racing)
flyby vids,
in car performance vids (again, as long as its not in heavy traffic or racing)
are all things i think we could allow, while still maintaining the no street racing policy.
i'd like to hear all of your thoughts on this, and just to be clear, again, this is not about allowing street racing on the site, we WILL not allow that.
lets keep this discussion on topic, and civil, please.

[SeverX13]

i like the idea. itll let us show off what our cars can do with out breaking any forum rules haha. im all for it!



This post has been edited by SeverX13: Jan 1, 2009 - 8:45 PM

[supershannon77]

I would like this since I keep taking videos but then I never do anything with them since ppl might say they are to much....I would like to be able to show off a few and not keep trying to capture a video that fits within the rules.

[CelicaST_CALI]

they i think it would be ok...we might need to appoint a mod to ONLY mod the multi section to weed out illegal crap..

This post has been edited by presure2: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:17 PM

[Culpable04]

as much as I love to watch other 6gc show their performance ( as I lack some in that dept ) fly by videos, speedo videos, and such can still serve as prrof against any member on a trial, yes I know, it's not like every single post is being monitored by the police, but just something to be aware.

if 6gc is gonna allow this videos, Perfect. when I get some performance I'll post a video and take it down in a reasonable time.

[_Jim_]

I think this is a GREAT idea. This site almost NEEDS something like this to get some spark back in here.

But I think there needs to be VERY SPECIFIC guidelines and rules, so there is no BS from the usual crowd.

Questions:
What about one car videoing another car accelerating hard from a roll on the highway (no weaving, no excess of 100mph speeds, yada yada)
What about 2 cars one videoing the other both accelartaing heard for a short while and NOT exceeding the Speed limit of the highway
What about parking lot burnouts
What about parking lot drifting
How fast is to fast to post on an acceleration video (so someone doesn't start to cry I let out at 85-90MPH and there are no such highways with such speed limits in NJ)
What about a WOT drieby
What about 2 cars WOT side by side drive by

Ok, so I KNOW some of the answers to these questions will be "No, not allowed"......I put these in for a reason......So to be VERY CLEAR of what is allowed, and what is not.



This post has been edited by _Jim_: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:05 PM

[SeverX13]

if we are gonna appoint a mod i want in haha. im sure there really isnt a reason for another mod just fot that forum tho. and cop wont bust anyone with something small like a fly by or something with no traffic. now say if i posted a vid of me weaving in an out of heavy traffic on the interstate goin a buck 20 than tha would be a good reason for cops. thats why we need little if not any traffic in teh vids. trust me cops wouldnt waste there time with that


rules never said anything about talking about going fast. its the racing part

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:04 PM

[CelicaST_CALI]

Jim you really like the abbreviation WOT dont you haha jk jk

even if we are allowed to post fast vids there's no way any of us are going to beat Tufy's video...


As long as it isnt to crazy it should be allowed(mods decision)

This post has been edited by CelicaST_CALI: Jan 1, 2009 - 9:07 PM

[_Jim_]

Jim you really like the abbreviation WOT dont you haha jk jk

Yes, yes i do

even if we are allowed to post fast vids there's no way any of us are going to beat Tufy's video...

Well its not for the purpose of BEATING someone, its just something new/fresh/exciting to view.......and as for NOBODY "beating" tuff, hey you never know

[RickJamesBish]

It sounds like a good idea, but under the discretion of the rules this'll get out of hand quickly and there's not much of a line between "heavy traffic" and "not too much traffic, could've been dangerous to make this vid or it couldn't have," and it'll turn into a pointless feature.

[SeverX13]

It sounds like a good idea, but under the discretion of the rules this'll get out of hand quickly and there's not much of a line between "heavy traffic" and "not too much traffic, could've been dangerous to make this vid or it couldn't have," and it'll turn into a pointless feature.

thats were the mods come into play. they decide if its too much or not. stay or go.

[presure2]

It sounds like a good idea, but under the discretion of the rules this'll get out of hand quickly and there's not much of a line between "heavy traffic" and "not too much traffic, could've been dangerous to make this vid or it couldn't have," and it'll turn into a pointless feature.

i think the line between, in traffic, and not in traffic is pretty clear.
the only way it gets out of hand is from people like you who abuse the rules of this site.

Questions:
What about one car videoing another car accelerating hard from a roll on the highway (no weaving, no excess of 100mph speeds, yada yada)
What about 2 cars one videoing the other both accelartaing heard for a short while and NOT exceeding the Speed limit of the highway
What about parking lot burnouts
What about parking lot drifting
How fast is to fast to post on an acceleration video (so someone doesn't start to cry I let out at 85-90MPH and there are no such highways with such speed limits in NJ)
What about a WOT drieby
What about 2 cars WOT side by side drive by

#1, using a chace car would be fine IMO.
#2, that would be street racing, so no.
#3 is no big deal
#4 aint happening in a 6gc lmao.
#5 speed isnt so much the concern as much as it not being racing..like i said, i think speedo vids and things of the like, showing speed, even if it is over the speed limit (i mean, lets be real, how many of us acutally drive under the speed limit ALL the time?)
#6 is fine IMO
#7 would be street racing, so no.

keep em coming guys.

[RickJamesBish]

Well, it's apparently been a sore subject on 6GC and something forbidden the whole time, I don't see how it would be implemented now.

[_Jim_]

Sweet, cant wait......this has been a long time coming.

[96bluevert]

I like this idea, should include the autosports in this (drag racing, Auto X, ect...).

[richee3]

I like 96bluevert's idea of autocross and drag racing vids. Personally, I like the idea of having these vids posted, but I do think they should be heavily monitered by the mods. Not necessarily ever for anything illegal, but just so we don't get hundreds of videos of ST's doing 0-100 mph test runs. No offense ST guys, but I don't have ten minutes to waste lol. And my car isn't much better, I wouldn't want you wasting 9 1/2 minutes of your life watching my video. I think if there was a section like this, only videos of actually fast cars or at least something tasteful should be posted. That's just my opinion.

And if a new mod was to be appointed, I nominate playr158. He seems very knowledgeable about everything 6GC and beyond.

EDIT: Actually, I was just thinking about my comment about the ST's doing their runs. There is a thread concerning the speed limiter on a Celica, and a few people with ST's claim their car can do 130. I do want to see that, since more than one person is claiming it. To quote NJCCMD, pictures or it never happened.

This post has been edited by richee3: Jan 2, 2009 - 12:59 AM

[95st-celica]

i think its an awesome idea...espically for people who are going to be doing auto X and have in car cameras, but also for the streets as well...speedo views up to 110 in an area with no traffic or somewhere like the turnpike where it is safe i think would be a great canidate...drive bys are great because you get to hear the car...and in car cameras are awesome...im fabing up a custom mount just so i can tape myself driving and put a little video together...im actually going to run RCA cables down the seat, under the center console and up to my head unit so i can set the camera and i'll be able to see exactly what im filming...for instance if i want to real quick get a speedo view i can reach next to me, position the camera and look at the screen as to where its pointing instead of trying to eyeball it...plus i can zoom in...i think this forum is in desperate need of a section like this and im 100% all for it...let the fun begin!! everyone here knows the difference between street racing and legal sprinted drivng...i think were still going to get the noobs posting racing videos but they can be filtered out accordingly...LETS DO IT!

[CelicaST_CALI]

I like 96bluevert's idea of autocross and drag racing vids. Personally, I like the idea of having these vids posted, but I do think they should be heavily monitered by the mods. Not necessarily ever for anything illegal, but just so we don't get hundreds of videos of ST's doing 0-100 mph test runs. No offense ST guys, but I don't have ten minutes to waste lol. And my cat isn't much better, I wouldn't want you wasting 9 1/2 minutes of your life watching my video. I think if there was a section like this, only videos of actually fast cars or at least something tasteful should be posted. That's just my opinion.

And if a new mod was to be appointed, I nominate playr158. He seems very knowledgeable about everything 6GC and beyond.

hahahahahahahaah the newb pwner

[manphibian]

hmmmmmmm.


Sounds like a good way of encouraging inexperienced drivers to try to 'out-do' each other to me.

If it were me i'd keep it all legal. 0-60's and stuff, not top speeds.... People HAVE been convicted from forum vids...


Will be good to have something new on the site, as long as people are mature about it.




Plus videos of TT's must be allowed

[Lil-Joe101]

I say do a test run first. Allow it but do the one shot one kill method. Meaning the moment it even looks illegal sut it down. This way people can police their own and everybody can moderate at a certain extent so to speak. One vid looks illegal shut it down. Only reason I say this, is because its a truely fine line and it only takes one wrong person to see it and BAM! issues pop up.

TMO.

This post has been edited by Lil-Joe101: Jan 2, 2009 - 6:05 AM

[presure2]

hmmmmmmm.


Sounds like a good way of encouraging inexperienced drivers to try to 'out-do' each other to me.

If it were me i'd keep it all legal. 0-60's and stuff, not top speeds.... People HAVE been convicted from forum vids...


Will be good to have something new on the site, as long as people are mature about it.




Plus videos of TT's must be allowed

i can see your point luke....i really dont wanna see if one of these kids can do 130 in theyre auto ST's
thats not what im looking to have people post.
im talking guys who wanna show how fast theyre cars accelerate, even if it happens to go over 100mph.
if it takes longer than a few seconds to get from 80 to 100, i dont wanna see it, pretty much. lmao
also, flying down the highway for kicks @ 100+ is not gonna fly here as well.
its a tough line to walk, i know, and there is definetly a "grey" area about it, where things will be borderline, and peoples opinions will be split, but hey, what isnt like that in life?

RJB, just shut up, you have no idea what your talking about.
you havent BEEN here long enough to talk about the "beginning"
there was a time on 6gc all the stuff ive talked about was allowed.
with the street racing rule, alot of this stuff has gone by the wayside, or has not been allowed.

i guess at the end of the day, it will have to be a mods discresion thing, pretty much.

and no, there wont be a new mod, just for vids, thats just silly.

and joe, the "one shot kill" method definetly will be part of this, anything we deem not site appropriate is.
again, liking the opinions here, people, keep them coming, along with the suggestions on the types of vids you think are good/bad.
i'd like to cover as many bases here as possible, so that we will have somthing to refrence back to if a problem comes up.

i would like to hear from more of you!

[RickJamesBish]

Sounds like a good way of encouraging inexperienced drivers to try to 'out-do' each other to me.

There's my point.

[Akirad1]

this sounds cool and i think what joe said would be a could idea. the one shot one kill method would be best for this.

[Batman722]

IMO anyone who has a camera has probably taken a vid or 2 at some point.

Is this site encouraging members to take vids ? no.

I've taken a few vids before, I think it should be moderator discression as what gets posted and/or deleted.

accelation vids, speedo/gauge vids, drive by vids, would be good IMO if the poster uses common sense while taking and posting them.

[95st-celica]

i know you guys have some videos on your computer...you should throw them up right now and say look...this is what is acceptable...dyno pulls, highway pulls, auto x...post them up, espically you pressure, i know art has a video crusin with a supra...its nothing crazy but they both get on it a little bit...im not home but i think i have a couple good accpetable videos to put up as well...everyone knows what is acceptable or not...just no street racing..its as simple as that...if someone wants to post up a video of their 95 st doing 110 then so be it...i use to have fun in my st, just carefull fun thats all...whatever your into..i think we need to get it started!

[lagos]

Here is my take on it...

1. all vids posted in the current mutimedia forum. No need for a new sub section as that would imply that people need to add content that has excessive speeding in it.
2. speed limit rules. no more then 100mph for NA cars, and no more then 120mph for turbo cars. I dont want to see some 16yr old in his ST trying to set a new world record by flooring his car for 30min. I also dont want to see a turbo owner maintain 120+mph for an extended period of time. Do your run, and shut it down. No need to endanger your life or loose your license.
3. no speed limit rules for foreign members. they have different laws then we do. for all we know, that 300mph run was totally legal because the guy was on the autobahn. a lot of those guys also rent out air ports and do runs there, which is perfectly legal.
4. no rules for tracks. this is a given. autox, 1/4mile, circuit tracks...do what you want there and lots of it.

[97celiman]

Sounds like a good way of encouraging inexperienced drivers to try to 'out-do' each other to me.

There's my point.

x1000000000

this is a cool idea but going 100mph is just as illegal as street racing and their isnt a way to define clear and unclear roads, or if the "chase car" is racing them (which would prob be how cops would see it)- i think there is too much leeway- what about road course people? i mean no disrespect but i dont think it should be allowed to post acceleration videos like 0-100 (pressure) if we cant post racing, i dont think either is smart but we cant condone one and not the other

[CelicaST_CALI]

beta beta beta beta....

i think we should try it out for like a month(if that) the all the mods get together(all 2 of um) and figure if it is gonna be ok or not..

[Rusty]

^ theres 4 mods and 1 admin

IMO id like to see acceleration runs & drive bys from other celicas just to see how'd they compare to mine (7afe, 5sfe, 7afte, 5sfte, 5sgte, 3sfe & 3sge vvti) since there isn't too many good ones on youtube

....i really dont wanna see if one of these kids can do 130 in theyre auto ST's

agree

also with our high res pictures we have to get them ok'd by a mod, maybe get our video ok'd by a mod before its posted, so we dont have any silly ones

also quick question, if you put a camera next to the speedo doing +200km/h and then say this is me doing practice at a race track, how would you prove it?

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jan 2, 2009 - 5:01 PM

[manphibian]

^ theres 4 mods and 1 admin

IMO id like to see acceleration runs & drive bys from other celicas just to see how'd they compare to mine (7afe, 5sfe, 7afte, 5sfte, 5sgte, 3sfe & 3sge vvti) since there isn't too many good ones on youtube

....i really dont wanna see if one of these kids can do 130 in theyre auto ST's

agree

also with our high res pictures we have to get them ok'd by a mod, maybe get our video ok'd by a mod before its posted, so we dont have any silly ones

also quick question, if you put a camera next to the speedo doing +200km/h and then say this is me doing practice at a race track, how would you prove it?

Yeah, there's Jeff, Collin and Coomer too

There's no way any new features, like video approval will be implemented as Coomer just isn't around any more. Remember the 'new features coming Friday'?

[CelicaST_CALI]

Luke we are trying to dream dont burst our bubble

[supershannon77]

Yea maybe Coomer can allow us to add a video or two into our profile...Then from there it has to be approved before it can be seen.

Just an idea.

[Culpable04]

adding video to our profiles ( assuming Coomer is here and with enough time to play around with the settings ) would take a lot of bandwidth thus costing money.

even though I don't agree, who am I here ? majority has agreed to try this, so keep it simple, upload to youtube pr similar and post the link, if a moderator feels is not following the rules, they can delete / edit the post.

[supershannon77]

That's true I didn't think about all the space the video would take up.

[d0w0rkS0n]

This is a pretty interesting topic. Also considering the fact that it is true that people have been convicted of street racing, wreckless, speeding, etc. just from forums. VAdriven, a forum site, mostly for hondas, is a site for VA Beach car enthusiasts and that forum is monitered by local cops. Its insane. People posting up vids of them hitting 120mph+ and it taking a minute and a half to get there is pointless and ignorant.


IMO, dyno pulls and fly by vids would be pretty sweet. ill be takin a couple as soon as im boosted. *January 28th, 2009* lol

on the bandwith matter, thats a good point as well. We could easily post the vid up on our youtubes or myspace or something and just post a link. If a mod doesnt approve... close the thread or edit the post.


well, thats my two cents.



-Allen

[stephen_lee]

i agree. lets just try it out though. if anything happens, we can kill the feature

[Rusty]

Yea maybe Coomer can allow us to add a video or two into our profile...Then from there it has to be approved before it can be seen.

that wasn't what I meant, I wanted it to be checked by a mod before other people watch it, getting approved before people see it.

[d0w0rkS0n]

yeah that sounds like a good idea

Yea maybe Coomer can allow us to add a video or two into our profile...Then from there it has to be approved before it can be seen.

that wasn't what I meant, I wanted it to be checked by a mod before other people watch it, getting approved before people see it.

[lagos]

Tuffy, I see you looking in this thread. Get us started by posting a video of your car in action!

[richee3]

...im talking guys who wanna show how fast theyre cars accelerate, even if it happens to go over 100mph.
if it takes longer than a few seconds to get from 80 to 100, i dont wanna see it, pretty much. lmao...

Of course this will be mods discretion, no questions about that. But my question is, would there be no videos of stock auto ST's trying to do a 0-100 run? Because that's gonna take forever and nobody is going to want to watch it. It will waste time. Like I said earlier, I think the allowed videos should be tasteful. If your car is capable of something, then post a video. But I won't be posting any vids of mt GT. I know it's not fast, and I don't want to waste everyone's time and have the entire 6GC community ripping on me for trying to do something stupid in a slow car. Presure, that quote sounds like you and I are thinking the exact same thing. So would videos of stock GT's or ST's be allowed if they aren't doing something impressive? I say leave worthless videos to Youtube and waste everyone's time there.

[presure2]

i didnt say we were DOING THIS.
besides, this isnt the place for vids.

[trdproven]

Sounds like a good idea, distinguishing, deciding on whats appropriate is more of the task. It becomes a case by case approval before it can be posted.

[malpaso]

In my opinion this is good idea. I'm able to make performance video legal way.

a) I should take some vids during track day
b) I should take some video on airfield (even one local TV station is using it for events about cars... its full legal when you have permission from airfield owner)
c) I should use Autobahn in Germany (no speed limits!!!)

so why do not have chance to share? and of course no one said I must make any video just because of performance topic here... so... why not.

[xredjokerx]

i think the rules/the forum section should be pretty strictly enforced.
i.e... you have to submit all information of the video to the mods before it can get posted.
like this

Example post:
Where: Abandoned Airfield in Alameda, 10miles west of Oakland
When: 9:30PM on a Saturday
What: Doing donuts on a rainy day
Link: www.google.com

Then it would automatically rule out those people who would post "0-130 IN AUTO ST 15MIN VIDEO."

[playr158]

wow there is a mod nomination for me!?

interesting...

[devilsden97]

IMHO this will lead to alot of, "0-130 st" posts, or generally illegal actions, that will be locked, or just require ALOT more mod involvment.

Im all for giving it a shot and seeing how people handle it, I realy am. I just honestly believe it will be ALOT more trouble then its worth.

Also if it does have a test run, there needs to be REAL rules, ie: 0-60 timed...(must show speedo whole time), 40-100 timed (must show speedo whole time), drive bys..(max speed XXmph [2x means only double digits] no US highway is 65+....)

there needs to be rules, and they need to be enforced... Mod aproval of videos is a must. IMO.


hope this helps in some way.

[playr158]

IMHO this will lead to alot of, "0-130 st" posts, or generally illegal actions, that will be locked, or just require ALOT more mod involvment.

Im all for giving it a shot and seeing how people handle it, I realy am. I just honestly believe it will be ALOT more trouble then its worth.

Also if it does have a test run, there needs to be REAL rules, ie: 0-60 timed...(must show speedo whole time), 40-100 timed (must show speedo whole time), drive bys..(max speed XXmph [2x means only double digits] no US highway is 65+....)

there needs to be rules, and they need to be enforced... Mod aproval of videos is a must. IMO.


hope this helps in some way.

errr there are speed limits higher than 65mph

[Dr_Tweak]

Sorry if this is a little off-topic, but since when are we not allowed to post vids? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a huge vid guy (in fact I need to buy a decent camera) but I've posted a few and I've seen others and it's never been a problem....

-Doc

[lagos]

IMHO this will lead to alot of, "0-130 st" posts, or generally illegal actions, that will be locked, or just require ALOT more mod involvment.

Im all for giving it a shot and seeing how people handle it, I realy am. I just honestly believe it will be ALOT more trouble then its worth.

Also if it does have a test run, there needs to be REAL rules, ie: 0-60 timed...(must show speedo whole time), 40-100 timed (must show speedo whole time), drive bys..(max speed XXmph [2x means only double digits] no US highway is 65+....)

there needs to be rules, and they need to be enforced... Mod aproval of videos is a must. IMO.


hope this helps in some way.

Migg, the general idea here is to stop being so anal about videos that are posted on here, and not to be MORE anal about them.

[presure2]

seriously.
go ahead and post your vids.
if its not pointless, or streetracing, chances are its just fine to post.
that is all.
/thread.

[d0w0rkS0n]

this thread seems to be getting on some peoples nerves... lol


-Allen

[devilsden97]

DAN: show me a highway thats 65+ POSTED speed limit.
ART: anal or not..u know people will get out of hand, and last i checked, he asked for opinions.... and i gave mine.

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jan 6, 2009 - 10:54 AM

[Dr_Tweak]

DAN: show me a highway thats 65+ POSTED speed limit.

Uh, you need to expand your universe a little bit there Here in GA we have 70mph speed limits, in Texas (and most other western states) they have 80mph posted limits on the HIGHWAY, 70mph posted limits on the other roads (meaning a two-lane regular road with no division).

-Doc

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jan 6, 2009 - 12:31 PM

[95st-celica]

in some parts of Montana there are NO speed limits...so a 200mph(if possiable) would be completely legal

[jesterwr217]

DAN: show me a highway thats 65+ POSTED speed limit.

Florida is 70mph

[spolski07]

parts of i35 are 80mph speedlimit down here

[devilsden97]

photo or it didnt happen! lol jk

ive been around, trust me. ive just never noticed anything over 65.

i stand corrected. ty

[Dr_Tweak]

in some parts of Montana there are NO speed limits...so a 200mph(if possiable) would be completely legal

Not anymore, unfortunately. Was changed a few years back.

[playr158]

photo or it didnt happen! lol jk

ive been around, trust me. ive just never noticed anything over 65.

i stand corrected. ty

lol you've been around what the neighborhood block?

come on Mig don't be so narrow and use some of your own advice
SEARCH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_...e_United_States

This post has been edited by playr158: Jan 6, 2009 - 2:30 PM

[devilsden97]

2 things.

1) the "i stand correct" appology/whatever covers my less then amazing speed limit statments.
2) we all know wikipedia is the end all be all for answers....didnt some huge corperation spam it with fake info to sound better? IIRC walmart or MCD or something like that. Im not sayin in this instance wiki is wrong, i just really dont turn to it for answers.


edit: if u wanna correct me about the wiki info spam, i bet u could wiki the answer too...

This post has been edited by devilsden97: Jan 6, 2009 - 2:45 PM

[Dr_Tweak]

Uh oh. IBTL.

This post has been edited by Dr_Tweak: Jan 6, 2009 - 11:48 PM

[easternpiro1]

^ lol@ doc. hmmm mabye a good time to use my lavar burton IBTL pic?

anywho, ive got a vid on here of me doin somethin stupid, in retrospect i got scared, but eh, what the hell, i like you guys so much, i'll take a L FOR YA! LOL

btw... anybody know where my speedo vid is? cant find it.

and in all seriousness, i would LOVE for there to be vids for that, but i wouldnt suggest any speeding vids at all... we are a targeted breed, us import drivers...

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jan 7, 2009 - 1:22 AM