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Spartacus94
I'm about to have this done to my 94 ST! I ordered headers, a cherry bomb (glasspack style) resonator, and a high flow muffler canister style with a 4in tip (burnt) but I'm using a 2.5in piping mandrel bent from the headers back with no cat. I'm looking to have a nice deep throaty tone and be very loud!!! biggrin.gif:D I will post pics of the before and after and maybe a video if it sounds decent on camera.
CelicaST96
QUOTE (trdproven @ May 17, 2011 - 9:34 AM) *
i have heard even material of the header makes a difference, cheap stainless steel won't sound as good as DC headers for example. I think he meant to add a cat later, although the cats main purpose is for emissions, it does assist with the overall sound of the exhaust.


Okay so my question to you... if it were you, would you get a header and if so what brand? I've heard of DC but do they make headers for the 7A-FE. And can you add a cat. to a custom exhaust, I mean you can but how does it work?

QUOTE (Spartacus94 @ May 17, 2011 - 12:23 PM) *
I'm about to have this done to my 94 ST! I ordered headers, a cherry bomb (glasspack style) resonator, and a high flow muffler canister style with a 4in tip (burnt) but I'm using a 2.5in piping mandrel bent from the headers back with no cat. I'm looking to have a nice deep throaty tone and be very loud!!! biggrin.gif:D I will post pics of the before and after and maybe a video if it sounds decent on camera.



What header did you get? And yes I'm doing 2.5 inch piping as well. You sound excited like me! This will be my first engine mod!
BonzaiCelica
mehh 2.5 inch exhaust on an st I don't know about that you might be losing power???
senick
^ Yeah, let us know if the performance changes at all. 2.5 on a normally aspirated engine might be too big.
CelicaST96
QUOTE (senick @ May 18, 2011 - 9:10 AM) *
^ Yeah, let us know if the performance changes at all. 2.5 on a normally aspirated engine might be too big.


What would happen if you put 2.5 on? Would it really lose power?
sincerelyseb
QUOTE (CelicaST96 @ May 18, 2011 - 1:53 PM) *
QUOTE (senick @ May 18, 2011 - 9:10 AM) *
^ Yeah, let us know if the performance changes at all. 2.5 on a normally aspirated engine might be too big.


What would happen if you put 2.5 on? Would it really lose power?



does it matter?
its a st
CELL_PROTOTYPE_X
Are you trying to gain more power by re-working your exhaust system and getting a header, or are you just looking for more sound? I would be careful opening up the exhaust too much on an st or any n/a motor for that matter because you will lose lower end power and torque kindasad.gif Getting an aftermarket header also will eliminate the factory catalytic convertor which could cause issues passing emissions tests and having local exhaust shops touch your car because it's technically illegal to remove the cat from it's factory location. I have a 94 st that I put a header on and greddy exhaust back in high school and didn't really see any noticeable gains. Car sounds good though smile.gif
BonzaiCelica
yes you will lose power down low the st only outputs a weak 115hp with a full exhaust and intake. Most Japanese Exhausts (for the ST202 with 177hp and ST202 SS-III with 197hp naturally aspirated engines) come in 60.5mm exhaust piping. Anything bigger than that and you would lose some torque and gain top end

I've read that some Integra Type R guys have used 2.5 inch catalytic back exhaust systems with good results, I have not seen any dyno videos of this so you'll have to do your own research.
trdproven
QUOTE (CelicaST96 @ May 18, 2011 - 11:28 AM) *
QUOTE (trdproven @ May 17, 2011 - 9:34 AM) *
i have heard even material of the header makes a difference, cheap stainless steel won't sound as good as DC headers for example. I think he meant to add a cat later, although the cats main purpose is for emissions, it does assist with the overall sound of the exhaust.


Okay so my question to you... if it were you, would you get a header and if so what brand? I've heard of DC but do they make headers for the 7A-FE. And can you add a cat. to a custom exhaust, I mean you can but how does it work?

QUOTE (Spartacus94 @ May 17, 2011 - 12:23 PM) *
I'm about to have this done to my 94 ST! I ordered headers, a cherry bomb (glasspack style) resonator, and a high flow muffler canister style with a 4in tip (burnt) but I'm using a 2.5in piping mandrel bent from the headers back with no cat. I'm looking to have a nice deep throaty tone and be very loud!!! biggrin.gif:D I will post pics of the before and after and maybe a video if it sounds decent on camera.



What header did you get? And yes I'm doing 2.5 inch piping as well. You sound excited like me! This will be my first engine mod!


the problem is the 5sfe and 7afe only have ebay brands, i know there are some other branded ones long ago, but they seem to be lost in space now. its one of those, we gots no choice.

QUOTE (CelicaST96 @ May 19, 2011 - 3:53 AM) *
QUOTE (senick @ May 18, 2011 - 9:10 AM) *
^ Yeah, let us know if the performance changes at all. 2.5 on a normally aspirated engine might be too big.


What would happen if you put 2.5 on? Would it really lose power?


i would stick with a 2.25, that 7afe just don't put out enough, in fact a 2.5" on a 5sfe is a little too big, switches the power too far to the right instead of improving midrange. if you got like cams on a 5sfe or a decent built one it would be good though.

QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ May 19, 2011 - 10:39 AM) *
yes you will lose power down low the st only outputs a weak 115hp with a full exhaust and intake. Most Japanese Exhausts (for the ST202 with 177hp and ST202 SS-III with 197hp naturally aspirated engines) come in 60.5mm exhaust piping. Anything bigger than that and you would gain torque and lose top end or is it vice versa??

I've read that some Integra Type R guys have used 2.5 inch catalytic back exhaust systems with good results, I have not seen any dyno videos of this so you'll have to do your own research.


its alright on a type r cus they push out decent power without having to lose torque as much as a 7afe would down low, which the 7afe is already low torque.
Rusty
Merged with the other custom exhaust thread. why have 2?
delusionz
Wow an old thread, just going back on a bit of history, at the time I thought 3S-GE were equipped with 2.5 inch they are actually 2 inch I don't know why I thought 2.5. Even my GT4 originally had 2" after the cat and thru the flexi, and then onto a 3" aftermarket system.

I have 3" from the back of my turbo to the tail pipe now with just 2 resonators and a canister in the rear, no cats or bull**** small pipes.
cyprus_gt
So i got JDM st202 with 3SGE (ss2)...original have 2 inch pipes....
....so i change to HKS manifold and HKS downpipe (wrap them both) plus Magnaflow high flow cat. magnaflow resonator and Magnaflow street version Mufler - all pipes are on 2,25 inch
Results:
minuses: the car i is to loud and my low and middle torque just dissapear frown.gif
pluses: car goes better on high RPM!
so for me i spend so much money for little more power on high RPM but the middle torque miss me so much!!!
I don't recomend bigger pipes to car with less power than 200hp....

cheers

Dimitri

p.s.
thinking to change my backbox mufler with Apexi SW2 (wich is bigger than magnaflow one) and the resonator after the cat with 1140 Vibrant Performance Ultra Quiet Resonator so i can get back some of my backpresure....and low and middle torque.....
trdproven
^ its true its the pros and cons of the exhaust setup. if you like torque don't upgrade if you like performance on the top end, then upgrade. You win races more with the powerband moved to the right, but it still needs to be balanced with some torque. Straightflow lets you stay longer in 3rd and 4th gear. I went back from 2.5 to 2.25 and now I have some midrange torque back.
BonzaiCelica
you need a engine swap badly trd proven jus sayin rolleyes.gif

on the other hand I got this information from the beams owners group :

3" = 275 to 425 HP
2.5" = 225 to 275 HP
2.375" (60mm) = 200 to 225 HP
2.25" = 175 to 200 HP
2" = 125 to 175 HP

These are just 'general' guidelines, routing/bends/mufflers/etc will all change how the system will actually work out. So 2.25" using nice mandrels and good flowing mufflers/cats/etc would be perfect for a stock motor, 2.375"/60mm very good and not so big that you would see much in the way of losses and would be great for lightly modified engines. 2.5" is good if you have plans to modify a little more heavily and/or are going to use it as a track car.


Exhaust sizing doesn't make horsepower. It keeps you from LOOSING horsepower due to restriction. Your looking for a balance that keeps the exhaust gasses/air FLOWING at an ideal speed (around 240-260 FPS IIRC).
Too small restricts it by choking flow off at high RPM.
Too large slows it down by having too much room for the exhaust gasses to expand, which creates a slow moving 'wall' of exhaust.
cyprus_gt
QUOTE (trdproven @ May 20, 2011 - 10:18 AM) *
^ its true its the pros and cons of the exhaust setup. if you like torque don't upgrade if you like performance on the top end, then upgrade. You win races more with the powerband moved to the right, but it still needs to be balanced with some torque. Straightflow lets you stay longer in 3rd and 4th gear. I went back from 2.5 to 2.25 and now I have some midrange torque back.



....so just order the Apexi SW2 muffler and Vibrant Performance Ultra Quiet Resonator ...the problem is that now all my pipes are in 2.25 inches and this 2 part are only available at 2.375 inches so i hope to be ok but is a very small difference rolleyes.gif i hope to eliminate the noise from the backbox and got back some torque at the middle range...will see confused.gif

cheers

btw:
the car have ICON superchip box wich reprograming the ignition and K&N air filter plus aftermarket sparks and sparkplugs....so for this 17 years old car she goes soooo nice biggrin.gif just need to make good balance with the exhaust modifications!
when i put the new parts will let you know - i hope i didnt spend my money for nothing kindasad.gif
NYp8tBaller07
how would you think a 2" inlet and a 3" outlet with silencer work on a stock (I think) st exhaust. Mind you I'm not looking for power just looks but my main issue is the loudness, I don't want the car to be loud while driving at 70mph (3,000 rpm) as this would drive me nuts on the highway.

I'm looking at something like this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/New-2-Inlet...sQ5fAccessories
trdproven
QUOTE (cyprus_gt @ May 20, 2011 - 11:40 PM) *
QUOTE (trdproven @ May 20, 2011 - 10:18 AM) *
^ its true its the pros and cons of the exhaust setup. if you like torque don't upgrade if you like performance on the top end, then upgrade. You win races more with the powerband moved to the right, but it still needs to be balanced with some torque. Straightflow lets you stay longer in 3rd and 4th gear. I went back from 2.5 to 2.25 and now I have some midrange torque back.



....so just order the Apexi SW2 muffler and Vibrant Performance Ultra Quiet Resonator ...the problem is that now all my pipes are in 2.25 inches and this 2 part are only available at 2.375 inches so i hope to be ok but is a very small difference rolleyes.gif i hope to eliminate the noise from the backbox and got back some torque at the middle range...will see confused.gif

cheers

btw:
the car have ICON superchip box wich reprograming the ignition and K&N air filter plus aftermarket sparks and sparkplugs....so for this 17 years old car she goes soooo nice biggrin.gif just need to make good balance with the exhaust modifications!
when i put the new parts will let you know - i hope i didnt spend my money for nothing kindasad.gif


that is a good set up mind you like the oval styled canister. the tanabe would be a good choice too since ive heard them and they are pretty quiet. but yea, just get the ultra quiet resonator the oval style and the longest you can find to keep the noise down. If you are running catless or doublecatless if cali model, you can always double up on the resonator later. but your original set up is ideal and will be deep but running catless makes the change. but whatever sound you want you can get, it can be adjusted for sound, with resonators. its the deepness you can't adjust, thats the muffler.

you have no worries about the pipe sizes being different, you can even go from 2.25 and switch up to 2.5. so 2.3 is a smaller change from 2.25.
BonzaiCelica
not my video but thought I'd share how the Apexi N1 exhaust sounds, in which you can sometimes find used on nengun auctions...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJbGECW4XpQ

I'm putting up thees links of hks exhausts since Rusty is too much of a wuss to do an exhaust clip of him revving his engine or a flyby.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLazdOWcjqY HKS REVING

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4wjE1NOFok Celica ST202 on dyno with full stainless Steel exhaust System.
808celica
Gone with the Apexi N1, in with the new

BonzaiCelica
So you had an universal 60mm apexi n1 muffler and you had a exhaust shop makd u a custom over the axle steel piping exhaust? Im talking to 808celica
808celica
yup, now its just straight pipe
cyprus_gt
My JDM celica wtih 3SGE SSII engine have final exhaust setup:

Wraped HKS manifold with HKS downpipe (second hand from Japan):




Magnaflow Heavy metal high flow catalyctic series 9900:




Vibrant utra quiet resonator:




and at the end Apexi WS2 muffler:




All pipes are on 2,25" (only the muffler is on 2,37")
Tomorow will test the car and will let you know for the result!

cheers


p.s.
my last setup was:
the same HKS manifold and downpipe + diff. model (small one) high flow Magnaflow catalyctic + no name resonator (local one) + magnaflow street Muffler (all at 2,25")!
minuses : i thing becouse of the catalyctic and the muffler the noise is to loud and the low to middle torque has gone!
pluses: the car goes crazy after 4600 RPM :-) good sound when you drive slowly (sound like V6)
so that why i make new configuration - to reduce the voice from the exhaust ang get back some of the middle torque with the new toys smile.gif will see tomorrow smile.gif

Dimitar
cyprus_gt
^ok... just make e 100 miles test and i can say is only ...WOW.... now the car have very nice little deep tone and i can drive it on the highway without make so much noise!the performance is still excellent - didn't notice any change!
I am more than happy!A big Thanks to "trdprooven" to give me ideia what i need thumbsup.gif
The car now have more noise from the stock one but you can enjoy it driving slow or fast!!!Only some to deep sound it's show up after 150 km/h on the highway on full throttle but its coming from the manifold and the catalyctic wich is normal - the flow is high...
thats from me

CHEERS

Dimitar

p.s.
also look niceeee biggrin.gif

smoog83
make some vid cyprus wink.gif
what i like is first vid with APEXI N1 showed by Bonzai ,nice sound .I also like this guy exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc6rtAZspmo
cyprus_gt
QUOTE (smoog83 @ Jun 11, 2011 - 11:40 AM) *
make some vid cyprus wink.gif
what i like is first vid with APEXI N1 showed by Bonzai ,nice sound .I also like this guy exhaust
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mc6rtAZspmo


I have one video but i make it with my cell phone so the sound is not so REAL ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz_6OZm3Yx8

the real sound have more deep tone...when i get some pro camera will make clip again

cheers

BonzaiCelica
hey man wow im pretty suprised it sound good smile.gif even without the good video camera. The exhaust is a good looking one as well. Are you using over the axle mandrel bent piping?? Stainless steel or steel material??
smoog83
i like it too smile.gif i think i like apexi sound tone more than hks
trdproven
Damn cyprus, that sounds mean as hell, great job, glad you liked the setup. and the parts look real nice. and you're right the sound is usually better in person. I've compared many combinations of different engines, piping, muffler, resonator, so I know what sounds good. Other people just like to get whatever and put it on. In fact, someone else prolly would have gotten the bottle style resonator instead of the ultraquiet one.

But Bonzai to answer your comment about me needing an engine swap been thinking about it for a very long time or doing a turbo on my 5s, but right now I am working on my 7th gen Celica, i just threw in 6 grand into it so far cash, and I am working on my offroad tacoma. I have too many hobbies, can't afford everything. I am buying a house very soon and just cashed out my wedding earlier this year. I plan to get me a Supra next year if all goes well and thats where my performance efforts will be placed or a similar toyota with rwd potential. I've had 3 generations of celicas and I used to have 2 fliplight supras but since I really wanted the last gen Supra since I was a kid, i am trying to save money for it for next year. I bet everyone here has wondered why I never did a swap. because I decided to get a RWD, which has always been my ultimate goal. I'm also going to get a IS250 or 350 early next year as well. I have money already put aside for that, i need a 4 door car badly.
808celica
smoog83
show us the sound of it 808 wink.gif plzzz
mkernz22
That sounds sooooo nice cyprus_gt!! I love it and I want mine to sound like that haha
I'm pretty much new to the whole exhaust area, but I recently picked up and ebay header for the 5s and I have a brand new flex pipe with a cat-delete already on it. Now my question is what would be the best setup to make it purr at idle, but roar at high rpm's like cyprus_gt's? I have almost brand new flanges in the rear where the stock piping goes over axle, but at the same time I just want to get new piping altogether in the rear. I know if I get a can, it will be loud no matter what because it doesn't muffle the noise like a muffler does, but if I go under axle, could I still get a muffler that sits even and not crooked? If someone could help me out, I'd really appreciate it!
BonzaiCelica
yo cyprus_gt is that exhaust mandrel bent and is your exhaust piping stainless steel?? good sound so far. Make some videos of you cruising down the street and then you at the top of 3rd gear flying by! please
cyprus_gt
QUOTE (808celica @ Jun 6, 2011 - 11:24 AM) *
yup, now its just straight pipe


Should be very loud?!
What about the performance? becouse if you lose your back pressure from the catback you lose all of the low and middle torque...

Cheers

to BonzaiCelica - my pipes are with the normal material like most exhaust shops they provide.
Also they make this exhaust mandrel bent and it's look fine smile.gif not perfect shape but still excellent!
About the cruizing in the city - WOW the sound is soooo nice - no loud BRRRRR just pure voice from the back like V6 or V8 !it will be different on 7300 rpm with 135 mph biggrin.gif will try to make one video but need to be alone becouse my wife make me trouble and start screaming laugh.gif
stephen_lee
i took the exhaust off my es300 donor car, cut the muffler and resonator off and bought a 2.25" fence post (10ft for 12$) and put that together under my car smile.gif deleted my 2nd cat, kept a resonator, and the bigger dual outlet muffler. welded it all up and i have the same volume as before (quiet but noticeable) and an obvious increase in peppiness.
BonzaiCelica
cyprus take a friend who's also into car's like yourself and have him record the video from the outside.
celica-s
Does anybody tried putting on a Twin Loop Muffler?

Also i'm wondering how i can do a Y connection and put on two tail pipes one on each side?

TIA
presure2
Heres another b-pipe I'm working on for cam's(ted95) 3rd gen swap
This one is 304 stainless, 3" piping, with an electric cutout, like Dustin (batman722) has.
Tig welded with 308l filler rod (309l where it mates to the non stainless cutout) all the pipes were coated in the weld areas with solar flux on the inside, so the welds will not rust.





I ran out of argon, so ill finish it up tommorow.
Not the prettiest welding in the world, but it wont crack or leak, and it's definitely better than my mig welding jobs!!
NYp8tBaller07
thats much better than my crappy mig welding by far =p
stephen_lee
mine too lol
808celica
Alright got my vid up'd on youtube

Sticking out a little too far?? Naaaahhhh biggrin.gif


Truck Tip Celica
Tigawoods
had to watch it a second time haha
808celica
QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Jul 13, 2011 - 4:46 PM) *
had to watch it a second time haha


lol next up will be boso pipes
BonzaiCelica
watched it but not sure what to think of it. A few weeks ago I saw an 2009 subaru with straight dual pipes, it sounded crazy loud. Get this thing on the road so we can hear it roar!
Neon90424
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKYdqKrgLxA

ebay exhaust and raceland 3" electronic cutout


No cats no pre silencer
808celica
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Jul 14, 2011 - 7:40 AM) *
watched it but not sure what to think of it. A few weeks ago I saw an 2009 subaru with straight dual pipes, it sounded crazy loud. Get this thing on the road so we can hear it roar!


laugh.gif laugh.gif easier said than done my friend, the car is soooo HF that it rolled and pulled the front fenders
Tigawoods
obx headers, stock cat, Vibrant Ultra Quiet resonator and straight pipes from there on out

http://youtu.be/fvsw5aJpwH0

http://youtu.be/dxiun85DKCE
SwissFerdi
Ha, I'm first view on the drive-by video! Sounds super sexy.
BonzaiCelica
for those looking to go with a custom exhaust set up. Here are brand name/well known mufflers in canister form :

• HKS Hi Power, 60mm inlet, 96mm Tip Diameter, 130mm Shell Diameter (#3203EX023)
• Apexi N1 Muffler, 60mm inlet, 90mm Tip Diameter, 120mm Shell Diameter (#156A008)
• Greddy Ti-C Muffler, 60mm inlet, 102mm Tip Diameter, 140mm Shell Diameter (#11001006)
BonzaiCelica
soo..... continuing this discussion from the beams/acis thread http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...61995&st=60 on page 4. I don't want to clutter that thread just yet

alright so building a custom exhaust system as the title says. Here is my current set up :



with custom made crappy y-pipe


The Y-Pipe design is harsh and doesn't allow the gradual/natural flow of the exhaust to slowly go into two pipes and then into one. My designed y-pipe is actually worse than the original oem y-pipe as shown below :



Ok so now we have four different exhaust header designs as follow. So which is the best???


Fujitsubo Header according to some members






Tom`s Header Wrapped





Pheonix Header (however unconfirmed yet)


If you take a look at this HKS and Fujitsubo exhausts you can see that they both have the same common design. Notice how the 2-1 gradually fades into one pipe. The Y-Pipe design continues after the primary 80 degree bend and then gradually into the 1 pipe.






By designing an header like so, you should see an additional 2-4 ft lbs torque and 5-8hp gain....

A Y-Pipe made by a member here of an MR2 Beams engine. the 2-1 section can be improved like the hks/fujitsubo design


Measurements of Stock Header and 3rd/4th Generation 3SGE B-pipe so you know the restrictions on it.

The welds are not quality and restricting flow as soon as it exits cylinder head





And what Smoothing out the Welds looks like (some members have had improved dyno results, even the 2zzge community)


Section on header towards bottom where it merges from 4-2

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What the 4-2 section looks like inside


Right after the Oxygen Sensor Bung, its quiet small compared to the exit of the b-pipe before the catalytic converter.


Length of Flex pipe


After flex pipe





Outer Diameter of B-pipe before catalytic converter

Inner Diameter of B-pipe exit
BonzaiCelica
QUOTE (Edophus @ Sep 27, 2010 - 7:02 PM) *
QUOTE (Rusty @ Sep 26, 2010 - 7:01 AM) *
can I ask what is wrong with the Factory extractors? Because your wanting to spend about US$850 for 1.1KW? The factory extractor type manifolds fitted the 3S-GE and BEAMS 3S-GE are very good. Toyota put some effort into the design and flow of these.

I think your better off putting your money towards your BEAMS engine.


rusty is right, there isnt a lot wrong with the stock extractors, the dimensions may be quite tight but they are fine for a near stock cam, the problem is and this is typical toyota the ingredients are right, the execution not so, the welds tend to be tack welds on the outside and welded on the inside, if you reweld the manifold so the welds are on the outside of the pipe, take a dremel and grind out the garbage on the inside of the pipe, so far i've found the manifolds to be really sloppy here, the design is fundementally fine, but the execution is poor. This isnt a power adder as such but will free up the engine at high revs, we found this on the beams and its also true of the newer 2zz engines where usually a ported stock manifold is better than the aftermarket ones.

To make it complicated biggrin.gif It is worth leaving a step though at the bottom of the manifold floor where the manifold meets the head, you dont want it exact you want the pipe to be slightly bigger at the floor so there is a step down leaving the head, this helps to break up reversion pulses and does no harm to the exhaust flow.


another thing I don't understand is the last paragraph edophus spoke of?????
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