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post Aug 18, 2005 - 9:18 AM
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In Europe we also have celica's with Superstrut Suspension.
Thats wy i'm sharing this information!


The ST205 GT-Four uses a system of front suspension design unique to Toyota. It moves away from the MacPherson strut used on all other Celicas and is much more complex. This system is used on the GT-Four, some Japanese spec Corollas and the higher spec Japanese fwd Celicas (SSII and SSIII). It was available in Europe on the Carina GTi and was an option on the ST202 (thanks Dirk for the info).

My understanding of the system is that the geometry does not give the same camber and castor changes during cornering that occur with MacPherson strut. Is it better? Well, it is different. There are reliability problems if maintenance isn't kept up, TTE had continual problems and I believe they swapped the rally cars back to MacPherson strut.

A brief description of MacPherson strut is in order. The Toyota system uses a lower A arm with rubber bushings front and rear. This has only one degree of motion (ie. it rotates on the bushings). At the outer point of the A arm is a balljoint which connects to the steering knuckle and allows for rotation (steering) and pivot (shock compression). The steering knuckle is rigidly bolted to the bottom of the strut. The whole strut turns when steering, twisting in the roller bearing in the top mount. Fairly simple and cheap, used by most manufacturers.

So what is Superstrut suspension? It is a hybrid between normal MacPherson strut and a multilink setup. One of the requirements of the design brief was that the system would fit existing suspension mount locations. Therefore the system can be fitted into export Celicas as well as the Japanese lower spec SSI! The late production cars even share the same subframe.

The photo below shows the lower part of the system. This consists of a front and rear lower arm, connected (by rodends) to a connector plate. The rear arm has a rubber bushing at the inner end (the only rubber bushing at the front except swaybar D-bushings), the front arm has a balljoint. This system allows the arms to pivot as the suspension turns.

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The steering knuckle is quite different to that of the MacPherson strut cars. It bolts securely to the connector plate joining the lower arms (see photo below). The top end connects to the strut part way up using a balljoint (see red arrow in left picture and upper arrow in right picture below. The strut mounts to the body in the normal way, but the lower end is secured to the front lower arm using another pivoting arm visible at the right in the photo above. This arm is near vertical in the photos, it is actually about 150mm long and pivots at each end.

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The photo of the assembled suspension below shows that the strut rotates minimally when steering ( the same amount as the front lower arm as it is rigidly connected). The steering knuckle moves instead. While the outboard strut moves rearwards slightly when the car turns in (turning left in the photo), it can be seen that the hub moves forward. But because of the strut movement the actual movement at the wheel is minimised.

The second photo shows the mounting points for the lower arms on the subframe.

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All the info from: gtfour.supras.org.nz
post Aug 18, 2005 - 10:02 AM
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post Aug 18, 2005 - 12:42 PM
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post Dec 29, 2006 - 3:49 AM
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Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything...


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post Dec 29, 2006 - 8:55 AM
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If you have 2piston Calipers in the front. Its SS Supension.

Other then that, look under the car. If your strut is shaped like this
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Then you have SS



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post Dec 29, 2006 - 9:14 AM
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Is it impossible to change superstrut to MacPherson strut (normal one)? Or if its possible how much would it cost? I just cant get a tein adjustable kit because of the superstrut model costs 2300euros and i think its way too much considering that same kit without superstrut is something like 1200euros.


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post Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM
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QUOTE(G3D45 @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1:49 AM) [snapback]513801[/snapback]

Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything...


Gedai - susuk vaira ir viska tu ten pamatysi biggrin.gif O jei Superstrutas stovi - ant galiinio lango apacios eina lipdukas SuperStrut.

Sorry guys for our language biggrin.gif But ussualy when superstrut is suplied on the GT the sticker on the rear glass is placed telling this. BTW - not too many GT in 94 came with the SS.



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post Dec 29, 2006 - 9:18 AM
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 9:15 AM) [snapback]513831[/snapback]

Gedai - susuk vaira ir viska tu ten pamatysi biggrin.gif O jei Superstrutas stovi - ant galiinio lango apacios eina lipdukas SuperStrut.

Sorry guys for our language biggrin.gif But ussualy when superstrut is suplied on the GT the sticker on the rear glass is placed telling this. BTW - not too many GT in 94 came with the SS.

Atleast ive got one of those 94's with SS. And it sucks BIG time! frown.gif


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QUOTE(Nibbe @ Dec 29, 2006 - 7:14 AM) [snapback]513830[/snapback]

Is it impossible to change superstrut to MacPherson strut (normal one)? Or if its possible how much would it cost? I just cant get a tein adjustable kit because of the superstrut model costs 2300euros and i think its way too much considering that same kit without superstrut is something like 1200euros.


You will need to change Steering Gear, And whole suspension including lower arm from Mac, Struts, steering knuckle, basicly everything, including Brakes. Im pretty sure what lower subframe is the same as on the normal MAc equiped cars. Im planing to change my suspension to MAc pretty soon, cuz im tired of the SS problems already, and i only done like 200 miles with my SSIII....




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post Dec 30, 2006 - 6:30 AM
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I compared mine suspension with this one and I don't see any differences. So I guess I'm SS and all the coming problems owner rolleyes.gif


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post Dec 30, 2006 - 8:25 AM
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QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 29, 2006 - 3:15 PM) [snapback]513831[/snapback]

QUOTE(G3D45 @ Dec 29, 2006 - 1:49 AM) [snapback]513801[/snapback]

Great write-up, but how to determine, is my ST202 with SSS or not... I'm not a mechanic (prob. LOL), but I wish to know. VIN doesn't tell anything...


Gedai - susuk vaira ir viska tu ten pamatysi biggrin.gif O jei Superstrutas stovi - ant galiinio lango apacios eina lipdukas SuperStrut.

Sorry guys for our language biggrin.gif But ussualy when superstrut is suplied on the GT the sticker on the rear glass is placed telling this. BTW - not too many GT in 94 came with the SS.


yea... biggrin.gif

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post Dec 30, 2006 - 11:27 AM
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I don't have such stick smile.gif Maybe it was only on the facelifted versions.


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post Dec 30, 2006 - 1:19 PM
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yea... biggrin.gif

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Martin - we all know what you cheated biggrin.gif intresting... from what year does ST came with the SS suspension and SSIII stickers on spoiler biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif


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post Jan 1, 2007 - 11:30 AM
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Btw i dont really know much about that ssI II III thing. So if ive got 1994 gt with a ss suspension does it make my car one of those? You might be laughing for this question.


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post Jan 1, 2007 - 11:45 AM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Celica....281994-1999.29


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post Jan 1, 2007 - 12:34 PM
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QUOTE(Kadett @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:45 PM) [snapback]514381[/snapback]

There is almost no info about SSS Celicas in Europe...


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QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 10:34 AM) [snapback]514389[/snapback]

QUOTE(Kadett @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:45 PM) [snapback]514381[/snapback]

There is almost no info about SSS Celicas in Europe...


As long as i know and remeber (if i remeber corectly) i was reading somthere what SS in EU on GT's was availible as Special option witch you could chose when buying a celica from Dealers.




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post Jan 1, 2007 - 12:58 PM
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Yup,

Sportpackage or Sport Undercarriage its called here in Holland. Came standard with ABS too.


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QUOTE(doGGy @ Jan 1, 2007 - 7:43 PM) [snapback]514391[/snapback]

As long as i know and remeber (if i remeber corectly) i was reading somthere what SS in EU on GT's was availible as Special option witch you could chose when buying a celica from Dealers.

Rather interesting. I don't know any similar example in nowadays cars. Such important thing like suspension would be optional rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE(doGGy @ Dec 30, 2006 - 7:19 PM) [snapback]514055[/snapback]

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yea... biggrin.gif

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Martin - we all know what you cheated biggrin.gif intresting... from what year does ST came with the SS suspension and SSIII stickers on spoiler biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif


It's 96 Ultra Limited Malpaso's Edition biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

QUOTE(doGGy @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:43 PM) [snapback]514391[/snapback]

QUOTE(G3D45 @ Jan 1, 2007 - 10:34 AM) [snapback]514389[/snapback]

QUOTE(Kadett @ Jan 1, 2007 - 6:45 PM) [snapback]514381[/snapback]

There is almost no info about SSS Celicas in Europe...


As long as i know and remeber (if i remeber corectly) i was reading somthere what SS in EU on GT's was availible as Special option witch you could chose when buying a celica from Dealers.


SSS are in EPC for Europe so they must be available (or was available)


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