The time has come.... WRC 3sgte swap!!!, Update 10/05 pg2 Options

[joehernandez]

Well this is the second greatest mod i have done to my car...
my first progress thread is here
My progress Thread

i wanted to do this swap last year but problems came and i had just not enough money to afford a 3sgte.
but thanks to Jim i got a WRC 3sgte...
by the way thanks a lot jim for everything!
the engine arrived a month ago, but i havent had much time to work on it, and since i dont have an engine stand
it is harder to work on it..

i might only update the thread once or twice a week, but slowly i will get there.

To start, i will do the swap myself with help of some friends, i will not let a mechanic do the job since i dont think it is
really hard to do a swap. It will be frustrating at some points but not impossible. Also i want to know what will be under the hood
and learn from mistakes.
I am not an expert, in fact i do not have much mechanical experience but i know i can do it. so forgive me because i might ask
stupid things now and then but i am here to learn. and with the help of this community i know we can pull it off.

So please guys help me with advices or questions i might have.

the set up=
WRC 3sgte with LSD E-153

ok here are 2 pics of the engine the day it arrived, i should of taken more but forgot to,




ok its late and need to sleep, will update the thread tomorrow.

This post has been edited by joehernandez: Oct 5, 2010 - 5:33 PM

[Keiri]

Congratulations on the WRC 3S Joe!

It's encouraging to watch members do this themselves. I wish you the best of luck and can't wait to see the finished project.

[schmooot]

a whole front clip would have been a much better buy....but you've got the heart of the beast now.

Have you sourced out your other stuff yet? (wiring harness, ecu, etc)

[_Jim_]

^^^ There is no need, he bought the engine set from me and all my engine sets come with everything needed needed to install into your Celica. I even include mounts for the ST guys.

[joehernandez]

a whole front clip would have been a much better buy....but you've got the heart of the beast now.

Have you sourced out your other stuff yet? (wiring harness, ecu, etc)

the engine set came from jim, it does have everything needed, at first i wanted a clip but since jim had it with everything needed i went for it.
i only have to buy the axels from the all trac,, some gaskets, i already have everything needed for the auto to manual swap,, and i
would probably buy a clutch, that pretty much is all needed.

^^^ There is no need, he bought the engine set from me and all my engine sets come with everything needed needed to install into your Celica. I even include mounts for the ST guys.

heard that right guys, everything is included!!

[joehernandez]

ok guys small update,
here is how the engine sits as of right now, i removed throttle body, intercooler, valve cover, and lots of misc pieces...


the intercooler is in perfect condition, only the toyota sticker is a little scratched but i will get a new one.


and i sourced thanks to malpaso a brand new walbro fuel pump


next i will paint some of the engine parts like the valve cover, and the heat shield.
anyone has a good idea of what would be best to clean those parts without leaving any grease on them before painting them?
like sanding it down or pressure wash...
i found this and i will try it to see how it goes
Lagos valve cover

[block]

Damn, everyones swapping! Did you get a clip?

[joehernandez]

Damn, everyones swapping! Did you get a clip?

nope i didnt got a clip, rpm garage was selling a really complete clip but it was not a n wrc and
to tell the truth that clip would of cost me an arm an leg to get it here.
i decided to go with jim, he sold me the engine set with EVERYTHING needed. i only needed to source some obvious stuff like axels and gaskets
that was pretty much all.

[Malek]

Glad to know you are in the beginning stages. I will be in that position here soon. (I'm in the process of buying a set from Jim as well)
I will be referring to this thread many times throughout my build.

As for cleaning. I've always liked the GUNK foam engine cleaner for the first off clean. Afterwards I used brake parts cleaner and scotch pads. I've never painted on that so you may want to wait for the guys who have painted..

Goodluck with the swap!

Edit: Did you buy the fuel pump from Malpaso?

This post has been edited by Malek: Jul 13, 2010 - 4:19 PM

[Smaay]

that walboro is a 341, im not sure it will work in the 6th gen, i know in Eryns car i put a 342 in it. you see how the inlet and outlet are on opposite sides of the pump. you want them to be on the same side. thats why you should get a 342

[block]

Damn, everyones swapping! Did you get a clip?

nope i didnt got a clip, rpm garage was selling a really complete clip but it was not a n wrc and
to tell the truth that clip would of cost me an arm an leg to get it here.
i decided to go with jim, he sold me the engine set with EVERYTHING needed. i only needed to source some obvious stuff like axels and gaskets
that was pretty much all.

hehe dude sorry. my phone was behind and didnt upload the first responses lol. im hoping to get a clip from JIM next spring. good luck on your swap and ill be watching

[RUNNIN-LOW]

congratz welcome to the gen3 club!

[joehernandez]

The GSS-342 fuel pump and 400-765 install kit are the correct Walbro part numbers for our cars that are swapped or turboed.

I bought the GSS-341 since that's what I found to be recommended during a search here, but it's inlet and outlet are reversed compared to our stock pump...

Our stock pump looks almost identical to the pump on the left. The Walbro pumps in that picture are identical except that the one on the right has the inlets and outlets offset for use in the MR2 Turbo and Supra TT. That is the only difference between the 341 and 342, they are both 255lph Hi Pressure pumps.

I got the GSS-341 to work but it doesn't sit in the pump bracket correctly. A zip tie was added for peace of mind.

Also, on the stock fuel pump plug, the blue wire is the positive 12v source. It is to be spliced into the red wire on the Walbro plug. Obviously, the two remaining black wires will be spliced together.

If anyone has any advice on how to install the filter retaining clip let me know. I finaly got it to go on but it sure seemed like it was more trouble than it should have been.

that walboro is a 341, im not sure it will work in the 6th gen, i know in Eryns car i put a 342 in it. you see how the inlet and outlet are on opposite sides of the pump. you want them to be on the same side. thats why you should get a 342

i did a little of research and it does, it only needs a zip tie. or something to hold it in place

[Bigblock]

Hey Joe,
That's bitchin'!!!
Good luck!!!

[MacgibaS2]

great addition to the car man.. you must be very excited! looks and speed!!

[SlvrCelica09]

good luck to you!!!!

[SlvrCelica09]

that set looks just like mine

you will most likely have to do more wiring then people with a clip(Manny's swap for ex.) as intercooler relay/fuse box will be missing. Maybe you lucked out tho and its there. its right next to intake. Looks like this:



if not, Batman provided me with this when I was doing my swap and it helped out alot:





good luck again dude! hope it all works out

[joehernandez]

Hey Joe,
That's bitchin'!!!
Good luck!!!

thanks a looot! still a noob though lol

great addition to the car man.. you must be very excited! looks and speed!!

i am however i am kind of stressed that i dont have time to work on the engine
and since i dont have another car is more frustrating but really excited

you will most likely have to do more wiring then people with a clip(Manny's swap for ex.) as intercooler relay/fuse box will be missing. Maybe you lucked out tho and its there. its right next to intake. Looks like this:



if not, Batman provided me with this when I was doing my swap and it helped out alot:





good luck again dude! hope it all works out

yeah mine didn't come with that fuse box, will ask jim if he has any spare one,
as of right now i havent really looked at diagrams so i dont have a clear picture how to read them
but once i get into that i will learn how to read those
thanks a lot !!!!!!!
you did your wiring?
what other stuff needs to be re-wired?
i know i will not extend my wiring, i will just cut a hole in the fire wall.

[Smaay]

what im worried about is the stock hanger is set up for the sock to sit in this position. with a 341 it will be all wrong. you would have to cut off the base of the hanger and then put a clamp around it to hold it. why dont you just sell that 341 and buy the right pump?

[SlvrCelica09]

yeah mine didn't come with that fuse box, will ask jim if he has any spare one,
as of right now i havent really looked at diagrams so i dont have a clear picture how to read them
but once i get into that i will learn how to read those
thanks a lot !!!!!!!
you did your wiring?
what other stuff needs to be re-wired?
i know i will not extend my wiring, i will just cut a hole in the fire wall.

yea I did mine, besides that fuse box wiring, you just need to do the clutch start sequence, add wire's to the body panel and engine bay fuse panel. Check out manny's swap.. its awesome dude.. everything you need to know besides the fuse box you don't have. Just study those diagrams and you should be solid dude.

[joehernandez]

what im worried about is the stock hanger is set up for the sock to sit in this position. with a 341 it will be all wrong. you would have to cut off the base of the hanger and then put a clamp around it to hold it. why dont you just sell that 341 and buy the right pump?

could you point out where exactly i will have to cut off?
thinking about it, i might sell the pump and get the correct one

[Malek]

Just as a reference, about how much space does the engine and all of it's components take up? 4x4 ft? You just have a hoist and not a stand right?

Thanks

[WannabeGT4]

what im worried about is the stock hanger is set up for the sock to sit in this position. with a 341 it will be all wrong. you would have to cut off the base of the hanger and then put a clamp around it to hold it. why dont you just sell that 341 and buy the right pump?

could you point out where exactly i will have to cut off?
thinking about it, i might sell the pump and get the correct one

Don't cut anything. It will fit in at an angle just need a zip tie or two to hold it in place. This is how mine has been for years.

[joehernandez]

Just as a reference, about how much space does the engine and all of it's components take up? 4x4 ft? You just have a hoist and not a stand right?

Thanks

in space yeah pretty much that space. i dont have a hoist, my friend will borrow me his hoist, for the engine stand i will be getting one either sat or sun,
its actually 5x4 because of the tranny....

what im worried about is the stock hanger is set up for the sock to sit in this position. with a 341 it will be all wrong. you would have to cut off the base of the hanger and then put a clamp around it to hold it. why dont you just sell that 341 and buy the right pump?

could you point out where exactly i will have to cut off?
thinking about it, i might sell the pump and get the correct one

Don't cut anything. It will fit in at an angle just need a zip tie or two to hold it in place. This is how mine has been for years.

great! now i wont have to get rid of mi pump!

[presure2]

yup, i've had the 341 in my car 5 years without an issue.

lookin good man, take your time, and research research research!

[malpaso]

great! now i wont have to get rid of mi pump!

Of course... I had this pump for 3SGTE project. That means it is right pump for 6gen celi and it will work (everyone around I know using this pump) .

[SlvrCelica09]

is the 341 pump the st205 stock fuel pump? or something else?

[presure2]

It's the walbro eveyone has used in the past, before someone figured out the 342 actually fit better in our application.

[joehernandez]

^^^^^^^^^^ heard that right man!

guys update coming in a few hours

[joehernandez]

Ok i havent had much time but with patience i have accomplished this

Painted some engine parts, still need to paint more but they had no more paint at the autozone near me


Ok i used the break parts cleaner since it kind of destroys the oil that was covering the parts,
be careful thought not to apply it on plastic parts such as gaskets. Some Metallic Silver Blue paint and
some clear to give it a shine finish, both of them High Tem Resistant


Valve cover done, it needs another layer of clear


Heat shield, fixed some dents it had and polished it and it came out awesome.




some parts still on the way, if you guys want me to do a How-to on the paint, this is the time since on Thursday i will be painting the rest of the stuff

enjoy

[joehernandez]

ok guys i havent been active on the forum lately and i have abandoned the engine on my garage but,,,,,,,,

everything is thanks to this


since it was salvage all the money and time has been spent on the jeep now, i am just waiting to get it on the road
hopefully in one or 2 weeks and after that the real swap will begin again!!
so excited still!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DEATH]

About damn time Joe!!!
Welcome to club 3S brotha!
BTW - I have a mint condition sticker for the IC if you need it.
I too, have the 341 pump for years - you'll be fine.
Good luck and be sure to feel free to hit me up if you need any help.

PS - I still want your damn rims

This post has been edited by DEATH: Oct 5, 2010 - 7:18 PM

[joehernandez]

can any of the moderators move this thread to the "my project" section